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Originally Posted by jillianleab

I have my hubby trained to put the seat AND lid down; does this make him less of a man? Should I start a new thread so we can address this properly? :D

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LOL, I guess I'm trained, too... I let my wife think I'm being considerate but it was more to keep the dogs from drinking out of the toilet :D

Earth Liberation Front suspected in arson...

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Three seven-figure dream homes went up in flames early yesterday in a Seattle suburb, apparently set by eco-terrorists who left a sign mocking the builders' claims that the 4,000-plus-square-foot houses were environmentally friendly.

The sign - a sheet marked with spray paint - bore the initials ELF, for Earth Liberation Front, a loose collection of radical environmentalists that has claimed responsibility for dozens of attacks since the 1990s.

The sheriff's office estimated that yesterday's pre-dawn fires did $7 million damage to the "Street of Dreams," a row of unoccupied, furnished luxury model homes where tens of thousands of visitors last summer eyed the latest in high-end housing, interior design and landscaping. Three homes were destroyed and two suffered smoke damage.

Crews removed incendiary devices found in the homes, said Snohomish County Fire Chief Rick Eastman. But Kelvin Crenshaw, special agent in charge for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives in Seattle, said later that there was no evidence that such devices had been used.

The FBI was investigating the fires as a potential act of domestic terrorism, said FBI spokesman Rich Kolko in Washington, D.C.

No injuries were reported in the fires, which began before dawn in the wooded subdivision and were still smoldering at midmorning.

The sign left behind said in red scraggly letters, "Built Green? Nope black!" and "McMansions in RCDs r not green," a reference to rural cluster developments.

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Looks like the environmental wackos are extending their lead in domestic terrorism cases.

Saw that story yesterday. I'm still not clear on how burning fully-furnished buildings is good for the environment... you know, since now more trees have to die to re-build them, more toxic paint and varnish... Not to mention the smoke that poured into the air from the fire and all the water used to put it out...

No one ever said extremists were smart!

Let's put them and the Westboro Baptists on an island together.

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Saw that story yesterday. I'm still not clear on how burning fully-furnished buildings is good for the environment... you know, since now more trees have to die to re-build them, more toxic paint and varnish.... Not to mention the smoke that poured into the air from the fire and all the water used to put it out...

No one ever said extremists were smart!

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LOL, you got that right Jillean.

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Let's put them and the Westboro Baptists on an island together.

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Wow, this is like what, 5 times we've agreed on something now :D

This one looks about right:

http://discovermagazine.com/2007/aug...island1_lg.jpg

I'm not a big fan of fanatics of any kind.

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I'm still not clear on how burning fully-furnished buildings is good for the environment... you know, since now more trees have to die to re-build them, more toxic paint and varnish... Not to mention the smoke that poured into the air from the fire and all the water used to put it out...

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ELF has come around to the view that man made, CO2 induced climate change is a myth??

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I'm still not clear on how burning fully-furnished buildings is good for the environment... No one ever said extremists were smart!

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Hello jillian:

I don't think they were making an environmental argument. It was political.

Certainly, the guy who stood in front of the tank in Tiananmen Square wasn't trying to say that his body was stronger than the tank.

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Of course they were trying to make a political statement; it was just full of fail. Shouldn't your political statement be in line with your point? Forming a human barrier around a tree to prevent it from being cut down makes a political statement and does no further harm to the environment. Setting fire to said tree so it doesn't get cut down and turned into lumber prevents it from being cut down, but still eliminates the tree. Protests make political statements without harming the environment, setting fires doesn't.

From what I read the homes built had won several "green" awards, guess they were "light green" awards instead of "dark green"... Apparently this same group also destroyed a research lab because they thought the scientists were genetically engineering trees... they weren't.