This unknown Black Junior Senator is undoing the Democratic Party. It appears to me he has started a revival of the Martin Luther King Civil Rights Movement that was lost to the Left. He has his own Dream and it calls for an end to Partisan Politics.

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Originally Posted by Dark_crow

This unknown Black Junior Senator is undoing the Democratic Party.

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Certainly not. The people will pick the person whose message they like.

NK…The two are not mutually exclusive.

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Originally Posted by Dark_crow

This unknown Black Junior Senator is undoing the Democratic Party.

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Hello again, DC:

So, why doncha just call him the Junior Senator..? You right wingers can't see your racism and it's staring you in the face. I guess it's really going to bother you that we're about to elect a Black president.

excon

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, George:

What I learned was that your dufus in chief sooooo screwed up the country and the Republican party, that the people in this great nation of ours are willing to support anybody BUT a Republican.

Some might call it a movement toward something. I think it's a movement away from something. To me, it's a total repudiation of the Bush Doctrine.

excon

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I figured, without asking, that it was a caucus of Bush haters and freedom haters; probably a lot of folks who don't sleep at night, or sleep at all for that matter. I am curious what you learned about the movement. Were you sharing stories about how the CIA broke into your bedrooms?

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Originally Posted by George_1950

freedom haters

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Hahahahaha... that line always makes me laugh. :D

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, DC:

So, why doncha just call him the Junior Senator.........??? You right wingers can't see your racism and it's staring you in the face. I guess it's really gonna bother you that we're about to elect a Black president.

excon

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Excon, you never fail to amaze me with your. …!
I make the distinction just like every media out there does. By your standards everyone but you are racist. Now stay on topic or keep your mouth shut. :mad:

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Originally Posted by Dark_crow

By your standards everyone but you are racist. Now stay on topic or keep your mouth shut. :mad:

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I agree with excon here, you seem to want to push the fact that he is black when it shouldn't matter. And please refrain from telling other posters to keep their mouth shut lest we report you.

Here's what I'm talking about:

"Well, I say to them tonight, there's not a liberal America and a conservative America; there's the United States of America." Perhaps the most often quoted sound bite followed: "We worship an awesome God in the Blue States, and we don't like federal agents poking around in our libraries in the Red States. We coach Little League in the Blue States, and yes, we've got some gay friends in the Red States. There are patriots who opposed the war in Iraq, and there are patriots who supported the war in Iraq."

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

I agree with excon here, you seem to want to push the fact that he is black when it shouldn't matter. And please refrain from telling other posters to keep their mouth shut lest we report you.

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Agree or disagree I don't care... report me if you like

So? What's wrong with that quote?

Not a thing wrong with that quote, I agree with his philosophy 100% there. Who else have you heard say that... That is New.

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Originally Posted by Dark_crow

Here's what I'm talking about:

"Well, I say to them tonight, there's not a liberal America and a conservative America; there's the United States of America." Perhaps the most often quoted sound bite followed: "We worship an awesome God in the Blue States, and we don't like federal agents poking around in our libraries in the Red States. We coach Little League in the Blue States, and yes, we've got some gay friends in the Red States. There are patriots who opposed the war in Iraq, and there are patriots who supported the war in Iraq."

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And this is a movement, or the basis of a movement? It's funny recollecting Bill Clinton, the red-neck, Eastern educated power-lover: he or Carville or someone realized that a Dem would never be elected without an array of American flags behind them, all-the-while detesting individualism and personal liberty, and scheming away at increasing the size and cost of government and raising taxes. Bwe he he he I'll never forget the red neck President-elect calling all his contributors to Little Rock for an 'economic' summit. Billy promised middle class tax cuts, remember? After the big meeting, Billy comes out and says, "I've never worked on anything as hard in my life as trying to cut taxes, but we just can't afford it." Blah, blah, blah. Obama or Billary, it doesn't matter: more flags in the background and hollow promises of tax cuts.

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Originally Posted by Dark_crow

"Well, I say to them tonight, there's not a liberal America and a conservative America; there's the United States of America."

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Hello DC:

He was talking to the people who were left out during the Bush presidency. Of course, you weren't left out, so you wouldn't understand what he was talking about. What Bush didn't understand, and apparently you don't either, was that he was president of all of us, not just the Republicans.

But, those who were left out understand even if you don't. There's enough of them to elect him too. Maybe if Bush would have concerned himself a little bit with the half who didn't elect him... but nahhhh. He said, and I quote, "my constituency is the have's and the have more's". And that's exactly how he governed too.

excon

I believe he was speaking to national unity and nothing to do with the rich or poor, or Bush anymore than William Clinton. He is speaking to both Parties. That’s why I said he is “undoing the Democratic Party.”

Obama is winning the black vote and the "yuppie" vote (for lack of a better word ) ;those upper level professional democrats. It is yet to be seen if he can make any inroads in the white working class democrat constituency and the hispanic vote. It appears their concerns need to be addressed with something more than lofty rhetoric.

My guess is that Obama's mo. Will slow down after Tues when he has to compete in places like Ohio ,Texas ,and Pennsylvania. If he takes these states I think he will be the nominee.

He will have a tough time with the Hispanic vote, Tom, that's for sure, and I don't expect him to win Texas; however, unless something changes this is shaping up to be another “Super bowl Upset.”

By his voting record and what he has said I don't think he is as far Left as many believe. For instance, although he campaigned to reform immigration law to provide a path to citizenship for undocumented workers currently in the United States he attached strings: through a system of fines and back taxes, learning English, satisfying a work requirement, and passing a background check.Obama also called for greater security on the border with Mexico.

Well ;like McCain I think he just read tea leaves on the immigration issue.

His voting record is the best barometer and it shows me a person who toes the line and votes with the Democrats . Interest groups send a lot of time rating these representatives of ours . On immigration ;Obama voted with the positions that the Federation for American Immigration Reform 0% of the time .But you are correct .He did say during his floor statement during the debate last year that

The American people are a welcoming and generous people. But those who enter our country illegally, and those who employ them, disrespect the rule of law. And because we live in an age where terrorists are challenging our borders, we simply cannot allow people to pour into the United States undetected, undocumented, and unchecked. Americans are right to demand better border security and better enforcement of the immigration laws.

Essentially I see no difference between the positions of Obama ,Evita ,or McCain on immigration . We will have comprehensive amnesty once they are elected.

Super Bowl upset ? Fine with me so long as his battle with Madame Defarge goes into sudden death overtime.

I think McCain will be able to handle either Democrat candidate . He takes unpopular positions that drive his opponents and supporters crazy ;and he still wins.

Like the Super Bowl there is promise that the excitement will go down to the last minute for the nomination. As I pointed out early in this thread there appeared to be a movement starting and it has certainly been increasing. The movement is in the crowds he draws, not so much the delegates he is getting.

Yeah, they are pretty-much the same on immigration…and for that matter I don't believe there is a “great divide” on any of the more important issues…the divide is more in Party Philosophy.

In fact, I have put the issues aside on who I think should run the country and am attempting to evaluate on the basis of which candidate would be the better decision maker both nationally and particularly in Foreign Policy.

His Major degree in Political Science sways me as well as his study in International Relations.

Would love to hear some substance besides "change is good" and other such lofty platitudes . Alles muss anders sein ?