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  • Sep 16, 2013, 10:28 AM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    They are over-reacting.

    Do you watch the news?. Trader Joes and Forever 21 are just two of the latest that have been on the news... there are far more that haven't made the news.
  • Sep 16, 2013, 10:29 AM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again,

    The right wingers in congress voted to repeal Obamacare 41 times.. Not ONCE did they offer an amendment to fix it, or to offer a plan... It's just squeal and repeal...

    The funny part is, it IS law, and it won't be repealed. What's funnier still that your party is going to DESTROY itself over it.

    excon

    You can't fix something that's this badly broken... it was stillborn from the very beginning. Thank Nancy Pelosi and YOUR side for such a historical screwup.
  • Sep 16, 2013, 10:33 AM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    You can't fix something thats this badly broken..........it was stillborn from the very beginning. Thank Nancy Pelosi and YOUR side for such a historical screwup.

    Isn't that what was said about Medicare and SS?
  • Sep 16, 2013, 10:36 AM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    Isn't that what was said about Medicare and SS?

    No... it wasn't. Not even the democrat leadership likes it... thats why they are running away from it too. Not ONE of them has it or will have it.
  • Sep 16, 2013, 10:41 AM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    No...it wasn't. Not even the democrat leadership likes it...thats why they are running away from it too. Not ONE of them has it or will have it.

    I like them. Hope they don't disappear before I do.
  • Sep 16, 2013, 10:46 AM
    talaniman
    It's for people who don't have it, or can't afford it. Why are you crying? You're happy with what YOU have, aren't you?
  • Sep 16, 2013, 10:55 AM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    It's for people who don't have it, or can't afford it. Why are you crying? You're happy with what YOU have, aren't you?

    Let the cheap SOB's pay for it themselves... or stop breeding.
  • Sep 16, 2013, 11:03 AM
    talaniman
    They do have to pay for it themselves, and if you righties stop closing legal abortion clinics there would be less breeding.
  • Sep 16, 2013, 11:12 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    We shall see, we shall see.

    Come on, the examples in this thread alone are proof enough that most people will not get to keep the plans they had.
  • Sep 16, 2013, 11:23 AM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    They do have to pay for it themselves, and if you righties stop closing legal abortion clinics there would be less breeding.

    Right... thats what you want us to think... but the fact is that's not true... many of them will get it free or subsidized... that means someone else is getting shafted picking up the bill... thats those of us who actually work for a living AND pay taxes... unlike them.
  • Sep 16, 2013, 11:29 AM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    Right....thats what you want us to think....but the fact is thats not true....many of them will get it free or subsidized....that means someone else is getting shafted picking up the bill....thats those of us who actually work for a living AND pay taxes...unlike them.

    Then let's start a major campaign to teach young girls to value themselves enough to not get pregnant by any cute and horny teen guy who comes along.
  • Sep 16, 2013, 11:31 AM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    Then let's start a major campaign to teach young girls to value themselves enough to not get pregnant by any cute and horny teen guy who comes along.

    That only works if the targeted audience is intelligent enough to listen... most of them aren't. Because its been tried... they think they know everything already.
  • Sep 16, 2013, 11:34 AM
    talaniman
    Romney tried that rhetoric and he lost.
  • Sep 16, 2013, 11:35 AM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    That only works if the targeted audience is intelligent enough to listen.....most of them aren't. Because its been tried....they think they know everything already.

    Then we will keep after them and not give up. I'm think this could be a wonderful bipartisan effort with pizza parties and songs and hand clapping.

    And we could change Hollywood and the media along with it!
  • Sep 16, 2013, 11:36 AM
    smoothy
    Tal you are in a seriously SMALL minorrity that likes or even wants Obamacare... not even a majority of Democrats want it know they know the truth about it.
  • Sep 16, 2013, 11:37 AM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    Then we will keep after them and not give up. I'm think this could be a wonderful bipartisan effort with pizza parties and songs and hand clapping.

    Only if you first can find a cure for the ignorance and arrogance of youth. Because that has to be surmounted before anything changes.
  • Sep 16, 2013, 11:47 AM
    talaniman
    For the millionth time, only an idiot would be mad at someone else getting what most of us have and paying for it themselves.

    The alternative is we go back to paying for them to get what they should have had themselves. Can't believe you are for that.
  • Sep 16, 2013, 11:49 AM
    speechlesstx
    I cannot tell you how many times I have read, heard and watched some lib wagging their finger at us telling us to keep the government out of our bedrooms. Well my liberal friends, I expect some outrage over this...

    Quote:

    Obamacare will question your sex life

    ‘Are you sexually active? If so, with one partner, multiple partners or same-sex partners?”

    Be ready to answer those questions and more the next time you go to the doctor, whether it’s the dermatologist or the cardiologist and no matter if the questions are unrelated to why you’re seeking medical help. And you can thank the Obama health law.

    “This is nasty business,” says New York cardiologist Dr. Adam Budzikowski. He called the sex questions “insensitive, stupid and very intrusive.” He couldn’t think of an occasion when a cardiologist would need such information — but he knows he’ll be pushed to ask for it.
    It's none of their damn business. Right?

    Quote:

    The president’s “reforms” aim to turn doctors into government agents, pressuring them financially to ask questions they consider inappropriate and unnecessary, and to violate their Hippocratic Oath to keep patients’ records confidential.

    Embarrassing though it may be, you confide things to a doctor you wouldn’t tell anyone else. But this is entirely different.

    Doctors and hospitals who don’t comply with the federal government’s electronic-health-records requirements forgo incentive payments now; starting in 2015, they’ll face financial penalties from Medicare and Medicaid. The Department of Health and Human Services has already paid out over $12.7 billion for these incentives.

    Dr. Richard Amerling, a nephrologist and associate professor at Albert Einstein Medical College, explains that your medical record should be “a story created by you and your doctor solely for your treatment and benefit.” But the new requirements are turning it “into an interrogation, and the data will not be confidential.”

    Lack of confidentiality is what concerned the New York Civil Liberties Union in a 2012 report. Electronic medical records have enormous benefits, but with one click of a mouse, every piece of information in a patient’s record, including the social history, is transmitted, disclosing too much.
    Add the massive expansion of government snooping and I'd say your guy has virtually shredded your right to privacy and mine.

    That's not all, this is for you ex...

    Quote:

    The social-history questions also include whether you’ve ever used drugs, including IV drugs. As the NYCLU cautioned, revealing a patient’s past drug problem, even if it was a decade ago, risks stigma.
    Why does the government need to know this stuff? Come on, convince me some more how Zerocare isn't a clusterfark.
  • Sep 16, 2013, 11:50 AM
    talaniman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    Tal you are in a seriously SMALL minorrity that likes or even wants Obamacare....not even a majority of Democrats want it know they know the truth about it.

    Forgive me for doubting the veracity of YOUR truth. The last repeal vote didn't reflect that, quite the opposite.
  • Sep 16, 2013, 11:50 AM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    Only if you first can find a cure for the ignorance and arrogance of youth. Because that has to be surmounted before anything changes.

    We youths back in the '50s and '60s were ignorant and arrogant (in our own way) but 99% of us didn't get pregnant. What changed since then? (Miley Cyrus isn't helping.)

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