You really think that many women are going to subject themselves to the legal and physical scrutiny that comes with a rape accusation just to get an abortion? No, they'll just go to Planned Parenthood, they don't much care about rules.

Hello again, Steve:

You misunderstand. If Romney and his ilk win, they WILL make abortion illegal EXCEPT for rape.. I don't know if you've been paying attention, but there's been a LOT of talk about it... I mean a LOT...

So, I'm just asking what happens IF Romney wins?? Oh, I know you don't think they'll make abortion illegal, and I don't know what planet you're living on.. But, humor me... Let's PRETEND.

But, you won't, will you. That's because you and Romney make PROCLAMATIONS without any plan or idea how to actually carry them out on the ground... That's why he won't tell us the details of his tax plan, and that's why you won't tell us the details of his/your abortion plan...

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No I still don't think abortion will ever be overturned. You guys just keep on trifling about Big Bird, binders, bayonets and a mythical war on women and we'll move forward with the economy and fighting the war on poverty and such.

Paul Ryan in Ohio: ‘In this war on poverty, poverty’s winning’

P.S. Women LOVE me.

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I just want to know how you small government conservatives are going to manage this.

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This small govt guy would've left it for the states to decide. This small government guy would've let the people make laws ;not the courts .Then I'd have had my fight with my state .

If the states have a squabble then they may need a court to settle it. As we see that's what's happened in several states already. That's their job isn't it? That's what civil societies do, have a civil way of settling disputes.

State or National.

Came across another interesting point of view about the Mourdock non-issue via Timothy P. Carney.

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Back in August, for a column, I spent a day talking to women who had conceived or been conceived by rape. It was the most most emotionally exhausting day of my career. One woman I spoke to is now a mom. Her name is Jenni Maas. Jenni said her mother tells her “it was a horrible thing that happened, but this was a little light in her life.”

If you believe being pro-life like Donnelly is morally acceptable, but you find Mourdock’s comments to betray an unacceptable view, then what you find offensive or extreme is the notion that Jenni is as much a person as you are.

This is an interesting moral proposition on which the Democrats have chosen to run.

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Go ahead, tear into me.

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Go ahead, tear into me.

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No tearing from me. I'm just not sure that every time I looked at my child, I would want to remember the rape and possibly see his face in the child's face.

Hello again, Steve:

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Go ahead, tear into me.

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Couple things... I would NEVER tear into you for your personal beliefs... I respect you. But, try to FORCE them on me, and I'll NEVER stop hassling you.

Secondarily, nobody is saying that fertilized eggs don't turn into good people... We ARE saying that a mother should NOT be FORCED by the state to have her rapist's baby.

You say the nanny state shouldn't force people to STOP eating at McDonald's, but you're FINE with the state doing that... Makes NO sense to me.

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Actually, all I said was there was nothing evil about Mourdock's comment. Sometimes those babies become a Jenni.

I think the one who has to live with her decision should be the one to make the decision.

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Can anyone just point out where I've ever said the woman shouldn't make the decision? Based on my words, not yours that is.

And while we're at it, in regards to your beef about not defunding PP because of the health care services they provide, seems WaPo has caught the Poser in another lie, his repeated claim that PP would no longer be providing mammograms under Romney. Well, they don't under Obama either.

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The problem here is that Planned Parenthood does not perform mammograms or even possess the necessary equipment to do so. As such, the organization certainly does not “provide” mammograms in the strict sense. Instead, its clinics provide referrals and direct low-income women toward resources to help pay for the procedure.

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Can a woman get a mammogram without a referral?

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Can a woman get a mammogram without a referral?

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Not that I know of (US).

So they do provide a service in that regard I guess.

You guys really work overtime to avoid the point, which is Obama lying to scare women into believing Romney will cut health care services that aren't being provided anyway.

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The Facts

Obama has talked about Planned Parenthood’s supposed mammography services throughout his 2012 campaign. Here are a few examples of his remarks:

“When Governor Romney says that we should eliminate funding for Planned Parenthood, there are millions of women all across the country who rely on Planned Parenthood for not just contraceptive care. They rely on it for mammograms, for cervical cancer screenings.”

— Obama during second presidential debate, Oct. 16, 2012

“When people say we should get rid of Planned Parenthood, they’re not just talking about restricting a woman’s ability to make her own health-care decisions; they’re talking about denying, as a practical matter, the preventive care like mammograms that millions of women rely on.”

— Obama during White House Forum on Women and the Economy, April 6, 2012

“In many of these states Planned Parenthood is your only possible access to not only abortion but pap smears, cervical cancer screenings, mammograms. It is a place where women who may not otherwise have the means can take care of their own bodies.”

— Obama interview with Glamour magazine, October 2012

The problem here is that Planned Parenthood does not perform mammograms or even possess the necessary equipment to do so. As such, the organization certainly does not “provide” mammograms in the strict sense. Instead, its clinics provide referrals and direct low-income women toward resources to help pay for the procedure.

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But cover for the man, Obama, whose entire campaign is built on myths, lies, smears and fantasies.

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You guys really work overtime to avoid the point, which is Obama lying to scare women into believing Romney will cut health care services that aren't being provided anyway.

But go ahead and cover for the man, Obama, whose entire campaign is built on myths, lies, smears and fantasies.

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PP, on a sliding scale and at low cost, teaches women, especially women who don't have health insurance, how to examine themselves and what to watch for regarding cancerous growth, weird bleeding, etc. If Romney eliminates PP/undercuts its services, he will do a huge disservice to our country.

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PP, on a sliding scale and at low cost, teaches women, especially women who don't have health insurance, how to examine themselves and what to watch for regarding cancerous growth, weird bleeding, etc. If Romney eliminates PP/undercuts its services, he will do a huge disservice to our country.

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One dodge after another.

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One dodge after another.

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How so? Where would your wife go if you were uninsured and making $3,000 or less a year?

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How so?

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Yes. But the usual route is to have a doctor order one and then the doctor and specialist review the results. Most of the time the family physician is the frontline for ordering tests. But a patient could order a test and sign papers without a doctors permission and have a test done.