Hello again,

Yeah, Sebillius is in for a rough ride with Issa. Of course, we KNOW he's not an investigator. He just wants to make political points, and it's gonna be a circus.. Of course, I'll be watching...

Meanwhile, the website WILL be fixed, and you'll have nothing to squeal about anymore. Yaaaaawwn!!

The GOOD news is that 30 million people who've NEVER had health insurance are gonna GET it. You wingers LIKE insurance, don't you?? You UNDERSTAND why you have it, don't you? Why would you deny others the security of having, what you yourself enjoy???

Doncha think that's rather SELFISH of you? I do.

excon

Me too

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The GOOD news is that 30 million people who've NEVER had health insurance are gonna GET it. excon

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Maybe ,but so far it looks like millions are being kicked off the insurance they formerly had ;even though the emperor insisted that if you like your plan you can keep it.

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Maybe ,but so far it looks like millions are being kicked off the insurance they formerly had ;even though the emperor insisted that if you like your plan you can keep it.

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So far so good at my house.

Oh, and Medicare and, much more recently, Medicare D were a disaster at first too, but everyone loved them once they got straightened out.

Hello again, tom:

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it looks like millions are being kicked off the insurance they formerly had ;even though the emperor insisted that if you like your plan you can keep it.

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What's happening, is that Obamacare REQUIRES a certain level of coverage that existing policies don't cover.. Given that the requirements are GOOD for the consumer and NOT especially good for the companies, they're BETTER off buying their health care through the exchanges. It's BOUND to be better insurance at LESS cost.

You'll never hear that from FOX News.

excon

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Hello again, tom:
What's happening, is that Obamacare REQUIRES a certain level of coverage that existing policies don't cover.. Given that the requirements are GOOD for the consumer and NOT especially good for the companies, they're BETTER off buying their health care through the exchanges. It's BOUND to be better insurance at LESS cost.

You'll never hear that from FOX News.

excon

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Because it aint true . People actually had the coverage they wanted . Adding needless coverage is not better coverage . Also they are being forced to purchase insurance at higher costs . They exchanges are going to implode because the only people signing up on the exchanges are Medicaid eligible so the cost death spiral will bring down the insurance companies... which of course was the whole not so secret agenda of the plan.

Hello again, tom:

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which of course was the whole not so secret agenda of the plan.

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So, you think Obama built FAILURE into his plan, because, of course, the country WOULD let him try again...

Bwa, ha ha ha ha ha.. Snicker, snicker...

excon

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Hello again, tom:
What's happening, is that Obamacare REQUIRES a certain level of coverage that existing policies don't cover.. Given that the requirements are GOOD for the consumer and NOT especially good for the companies, they're BETTER off buying their health care through the exchanges. It's BOUND to be better insurance at LESS cost.

You'll never hear that from FOX News.

excon

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Actuallt its not going to be better nor at less cost. That is already shown to be proven fact. Those that are getting kicked off of State rolls are going to have high deductables and copays that they never had before. Many will lay destitute because they can't afford the coverage that they are going to get. Not due to premium costs but the cost of the policy requirements.

A 40/60 plan is not what I would call the panacea that your calling it after many of these people have been getting mostly free care.

Mostly free care? What is that? What kind of care did they get that was mostly free?

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many of these people have been getting mostly free care.

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What free care?

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Mostly free care? What is that? What kind of care did they get that was mostly free?

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Some odd thinking here, there is no free care under an insurance plan, what it is is prepaid care

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Mostly free care? What is that? What kind of care did they get that was mostly free?

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Doctors vists and hospital visits were paid for but there was a drug copay of very little like $5. That is about the only thing some paid for in some states.

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Doctors vists and hospital visits were paid for but there was a drug copay of very little like $5. That is about the only thing some paid for in some states.

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And what paid the rest of the costs?

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And what paid the rest of the costs?

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The State medical insurance program.

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The State medical insurance program.

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Your and my tax dollars. Medicaid.

Don't shoot me, I'm just posting more 'spurious' reports.

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Some health insurance gets pricier as Obamacare rolls out - latimes.com

“This is when the actual sticker shock comes into play for people,” said Gerald Kominski, director of the UCLA Center for Health Policy Research. “There are winners and losers under the Affordable Care Act.”

Fullerton resident Jennifer Harris thought she had a great deal, paying $98 a month for an individual plan through Health Net Inc.She got a rude surprise this month when the company said it would cancel her policy at the end of this year. Her current plan does not conform with the new federal rules, which require more generous levels of coverage.

Now Harris, a self-employed lawyer, must shop for replacement insurance. The cheapest plan she has found will cost her $238 a month. She and her husband don’t qualify for federal premium subsidies because they earn too much money, about $80,000 a year combined.

“It doesn’t seem right to make the middle class pay so much more in order to give health insurance to everybody else,” said Harris, who is three months pregnant. “This increase is simply not affordable.”

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Except if the overriding goal of the Obots is wealth redistribution. Then it makes perfect sense.

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Except if the overriding goal of the Obots is wealth redistribution. Then it makes perfect sense.

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That's what taxation is for Tom

They should redustribute their own wealth.

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That's what taxation is for Tom

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Besides the taxing power enumerated in the Constitution ,that is correct.