He might have had help ( I agree he wasn't alone in this)... but as the top guy... the buck stops with him... just like every other business or enterprise out there.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
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He might have had help ( I agree he wasn't alone in this)... but as the top guy... the buck stops with him... just like every other business or enterprise out there.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
So fire him, give him a golden parachuteQuote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi still have shrines in their offices and worship him.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Yes but it is transient, they used to say that there was a shine to me once in my old office but we all move on, all those true believers are long gone and I suspect it is the same for BO. You can only do so much, and then what you have done is swept away by the tideQuote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
How generous of you.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
True... given enough time all those details will be forgotten and he'll simply be remembered as "that incomptetant boob"... much like Jimmy Carter is remembered. Assuming they remember anything at all... and isn't simply forgotten like so many other ex presidents who never had any notible accomplishments to rememebr.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Top Ten Indicators Your Employer Has Changed To The Obamacare Health Care Plan.
(10) Your annual breast exam is done at Hooters.
(9) Directions to your doctor's office include
"Take a left when you enter the trailer park."
(8) The tongue depressors taste faintly of Fudgesicles.
(7) The only proctologist in the plan is "Gus"
From Roto-Rooter.
(6) The only item listed under Preventative Care Coverage is
"an apple a day."
(5) Your primary care physician is wearing the pants you
Gave to Goodwill last month.
(4) "The patient is responsible for 200% of out-of-network
charges," is not a typographical error.
(3) The only expense covered 100% is... "Embalming."
(2) Your Prozac comes in different colors with little
M's on them.
(1) You ask for Viagra and they give you a Popsicle stick
And duct tape.
"Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by
letting the government take care of him, better take a
closer look at the American Indian."- Henry Ford
Good one... got a good laugh out of reading that.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
It just keeps getting better and better for the emperor...
Rude Awakening for Federal Way Woman Who Got Shout-Out From President - Can't Afford Obamacare Policy After All
After Jessica Sanford Sends Fan Letter to Obama for Making Insurance Affordable, State Says She Must Pay Full Ticket
Sen Marco Rubio explains in WSJ that HHS plans on bailing out the insurance companies by manipulating the so called “risk corridor” provisions of the law once the emperor's reversal of insurance cancelations starts to create big losses for insurers.
Marco Rubio: No Bailouts for ObamaCare - WSJ.com
So now the taxpayer gets triple wacked . First by the Medicaid expansion ;Second by the exchange subsidies ,and now with the risk corridor bailout to the insurance companies .
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While risk corridors can protect taxpayers when they are budget-neutral, ObamaCare's risk corridors are designed in such an open-ended manner that the president's action now exposes taxpayers to a bailout of the health-insurance industry if and when the law fails.
Subsequent regulatory rulings have made clear that the administration views this risk-corridor authority as a blank check, requiring no further consultation or approval by Congress. A final rule handed down in March by HHS and the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services states: “Regardless of the balance of payments and receipts, HHS will remit payments as required under section 1342 of the Affordable Care Act.”
On Nov. 14, the American Academy of Actuaries issued a press release saying that President Obama's plan to reverse health-insurance cancellations “could lead to negative consequences for consumers, health insurers, and the federal government.” More specifically, the academy said, “Costs to the federal government could increase as higher-than-expected average medical claims are more likely to trigger risk corridor payments.”
It is a damning indictment of ObamaCare's viability when the president's only response to people losing their health insurance plans entails putting them on the hook for bailing out insurance companies.
So, how's that website coming along? According to CMS tech officer Henry Chao, 30-40% of the site still needs to be built. That would include the payment system. That much was never even developed prior to the launch date.
Not exactly building confidence in their signature 'accomplishment' or regime competence. Maybe that's why the emperor and other Dems quit referring to it as Obamacare?Quote:
“It’s not that it’s not working,” Chao told lawmakers at an Energy and Commerce oversight subcommittee hearing. “It’s still being developed and tested.”
Read more: Tech chief: 40% Obamacare work left - POLITICO.com
Setting deadlines and meeting deadlines are two different things, in poli speak we have the imperative, borrowed from fiction, make it so. In most cases they won't be held to account for delays, but they had years to get this right and apparently no fall back position
Don't fall for the right wing gloom and doom Clete, they hate the pie in the oven before they taste it, because they hate the chef, and are content with serving up the crap sandwiches they have gotten use to.
The old system left 47million without, and they want to keep that system. Make any sense to you?
Of course. One might wonder how you plan on taking payment for your purchase before launching the endeavor. So of those 50,000 who've managed to enroll on the exchange site how many do you suppose have actually bought their plan?Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Tal the problem could have been solved simply, but no, It had to have the grand gestureQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
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Originally Posted by speechlesstx
From the rhetoric I expect that a large number have a problem or several problems the least of which maybe whether they have cover or not
The opposition makes it a grand gesture, so they can kill it. The wingers here make you aware they hate everything, and criticize to no end what anyone does, and blames everybody else for things not being perfect.
Surely you have noticed that very pronounced pattern in every thread on this forum?
What I have noted is a perspensity to rhetoric and exaggerationQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
This ACA has become a focal point for criticism. It is apparently poorly designed and poorly implemented.
Yeah that's what the wingers say. Truth is the data shows states that have been actually working it have shown increased success. The ones that fight and obstruct by doing nothing are having problems. Sure the website is not 100%, but that's only the window dressing as far as the law working is concerned.
In my own state which fights tooth and nail, to deny million any heath care, the legislature and the hospitals are going around the governor to get those federal dollars for the state.
I keep telling you about listening to the whiners. Can't you Google your own facts from Australia? I tell the wingers all the time get the whole story, and not just the hollering points from their favorite right wing rag.
Even the Washington comPost today, 11/19/2013 is claiming their poll (likely of registered Democrats) show 57 % of the people are opposed to Obamacare...
Other real polls show even more people are opposed to it.
Tal google works fine some of the time but who can be sure of the facts. It appears you have a problem and the size of the problem is the point of contention. Social change always leads to contention.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
You have a very polarised electorate at the moment and therefore you have a lot of shoutin' and hollerin' and maybe it's much ado about nothin' and maybe not. The question as I see it is, whether, at the end of the day, you will have more uninsured of a different class than you started with, and whether you will have a lot of satisfied customers or a lot of disgruntled customers.
Why am I interested? because inevietably what you model over there finds its way here and serves to undermine what we have
Irony alert again, Tal talking down to others about facts over talking points.
Irony alert.Quote:
Tal talking down to others about facts over talking points.
No one cares what you think.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Remember that if you like your doctor promise we said would be broken? It begins...
White House Tries To Rewrite Obama's 'Keep Your Doctor' Promise | Washington Free Beacon
No one cares what you think.Quote:
Remember that if you like your doctor promise we said would be broken? It begins...
Poll: Obamacare support, Obama approval sink to new lows - CBS News
A drop of 12 points in the last month alone... and this is a left wing poll by a group VERY friendly to Obama and democrats.
"........A rocky beginning to the opening of the new health insurance exchanges has also taken its toll on how Americans perceive the Affordable Care Act. Now, approval of the law has dropped to 31 percent - the lowest number yet recorded in CBS News Polls, and a drop of 12 points since last month. Sixty-one percent disapprove (a high for this poll), including 46 percent who say they disapprove strongly. ...."
I think people want to keep their doctor, prove me wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
You aren't wrong but do you have to throw 47 million people who WANT a doctor under the bus for 3 million who may have to get better insurance?
Changing insurance won't always mean changing a doctor. Your math is faulty. 47 million to maybe 3million??
Do you always have to return to the same false argument? No one wants people to go without health care, but why destroy it for everyone for an agenda?Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Not everyone, maybe(?) 1.3% of the population will have to make adjustments. Many for the better when the dust clears.
What's your alternative? Mine is Medicare for EVERYONE. What's YOURS?
Please, didn't I just say "do you always have to return to the same false argument?" Stop pretending we haven't offered alternatives, we have, but they won't satisfy you because the ONLY alternative you'll accept is single payer government run health care.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Meanwhile, The Liar's lies keep getting exposed.
Obama was briefed earlier in year on health website problems | Reuters
If you want something, don't sell it to us based on a web of lies. Makes it quite difficult to regain trust.
OK, you really must start questioning the regime's competence. Why would anyone go out and do an orchestrated media event and actually feature Healthcare.gov as part of it, knowing full well it's only 60% -70% built and it's likely going to crash on you?
I guess the first such flop wasn't enough.Quote:
Sebelius, wearing green, walked through the front doors of North Shore Hospital near Miami Shores where she shook hands with hospital staff and members of the Epilepsy Foundation who are staffing the Obamacare Navigation center housed off the hospital’s lobby. There she met with the team helping South Floridians to sign-up on line or on paper.
“So she is being helpful,” asked the secretary to a couple sitting at one table of a navigator. “Absolutely,” they responded.
At a second table, the secretary met Carmen Salero who was trying to sign up online. As the secretary and Salero made small talk, CBS4′s Brian Andrews noticed the site crash on the lap top in front of them.
“The screen says I’m sorry but the system is temporarily down,” Andrews pointed out. “Uh oh,” responded the secretary. “That happens every day,” said Salerno, “it must mean a lot of people are on there trying to get coverage.”
The problem is the alternative you offer isn't really alternative. It's piecemeal tinkering. It still will be a system that will still have winners and losers. Why? Because of the inability to address the problem of equity of health care. Until your 'alternative' addresses this problem then you don't really have a solution.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
"Equity" is unworkable Utopian nonsense. There will always be winners and losers no matter what anyone does. Obamacare is a perfect example of that, millions will be punished with higher premiums and fewer choices in providers to provide "equity" in health care for the few while the elite will sit in their high places and snub their noses while they get whatever they want. At least our alternatives don't make things WORSE.
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Originally Posted by speechlesstx
I have been through this already and it was conveniently ignored. Yes, it's unachievable and utopian when taken as a vision for the whole of society. That doesn't prevent an attempt at moving towards equity in specific areas such as health care.
Of course Obamacare is an example of fewer choices, winners and losers. You are paying the price for a long history for thinking that equity means treating individuals who are unequal in economic terms in the same way as you treat individual in terms of health care. In other words, individuals should receive healthcare according to what is perceived as their needs, not according to their actual needs.
You will never achieve anything unless you address the historical problem.
The historical problem is that some humans have less value than others though the words all men were created equal is the premise. So who lied?
Who Lied? Obama lied... over and over.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
So did George, and Thomas. The nation was built on lies.
Perhaps a kinder way of saying it would be that some individual contribute more to society than others. Wrong headed type of thinking is to believe that life is a level playing field whereby everyone can be achieve success. There are different types of equity available for a society to prioritize.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
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