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Bottom line... Menendez is a lying, crooked ,statutory rapist. He was playing the RACE card trying to deflect criticism of his behavior... not because of his carefully crafted wording ,but because of the audience he was addressing them to. But you'll never admit it.
Tom, I thought you had given up on this one. I already know your opinion on this and you know my opinion. Perhaps you can make me admit I am wrong by providing some evidence that Menendez was playing the race card and not the ethnic card.
Honestly, if you can provide hard evidence I will admit that I am wrong.
Tut
Surely, you are not supporting a SCOTUS judge who is attempting to poison the judicial well. You rightly complain your Constitutional rights are being eroded, yet you seem to support a man who takes to the floor in order to try and bend public and judicial opinion by criticizing the Act in question.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Scalia says,'"...quote It's been written about. unquote"
I didn't realize that SCOTUS handed down its decisions based on opinions; popular or otherwise. If this type of thing happens on a larger scale then you will have a Constitutional ruling subject to popular opinion.
Ok, Tom you win. But keep in mind that I was never supporting his questionable behaviour. I was only supporting good journalism.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Tut
You seem to mention things in bums an awful lot, not sure why.Quote:
NK had to pull it out of their bum
Anyway I did not in any way refer to homosexual republicans/christians, I was referring to heterosexual ones who like to fondle young boys.
Sorry if my post was confusing.
Carry on.
So you've gone to making even less sense than usual.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Geez Tut, it was a normal part of oral arguments at SCOTUS. If anyone is poisoning the well it's the leftist blogosphere with their collective hissy fit over Scalia making a reasonable point... if you're going to treat some states differently you better have a good reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuttyd
Writing laws that keep people from voting, exercising their constitutional rights is a good reason.
Supreme Court Hears Voting Rights Act Challenge Brought By Shelby County, Alabama
Keeping America shackled to a mindset that perpetuates racial tension and disregards the progress we've made is poisonous.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Progressives isn't very progressive. They craft legislations that are perhaps justifiable... and then decades later ,these polices are etched in stone unmovable despite the changing realities . They always accuse the right of making changes to programs "as we know it" ,as if that is always a bad thing .
Take a case in point . Mississippi is still on the Sec 5 list even though the state has more black elected officials than any other state in the union . In comparison ,Massachusetts has one of the worse . The disparity between black and white election participation has virtually disappeared in the covered states and is better than in many other parts of the country that are not covered by Section 5.
One would think that if Sec 5(which was meant to be a temporary remedy ) was even necessary in a time when the US has a 2 term African American President ,then the relevant question should be... why isn't sec 5 universally applied (equal protection under the law and all that )?
Hello again, Steve:
Seems to me it's the Voting Rights Act that is RESPONSIBLE for all the progress we've made. What?? You think it would have happened WITHOUT it? Why would you want to stop something that is WORKING?Quote:
Keeping America shackled to a mindset that perpetuates racial tension and disregards the progress we've made is poisonous.
There WILL be a time for its repeal.. That time ISN'T now.
Excon
It clearly looks like the system is working the way it is suppose to do. That section of the law was never meant to be permanent. Also it does have an expiration date in it too.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
For people who think they're progressive you sure do hate to embrace progress.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Hello dad:
To ME, 8 hour waits to vote indicate anything BUT that the system is working.
excon
I think laws such as this were designed to be reviewed, revised, or discontinued. And the congress has acted. Quiet as its keep, a state or district can apply through the process to be let out of this oversight. Alabama and Shelby county have not applied and chosen a lawsuit instead.
Hello again, Steve:
We've come a long way. But, we've not YET reached our destination.Quote:
you sure do hate to embrace progress.
Excon
What's good for the goose...Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
And we never will as long as you intentionally perpetuate racial tension. I don't believe for a minute the left wants to reach that destination, it's not in their political interest to have racial harmony. As I've said many times, we aren't the ones injecting race into every situation. We have embraced minorities, and like the incident with Elaine Chao (and any other conservative minority) your side attacks them as inauthentic or devious traitors.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Hello again,
So, you think WAITING in line for 8 hours to vote is EMBRACING minorities?? And, if I mention it, I'M the one who's injecting race??
Dude!!
excon
The gander in this case is the same guy who tried this in Texas, and lost.
Supreme Court Hears Voting Rights Act Challenge Brought By Shelby County, Alabama
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Both Shelby County and Alabama were the subject of a federal block on voting-related changes and named parties in a federal civil rights suit in 2008, when 180 of the state's counties and municipalities refused to alter their at-large election districts. The absence of distinct geographic districts –- which often cluster voters by both race and class –- made it virtually impossible for the state's growing black and Latino populations to ever win city-wide elections for seats on hundreds of county commissions and city councils, school boards and water districts, Haygood said.
“Shelby County was and is the very kind of place for which the Voting Rights Act was written,” he said. “So, it's pretty unbelievable that this case has come from this community.”
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In 2008, Gray was involved in the suit against 180 Alabama counties. Last year, the problem came even closer to home. Gray, a long-time active voter, discovered that a new county election official had removed his name and about 500 others from the voter rolls in Evergreen, Ala. the small 4,000-person town and boyhood home to which Gray retired. The most recent census found that the city is 63 percent black, but the majority of the city council's seats are held by white politicians who live in largely white sections of town.
“Listen, it's plain to see that when Shelby County decided to take up this fight, they didn't ask anybody who would be in a position to know if there are still real problems,” he said.
When the Justice Department became aware of Evergreen's changed voter rolls and new district lines, which the city council had also failed to submit for approval, it used Section Five to stop the town's planned August 2012 county elections. Federal officials asked the town for more information.
Elections have not been held.
Also from the previous link,Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
And that's your example of embracing minorities? Seems to me if latino populations led to Texas gaining 4 new representatives in the congress then shouldn't they have a chance for 4 latino reps?Quote:
When the Voting Rights Act was passed in 1965, many of the voters who were plainly excluded and faced danger if they tried to vote were African-American. A smaller number were Mexican Americans living in Southwestern states. Today, the country's population is changing, and so too are the tactics used to limit the influence of minority voters, Barreto said.
Just last year, the Mexican American Legal Defense Fund (MALDEF) won a legal dispute with the state of Texas over proposed election districts. Texas won four new Congressional seats, almost entirely due to growth in its Latino population. State officials working to draw new district lines complied with the letter of the Voting Rights Act by creating new districts, including at least one where Latinos would make up the majority of voters and therefore stand a better chance of being able to elect and send their candidate of choice to Congress. But, in a series of emails between state staff working to draw new district lines, it became clear that the new districts were actually designed to violate the spirit of the Voting Rights Act.
State officials drew a new “minority majority” district in such a way that voters with Spanish surnames who do not often vote were concentrated in one district and those with Spanish surnames who have a record of voting frequently were pushed into predominantly white and Republican voting zones.
Section Five and other sections of the Voting Rights Act helped federal officials and MALDEF to halt the plan.
Of course diluting their voting power keeps you guys in power. I really think minorities want you to stop embracing them.
It's a bunch of lip service.
Dude, we don't wait in line ten minutes so I have no idea what anyone else's problem is. I see it as possibly incompetence, not placing obstacles in the path of minorities. I see voter ID as protecting legitimate votes, not disenfranchising blacks. So yeah, you are injecting race, not me.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Here is what happened with the 8 hr incident . This was not on election day. This happened at a early polling place in Florida; on the 1st day of early voting . Now as you will recall ,the President and the Dems really advertised the early voting option in the last campaign. The problem with that was that most districts don't open up ALL their polling places for early voting .It would be impossible .Many polling places are in local elementary schools ,libraries etc. and having a month of early voting in school auditoriums would be quite disruptive . So districts only open up a few places for early voting . On Election Day, when the majority of people vote, Miami-Dade had 829 polling places open, but only 20 were open prior to Election Day.
So this whole nonsense about 8 hr lines is a canard. I want to see the example of anyone having to wait that long ,or even close to that long ON ELECTION DAY . It did not happen.
The system is working in that they are going through the courts to resolve it as intended by the law. That section was meant to be reviewed and now it will be.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Florida Election: More than 200,000 didn't vote because of long lines | Mail OnlineQuote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Florida's Long Lines On Election Day Discouraged 49,000 People From Voting: Report
Photos: Election Day in Columbus, Ohio, Sees Long Lines - Yahoo! News
Photos: Election Day in Columbus, Ohio, Sees Long Lines | View photo - Yahoo! News
The 1st link is for Lee County ,which is where Fort Myers is.. Here is the demographics for the county . In 2005 the population was 76.6% non-Hispanic white, 14.3% Latino, 7.5% African-American and 1.1% Asian.
So ;if there were long lines there ,how can the claim be made that it was racial discrimination?
Now ,only a few sections of Florida are covered under Sec 5 of the Voting Rights Act. So tell me how having Sec 5 on the books would've helped ?
Photos of lines don't tell me anything .There were long lines at my polling place ,and yet I was out within a half hour. How many elections were being held in the district ? How many referendum to choose from ? Was it machine ballot ,or fill out a paper ballot ? The national average ON ELECTION DAY was about 15 minutes... and that includes record turnouts in some areas ,and of course the turnout in places like Philly that exceed 100% of registered voters .
Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Let the politicians make the reasonable points. Scalia is not at SCOTUS outlining his arguments to his fellow judges. He is in a public arena trying to preempt the way SCOTUS should vote when, or if the case comes before them. He is also outlining the reasons SCOTUS should rule against the act.
Let the politicians poison the wells. It's up to the judges to make decisions based on legal argument; not telling everyone we should entertain the idea that decisions could be based on some stuff that has been written.
And have New Black Panthers monitoring the polling place.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Hello again,
Right wing loon didn't get the message.ExconQuote:
Women do not get pregnant when raped because "the juices don't flow, the body functions don't work" during an attack, a state lawmaker said YESTERDAY.
Republican Representative Henry Aldridge made the remarks to the House Appropriations Committee as it debated a proposal to eliminate a state abortion fund for poor women.
"The facts show that people who are raped -- who are truly raped -- the juices don't flow, the body functions don't work and they don't get pregnant," said Aldridge, a 71-year-old periodontist. "Medical authorities agree that this is a rarity, if ever."
LOL,you worry about 3 guys at a polling place and don't give a rats patoot about millions of TParty folks monitoring polling places at the last election?Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Um, yeah this has me scratching my head...Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
WOW that was fast as when I found this site it was an article about how the TParty was training election monitors in every state, starting in Texas. They were supposed to have every polling place covered.
No problem,I have a few more,
Civil rights groups uneasy about tea party election-monitoring effort | The Raw Story
The Attack on Voting Rights Isn't Racist
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It's not Jim Crow. But the aggressive way that True the Vote has trained its tea party recruits to monitor voters is uncomfortably similar to tactics once employed by White Citizens Councils in Davis' very own Birmingham. The indiscriminate voter purging they've facilitated falls disproportionately on blacks and Latinos. And the hoops many may have to jump through because they lack a car, or a birth certificate, or the multiple forms that need to be filled out do eerily echo literacy tests.
There is nothing wrong with poll watchers. I have done it in the past . But that is different than standing there with a weapon at the entrance to a polling place.
I don't know where that ignorant misinformation originated ;but I'd like to see the evidence they think supports this nonsense claim.It makes about as much sense as saying a woman can prevent a rape by peeing or vomiting on their attacker.Quote:
Women do not get pregnant when raped because "the juices don't flow, the body functions don't work" during an attack, a state lawmaker said YESTERDAY..
"The facts show that people who are raped -- who are truly raped -- the juices don't flow, the body functions don't work and they don't get pregnant," said Aldridge, a 71-year-old periodontist. "Medical authorities agree that this is a rarity, if ever."
Excon
I'd rather have American citizens as poll watchers than the UN, and as long as EVERYONE has to abide by the same ID requirements there is no discrimination.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
You can't vote in European elections without a photo ID... that way the dead can't vote... nor can illegals... and the legal people only get to vote once.
Which kind of flys in the face of the Democrat mantra... vote eary, vote often.
Democrats are all for having voter ID.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Really... then why are they the ones fighting AGAINST a required photo ID? There is no other reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
They aren't now. Only when they have to get an ID fifteen minutes before voting.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
BS... NOBODY did that.. they had years... and lame excuses were given... they can cough up an ID to get money or some other taxpayer paid benefit free to them...Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
They can find an ID to bail people out of jail... they can find an ID every other time except when its time to vote... because none of them can conduct any official or legal business without an ID.
So then... OweBama been in office over 4 years now... they have been lbellyaching about this for well over 4 years... therefor EVERYONE that intends to vote has known for over 4 years its going to happen... so what's their excuse now?
Cut off thoese welfare checks.. or food stamps or Medicade unless they can produce a photo ID... and see how fast they can show one or get one.
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