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I have never had to hold my nose, no matter who the president was. Life goes on. I'm not holding my nose now, just shaking my head. I admit Bush's election had me running for the doors and leaving the rat race behind. He was a lousy business man and had numerous bankruptcies too. He ruined the great economy Clinton left him, and the dufus may well follow his pattern.

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I haven't been enthusiastic about a pres since Reagan and wouldn't give any of them a score better than "OK". Clinton was less than OK due to his veto of the ban on partial birth abortion and his terrible behavior in the Lewinsky scandal. Bush was OK. Obama was much less than OK and one of the worst presidents we've had in a century. H Clinton was the worst candidate in my lifetime. But I don't dispute your right to hold your own opinions. My greatest disappointment is our country's loss of the value of freedom and respect for life, and so turning to big government as our savior. The discovery that the feds can finance the budget with borrowed money will eventually be devastating to our country.

I think you place too much blame on government and not enough on irresponsible businessmen. They control the economy, and the flow of MONEY. If you don't have enough talk to your boss. Good luck with that, and let me know what he says.

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I think you place too much blame on government and not enough on irresponsible businessmen. They control the economy, and the flow of MONEY. If you don't have enough talk to your boss. Good luck with that, and let me know what he says.

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What's to prevent you from becoming a responsible businessman? Show them how it's done. Truthfully, I know quite a number of responsible businessmen. I was on the campus of Mississippi State University a few weeks ago and it just so impressed me how most of the buildings were constructed from donations from those business people. Went to the Lauren Rogers Museum of Art today in Laurel, Mississippi. Same deal there. So I'm not sure they are as irresponsible as you suggest.

Might add that we went to Mississippi State to see the U.S. Grant Presidential Library. Just still amazes me that we have that library in Mississippi. It is really nice and well worth seeing.

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Truthfully, I know quite a number of responsible businessmen.

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No, you don't. What you DO know is businessmen who think like you do - right-wingers. Businesses, excepting non-profits, are legally required to pursue profit as their primary reason for being. This is written into their Articles of Incorporation. Acting for the common good is a distant motivation - mostly not pursued at all other then by accident in the nature of the product or service. Shareholders can and will sue the business that puts anything ahead of profit.

I've noticed you throw terms around to suit your purpose du jour.

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No, you don't. What you DO know is businessmen who think like you do - right-wingers. Businesses, excepting non-profits, are legally required to pursue profit as their primary reason for being. This is written into their Articles of Incorporation. Acting for the common good is a distant motivation - mostly not pursued at all other then by accident in the nature of the product or service. Shareholders can and will sue the business that puts anything ahead of profit.

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Well Athos, you are an amazing person. You seem to have an ablity to sit hundreds of miles away and yet know all about the business people I know. I am impressed! However, you seem to have a rather limited idea about businesses. The vast majority of businesses don't have shareholders. They are either sole proprietorships or partnerships. And yes, I'm sure they would have to make a profit. Kind of hard to stay in business if they don't do that. Athos, how many businesses are you running that make no profit and yet still stay in business? How many people do you employ?

Regardless of your faulty understanding of the matter, I know a number of business people who are good people and use their money for good purposes. They are not all, as you put it, "right wingers", but they all have a sense of responsibility to the community. And no, I am not one of them. Retired school principal.

Networks are saying results are disappointing so far . Maybe the Russians interfered this year too . <sarc>

Evidently Trump paid the Russkies to elect a democrat house.

Repubs appear to retain the senate... you got the judges, but dems have the house... the purse strings, budgets and finally oversight and accountability of the dufus. Silly season is over and we get the lame duck shuffle. I heard that Nancy is sharpening her stick for one last shove up the Dufus's arse! Boy will he be hollering now!

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What network? FOX?

Watch Trump become a Democrat now that he has to deal with a Democratic House. He already has the Trumpian Senate in his pocket. He will completely ignore the Republican losses in the House and claim A) voter fraud, B) any Republican success the result of his campaigning, and C) false news.

If nothing else, Trump has become predictable.

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Repubs appear to retain the senate... you got the judges, but dems have the house... the purse strings, budgets and finally oversight and accountability of the dufus. Silly season is over and we get the lame duck shuffle. I heard that Nancy is sharpening her stick for one last shove up the Dufus's arse! Boy will he be hollering now!

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Trump is very comfortable dealing with Dems .He did it for years here in NY and Athos is right ;he is really for all intents and purposes a Dem when it comes to domestic issues . He likes big $$$ government projects .He does not mind spending the birthright of future generations . In reality he likes universal health care . His differences with them is regulations and border security .

So will the Dems work with Trump ? Not likely . If they spend the next 2 yrs trying to investigate Trump while getting nothing done with the Senate ;they'll be a perfect foil for the president setting him up with a decent chance to be re-elected.

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The actual quote was from George Stephanopoulos during ABCs coverage . I was flipping between ABC FOX and CNN and a local station for as long as I could stay awake.

and to show how much NY is a Democrat dictatorship ; the Rep in my district ,Nita Lowey (who because of Dem gerrymandering lives miles from my town ,on the other side of the Hudson River ,in a different county ) ,won virtually unopposed (she had to "fend off " a minor party challenger ) . She will most likely be that chair of the Appropriations Committee.that has in Tal's words their hands on " the purse strings, budgets" . Hold onto your wallets people !!!!!

So change is in the wind, it is an ill wind that blows no one any good

the Dems barely took the House . The Repubs gained in the Senate guaranteeing Trump 2 more years of selecting Federal Judges .
Andrew Gillum, Bill Nelson, and Stacey Abrams were all supposed to be in unbelievably tight races. In the end, they all finished behind their Repub opponents
The three competitive races that Obama re-emerged from (quasi) private life to try and whip.... all three lost. Even better ;EVERY Dem Senator who was in a race AND voted against Kavanaugh lost their race .

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Even better ;EVERY Dem Senator who was in a race AND voted against Kavanaugh lost their race .

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Exactly as they deserved.

Repubs didn't get a shellacking like the dems did in 2010, but DEMS gained enough to get a seat at the table of power. They broke the monopoly of power, and even in the senate repubs and the dufus can only still get judges through. Everything else requires DEMS, as it did before. Both sides got a lil' sumpthin, as we prepare for another election.

The take away for me was that turnout matters, and the more participation there is the better the dems do. Heck red states like Florida and Georgia got a wake up call and even red Texas is on notice. Dems thrived and Repubs survived for now.

Yeah turnout matters and at 36% you could hardly say it was democracy at work, 64% weren't interested, tells you something

here is a picture of Republicans rioting in the streets ;chanting ,shouting ;knocking over garbage cans after learning that the Dems had won the House .

https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...8a&oe=5C71BE79

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The take away for me was that turnout matters, and the more participation there is the better the dems do. Heck red states like Florida and Georgia got a wake up call and even red Texas is on notice. Dems thrived and Repubs survived for now.

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The most hits on Google yesterday was a site called Donde Votar ?https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...e-votar-google

At the request of the White House AG Jeff Sessions has tendered his resignation, FIRED to the uninformed... replaced by Session's chief of staff Matt Whitaker.

yup SOP for administrations at mid term.

And 4 Americans were killed in Benghazi while the Pres stood around and did nothing. Oh wait... that wasn't Trump, was it?