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Your argument is flawed, we're not flapping our gums about getting to Obama - you are. We're "flapping our gums" about a federal agency abusing its power to silence one side. They are STILL doing so as I pointed out the other day. I want it stopped, and I would want it stopped if the shoe were on the other foot. You, not so much apparently.
Hello again, Steve:In this great nation of ours, we have this thing called CHECKS and BALANCES... It's REAL important stuff. EVERY American is invested in it. Without it, we turn into a DICTATORSHIP... UNFORTUNATELY, that power is vested into the Republican House of Representatives, and falls to the House Oversight Committee, chaired by Republican Daryl Issa...Quote:
They are STILL doing so as I pointed out the other day.
If that ONE guy is a DUFUS, we ALL lose. And, he's a dufus of the highest order.
So, I ask you, Steve, if they're STILL doing it, where is the COP on the BEAT???? Why isn't HE stopping it? Don't TELL me he needs Obama's permission, or Eric Holder won't act right, so the IRS can get away with anything...
Nahhh... ISSA is the COP on the BEAT, and if the IRS is doing stuff, HE'S the guy who's letting 'em.
So, let me say this again, for the 1,000th time. If my president is a CROOK, I want him OUT OF THERE. If the IRS is DOING what you say they're DOING, I want them OUT OF THERE.
Why is Issa letting 'em get away with it????
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Hello again,
Since the blowup yesterday, and my BLASTING Issa, I've heard NOTHING from our resident right wingers... Is it because I'm SOOO off base that you can't find the words? Or, is it because I'm right on, and you, like me, feel cheated by the committee??
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I want Issa to get tougher, but I'm willing to wait a bit and see what happens. I know there's a problem, Lerner ADMITTED and apologized for it and I know the IRS is STILL doing it. Do you want it stopped, or is all you and Cummins worried about is does it go to the president?
Or like Debbie the liar do you believe it's SETTLED and Lerner LOST her job over it? Lerner RETIRED and not one person has been held to account.
I think Issa isn't getting tougher because Speaker Bonehead won't give him the marching orders to do so (He likes the fact that the TP was targetted too).
But why doesn't the emperor announce publically that he will not tolerate a cover-up of the scandal like Reagan did during Iran-Contra ? Why doesn't he insist that he will not tolerate anyone obstructing the Congressional and FBI investigation like GW Bush did during Plamegate ? Why doesn't he tell Louis Lerner that she should NOT take the 5th to cover for anyone other than herself. Why doesn't the adm release the documents that House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Dave Camp has requested ? Why doesn't the emperor direct his White House to cooperate ? If it was just "boneheaded decisions " without a "smidgeon of corruption " as the emperor contends ;then why does his adm stonewall ? Why did Lerner plea the 5th twice (the 2nd time after assuring Issa that she would testify) . I'd NEVER give her immunity after yesterday's stunt. There is no way that anyone above her would be held responsible . All she'd have to say is ;'yeah it was my idea ....I thought of the plan and directed it myself.' No one believes that. Come to think of it ;her silence is more reminiscences of the Mafia omerta as they took the 5th during Congressional investigations .
Why, Why, Why, Obama? you sound like Tom Jones, Why Why Why Obama?
Chairman Darrell Issa has released seven questions Lerner has refused to answer.
1. In October 2010, Lerner told a Duke University group: “The Supreme Court dealt a huge blow, overturning a 100-year-old precedent that basically corporations couldn't give directly to political campaigns. And everyone is up in arms because they don't like it. The Federal Election Commission can't do anything about it. They want the IRS to fix the problem.”
Who exactly wanted the IRS to “fix the problem” caused by Citizens United?
2. In February 2011, Lerner e-mailed her colleagues in the IRS: “Tea Party Matter very dangerous. This could be the vehicle to go to court on the issue of whether Citizens United overturning the ban on corporate spending applies to tax-exempt rules. Counsel and Judy Kindell need to be in on this one please. Cincy should probably NOT have these cases.”
Why did Lerner think the Tea Party cases were “very dangerous”?
3. In September 2010, Lerner e-mailed subordinates about initiating a “c4 project,” but wrote: “we need to be cautious so it isn't a per se political project.”
Why was Lerner worried about this being perceived as a political project?
4. Michael Seto, manager of EO Technical in Washington, testified that you ordered Tea Party cases to undergo a “multi-tier review.” He testified: “[Lerner] sent me email saying that when these cases need to go through multi-tier review and they will eventually have to go to Miss Kindell and the chief counsel's office.”
Why did Lerner order the Tea Party cases to undergo a “multi-tier review”?
5. In June 2011, Lerner requested that Holly Paz obtain a copy of the tax-exempt application filed by Crossroads GPS so that her senior technical advisor, Judy Kindell, could review it and summarize the issues for Lerner.
Why did Lerner want to have the Crossroads GPS application?
6. In June 2012, Lerner was part of an e-mail exchange about writing new regulations on political speech for 501(c)(4) groups “off-plan” in 2013.
Doesn't this “off-plan” effort from 2012 contradict Administration assertions that new regulations were written in response to the 2013 TIGTA report?
7. In February 2014, President Obama stated that there was not a “smidgeon of corruption” in the IRS targeting.
If this is true, why do House Democrats believe that Lois Lerner has a well-founded fear of criminal prosecution that allows her to claim the Fifth Amendment in refusing to testify?
Maybe we could have gotten closer to the answers if Issa had allowed questions from somebody other than himself.
Maybe if she spends some time sitting in a jail cell we'll get those answers too.
So she would have unplead the 5th for Cummings?Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Why ? You think that she suddenly would've waived the 5th ? I don't think so. Cummings didn't want to ask questions .He wanted to pontificate ....and in a way ,he succeeded in deflecting the compliant media's attention to the " injustice " of having his mike shut off .Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
That's Issa's story straight from Fox and his interviews. You can be partisan in your thinking but to say he can censor his own committee is against the rules of procedure in the house and deplorable. By rule once he was recognized Cummings had 5 minutes to state his question his way. Everyone on the committee has, even fellow republican members.
It's a committee hearing not a show for one member. I mean Issa took his turn didn't he?
At least Barney Frank takes time to explain why the dumb questions are rejected, unlike the blatant attempts at censorship by Issa.
well when Cummings has the gavel ,he can bang it . Isn't that what you always tell us .It's all about the raw power of having the majority ? Cummings had nothing to contribute except to assist in the stonewall. In a way he succeeded because all the compliant press (the 5th column .... oops I mean the 4th estate which has been asleep at the wheel for the last 5 years ) has reported is about the poor "racist " treatment of Cummings .
Rep. Cummings got the twofer when Rep. Issa recognized him. He either got to pontificate for 5 minutes, abusing the rules, or he got to distract from Lerner not answering again by arranging to be treated the way Waxman treated Issa.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
yeah forgot about that ..the time Waxman threatened to have Issa physically removed from a hearing .
So Issa has been a boob for a long time huh?
Deflecting from your own point. Issa didn't have the right to speak while the hearing was open but Cummings did after adjournment? That's some warped logic.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
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