I must have hit the nail right on the head since you couldn't come back with something better than that.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
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I must have hit the nail right on the head since you couldn't come back with something better than that.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
The Daily Caller article offers no evidence that Menendez is playing the race card, even though this is claimed in the headline and elsewhere. I realize the article says this is what he is doing, but the quotes by Menendez himself makes no such claim. What is going on here?Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Tut
Hello Tut:
The Daily Caller is run by one of the most right wing pundits in the known universe. But, that probably didn't have anything to do with it...Quote:
What is going on here?
Bwa, ha ha ha ha.
Excon
North Jersey.com is the home of the Newark Star Ledger and other left leaning publications in the NY /NJ region. This is the link the Daily Caller used... Menendez clearly played the race card .
Menendez, at Trenton church, says he has shared 'sting of discrimination' - NorthJersey.com
Stop blaming the wingers for taking sensational headlines and right wing bloggers as factual. They have a right believe whatever crap they want to!!
The headline in the North Jersey .com
The text :Quote:
Menendez, at Trenton church, says he has shared 'sting of discrimination'
So yes ,he is playing the race card ,blaming right wing bloggers for his problems resulting from his criminal and unethical behavior .Quote:
The Democrat from Hudson County blamed his current troubles, which include questions about his relationship with a contributor and the possibility of a Senate Ethics Committee investigation, on right-wing bloggers.
Speaking to a crowd of roughly 300 people who gathered at The Shiloh Baptist Church for a Black History Month celebration, Menendez appeared to surprise his own staff by using the venue to offer a spirited defense to questions that have dogged him for weeks. Before the speech, aides suggested that any questions about the issues would be cut off.
"I have felt the sting of discrimination,” he said, to cheers from the crowd, which included many members of the state Legislature and U.S. Rep. Donald M. Payne Jr. D-Essex. “It has never been easy.”
“Now we face anonymous, faceless, nameless individuals … seeking to destroy a lifetime of work,” he said. “In the end, I believe that justice will overcome the forces of darkness.”
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Originally Posted by tomder55
Absolute nonsense Tom.
The North Jersey article is accurate. It only ever mentions discrimination. There is no mention of racial discrimination in the so called left wing article. Compare this with the Daily Caller and you will see what I mean.
Tut
As opposed to the obvious leftist propaganda you defend?Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
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What type of discrimination do you think this Hispanic Senator is speaking to the largely black audience about ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuttyd
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Originally Posted by tomder55
No it doesn't. There are many different form of discrimination. Given his Hispanic background and given the fact there is no Hispanic race. The discrimination would be based on his ethnicity.
Hence the difference in the headlines.
Tut
A distinction without a difference . You are deluding yourself if you think the intent of Menendez's words were not to link his recent struggles to a racial issue .
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Originally Posted by tomder55
Of course there is a big difference between racial aspects and ethnic aspects . I am not talking about the impact on the individuals because that is similar.
Would you like me to Google the difference between biology and sociology for you?
Tut
No ;we can end this because you are nitpicking without being serious about the intent of Menendez' words .
I think the real issue with Menendez is where he was sticking his wiener... and in whom... (underage teen prostitutes in the Dominican Republic.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Sex tourism for the intent of playing with children in any other country is something that can be and has been pursued resulting in lengthy prison sentences.
Why should Menendez be given a break because he's Latino or a Democrat?
They should go after him with the same gusto they go after any other guy who have slept with underage girls.
Hello again, tom:
What should we call convicting somebody WITHOUT a trial, based on nothing more than rumor and innuendo?
excon
Being a Democrat?Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
You guys did this with BOTH Bushes as well as Regan. Not to mention Cheney and Carl Rove... and a number of other Republicans.
Really ? Is that the position you take with the Catholic church ?Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
The "war on women"?Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Tom, it's really very simple. Even if Menendez wanted to play the race card, he couldn't. Hispanism, as the name suggests is a cultural heritage. You can't play a card that doesn't exist. The card he is playing is the ethnic card because it is the only card in his cultural deck. He doesn't have a race card to play.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
You know, Logic 101 and all of that.
New Jersey.com got it right. Daily Caller got it wrong. That's a distinction with a difference.
Sorry ,you are wrong... he was making that statement to an African American audience to specifically play the race card. But to end this ridiculous debate... let's call it the minority card and end it there .
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Originally Posted by tomder55
Well, feel free to go through my above post and point out where I am wrong.
Prove that he went there to play the race card. And not his own ethnic card. Obviously you can't. You can no more prove that he went there for play the race card any more than I can prove that he went there to play the ethnic card.
It is not a trivial issue as you like to point out. It represents a difference between good journalism and sensationalist and misleading journalism.
No it represents your nit picking . Have a great day
There is nothing to nitpick, he was playing the race card and blaming his problems on conservatives.
From the race to card to a race baiting war on women, Progress Kentucky has launched an attack on an honorable woman, former Bush admin Labor Secretary and wife of Mitch McConnell, Elaine Chao, in their effort to unseat McConnell.
Apparently Kentuckians don't know she's "Chinese", discriminated against American workers and shipped your job to China.
She was actually born in Taiwan and moved here when she was 8 years old and as I've pointed out before, was another first in Bush's diverse administration as the first female Asian-American appointed to a Cabinet position. But hey, we all know she can't be an authentic minority or female as a Republican, so she's fair game for such attacks, right?
Okay, I will see your race baiting argument, and raise it with my own race baiting argument.
Scalia's Racial Entitlement Argument Reveals Ugly Truths, But No Surprises
Voting is a racial entitlement? What the hell is he talking about? Wingers on the right please explain?
While Rosa Parks was being honored, SCOTUS judge was talking this crap?
Rosa Parks didn't deserve the cult status she has... but then... look who is in the white house and have completely screwed up all the rest of his priorities are as well explains it all.
When is the :"Homie" Memorial coming? A Statue of a black man with his pants halfway to his knees honoring the inner city criminals that have fallen to the evil police and the Armed victims that took them down unfairly.
What do you expect from a man from a culture that praises welfare ho's for having 9 kids from 9 different fathers none of whom pay child support because Whitey owes them all a free ride for something that happened many generations ago.
Nice deflection from the fact that a liberal PAC is openly attacking a minority female. Funny how that never seems to bother your side when you do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
As for Scalia, the offending quote:
And in context:Quote:
“Now, I don’t think that’s attributable to the fact that it is so much clearer now that we need this. I think it is attributable, very likely attributable, to a phenomenon that is called perpetuation of racial entitlement. It’s been written about. Whenever a society adopts racial entitlements, it is very difficult to get out of them through the normal political processes.”
Apparently you guys on the left are just unwilling to consider the hard questions, one of which is when does guaranteeing nondiscrimination become preferential treatment? If we can't even discuss such things how the hell do we ever get come to an agreement?Quote:
The problem here, however, is suggested by the comment I made earlier, that the initial enactment of this legislation in a — in a time when the need for it was so much more abundantly clear was — in the Senate, there — it was double-digits against it. And that was only a 5-year term.
Then, it is reenacted 5 years later, again for a 5-year term. Double-digits against it in the Senate. Then it was reenacted for 7 years. Single digits against it. Then enacted for 25 years, 8 Senate votes against it. And this last enactment, not a single vote in the Senate against it. And the House is pretty much the same. Now, I don’t think that’s attributable to the fact that it is so much clearer now that we need this. I think it is attributable, very likely attributable, to a phenomenon that is called perpetuation of racial entitlement. It’s been written about. Whenever a society adopts racial entitlements, it is very difficult to get out of them through the normal political processes.
I don’t think there is anything to be gained by any Senator to vote against continuation of this act. And I am fairly confident it will be reenacted in perpetuity unless — unless a court can say it does not comport with the Constitution. You have to show, when you are treating different States differently, that there’s a good reason for it.
When is the justice Dept going to investigate over 100% turn out in some inner city districts ?
Sec 5 of the Voting Rights Act is the preclearance requirement that targets specific states for past discrimination . What Scalia was saying was that perhaps over time reality has changed in these states .
But it is less likely that the law will be changed in Congress because there is no advantage for a Senator to vote against the provision ,even when preclearance for the state is no longer warranted .
As Justice Alito said ;"There is no question that the Voting Rights Act has done enormous good. It's one of the most successful statutes that Congress passed in the twentieth century," But, he said, Congress may have failed to demonstrate that preclearance remains justifiable today—or that only some states should be selected for special scrutiny.
2009 SCOTUS gave Congress the chance to revisit this provision . They chose not to . The American population is far more mobile than it was in 1965 . Every section of the country ,especially the South has seen tremendous demographic shifts . Amending Sec 5 would not void the rest of the Voting Rights Act . It is something that needs a more serious scrutiny than a rubber stamp vote by Congress because that's the safe vote.
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Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Demonstrate by way of evidence that he was playing the race card. You can no more demonstrate this than I can demonstrate he was playing the ethnic card.
Tut
One doesn't stand in front of a black crowd at a Black History Month celebration , evoke the words and memory of Martin Luther King and play the "ethinic" card. He was clearly playing the race card.
Bedeviled Menendez confronts accusations with words of Martin Luther King | NJ.com
And speaking of the war on Women...
He, uh says he meant to say something else...Quote:
Connecticut state Rep. Ernest Hewett (D) made an inappropriate remark to a 17 year old girl testifying about a program that helped her overcome her shyness and get over her fear of snakes, the New London Day reports.
Said the girl: "I am usually a very shy person, and now I am more outgoing. I was able to teach those children about certain things like snakes that we have and the turtles that we have... I want to do something toward that, working with children when I get older."
According to an audiotape of the hearing, Hewett replied: "If you're bashful I got a snake sitting under my desk here."
I can see how that could be misconstrued...Quote:
Hewett said his remark came out wrong and he understood how it could be misconstrued. According to The Day of New London, he said Thursday: “What I meant to say was, if you are shy then I have an acre of land in the Everglades.”
At least he likes women unlike many of the republican/christian types who wander. :D
Cute, but I understand, Democrat perverts get a pass.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
From you maybe.
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Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Barney Frank of Massachusetts,
Tammy Baldwin of Wisconsin
Jared Polis of Colorado.
Mr. David Cicilline of Rhode Island;
Mr. Takano of California;
Sean Patrick Maloney of New York;
Kyrsten Sinema of Arizona, who is bisexual
Mark Pocan of Wisconsin.
Being gay is a bad thing?
NK had to pull it out of their bum... I just pointed out some of the Democrats that are...Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
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Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Of course one does. A person with an ethnic background who knows the difference between biology and sociology chooses their words carefully. This is why he doesn't mention any type of racial discrimination. He only talks about discrimination and the affinity he shares with his audience when it comes to discrimination. Menendez knows that when one talks about ethnic discrimination it is very similar to racial discrimination in terms of outcomes.
When you find the quote whereby Menendez claims he knows what it is like to be racially discriminated against, then you have your evidence. Until then the media opinion is just that- an opinion. It is an opinion in exactly the same way as my claim that Menendez know the difference between biology and sociology is an opinion
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