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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

And Benghazi is a joke compared to the number of contractors (287) killed in Iraq that no one seems to talk about.

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If Benghazi was a joke after four deaths ... what does that make Watergate?

So if Obama admits to arming jihadists/rebels and that was Stevens mission then you guys are cool?

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Stevens was not in Benghazi on 9-11-12 doing any 'diplomatic ' mission.

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He was in Libya... not a friendly country or stable country by any means. You trying to reduce the argument again so that it fits a very narrow rule that you've defined. He accepted the risks, just like those contractor deaths that you so easily dismissed.

not at all . It is horrible policy that was covered up so he could keep a false narrative about his foreign policy in place through the 2012 elections. But admitting his failed and secret policy to the American people would at least keep his promise of a transparent adm.

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It is horrible policy that was covered up so he could keep a false narrative about his foreign policy in place through the 2012 elections.

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Yes, that is indeed the right-wing talking point that is repeated ad nauseum. Good little sheep...

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He was in Libya... not a friendly country or stable country by any means. You trying to reduce the argument again so that it fits a very narrow rule that you've defined. He accepted the risks, just like those contractor deaths that you so easily dismissed.

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Why were we still in Benghazi ? Every other nation had bugged out because of the risks. Why did Evita refuse his requests for more security ?What was he doing in Benghazi on a day that were knew there was a heightened risk ? Why was he meeting a Turkish representative in Benghazi ,the site of a secret "mission " instead of Tripoli where the American Embassy was located ?
The emperor hasn't come close to answering any of these questions ;and I don't care how long it takes to get answers from him . His administration ;the State Dept ,the Defense Dept ,and the CIA have to give adequate answers instead of the false narrative they've tried to peddle .

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But admitting his failed and secret policy to the American people would at least keep his promise of a transparent adm.

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Obviously he isn't going to bring his own rope to your hanging.

fine then Gowdy will do the job. You forget ;it's still young in the process. Even with the press on the case ,it took until August of 1973 to find the smoking gun against Nixon. .

you are still supposing there is a smoking gun, rather than there being bad judgement

let's start with the truth . Answer the questions about the policy .Answer the questions about the obvious cover up.
Here's one for ya . EVEN if a military unit could not show up in time to assist in the attack ;Why wasn't a unit sent to secure the compound . Geeze ! it took weeks for the FBI to show up and sift through the ashes . It was an American press contingent that found the Ambassador's diary ! . What useful intel walked out the doors in the days and hours after the attack ?

And for the Geographically challenged, The American Sigonella Naval Air Station in Sicilly Italy has had a rapid reaction force based there for EXACTLY such a problem in north Africa for decades. And it was a 45 minutes away.

capability is one thing, action and willingness to act another. Without boots on the ground what are you going to do? If you land without permission that is invasion although I recall it hasn't stopped you in the past (Cuba, Granda, Panama come to mind and I'm sure there are countless other instances)

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capability is one thing, action and willingness to act another

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They were prepared, staged and ready to take off... and a number of Top Officers were fired by Obama (and long Military carreers ended and ruined) for not standing down and just allowing it to happen, or saying anything about it. The unwillingness was 110% at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue... not anyplace else.

Yes strategy is a bumber isn't it. Just kill something doesn't really wash any more. You have never really learned the term expendiable have you. It's this we are the best, we have got to win complex you have been educated with. Look, maybe Obama is a , he obviously doesn't look for military solutions but then he was never in the military, whereas Kennedy and even Bush had some experience and took decisive action, but it eventually led to disasterious war.

Learn the lessons of history, sometimes you just can't act

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Yes strategy is a bumber isn't it. Just kill something doesn't really wash any more. You have never really learned the term expendiable have you. It's this we are the best, we have got to win complex you have been educated with. Look, maybe Obama is a , he obviously doesn't look for military solutions but then he was never in the military, whereas Kennedy and even Bush had some experience and took decisive action, but it eventually led to disasterious war.

Learn the lessons of history, sometimes you just can't act

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It was an Embassy... if anyone attacked any other embassy in the world... that would be an act of war... Obama is a festering Rectum that surrounds himself with even less intelligent yes men or his fragile ego would collapse under its own weight.

Put Some Mortars into the Chinese Embassy or the Russian Embassy anywhere in the world and see how long it would go without a harsh reaction.


Personally, If I was an ambassador under Obama, or a State Dept Employee working at any foreign station... I'd quit... knowing my safety carried absolutely NO importance to the White house.

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It was an Embassy... if anyone attacked any other embassy in the world... that would be an act of war... Obama is a festering Rectum that surrounds himself with even less intelligent yes men or his fragile ego would collapse under its own weight.

Put Some Mortars into the Chinese Embassy or the Russian Embassy anywhere in the world and see how long it would go without a harsh reaction.


Personally, If I was an ambassador under Obama, or a State Dept Employee working at any foreign station... I'd quit... knowing my safety carried absolutely NO importance to the White house.

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Democrats have been writing off Embassy personnel since Carter. If even Gerald Ford had been in office then we would never have heard the term "jihad." Now it may no longer be possible to assert Embassy sovereignty.

Yeah... Obama wrecked a lot of things, including the Military. He's a bigger threat to the USA than Putin or China are combined.

After Carter screwed up in Iran, Reagan screwed up in Lebanon. How selective is your memory?

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After Carter screwed up in Iran, Reagan screwed up in Lebanon. How selective is your memory?

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We didn't have advance warnings for Lebanon like we had Under Clinton when they tried to blow up the WTC with a Van-bomb... and they treated it like shoplifting, or when Sudan tried to hand him over and Clinton tried to say, no controlling Authority... leaving OBL free to plan and execute 9/11, Which might not have happened if Bill Clinton had not legally prevented the FBI from talking to the NSA and CIA.

Regan also once and for all Shut up Momar Qaddafi with the threats and lines in the sand when we blew up his house and killed one of his inbred sons.

Obama would have been on his knees groveling and apologizing... as he was seen doing numerous times the last 6 years.

WTC was Bush/Cheney, NOT Clinton, and it got us in Iraq again for 10 years. Watch it, or the emperor will send drones instead of raccoons to your house.