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  • Feb 11, 2013, 09:21 AM
    excon
    Hello again, smoothy:

    Look. I'm NO apologist for Bill Clintoon. YOU, on the other hand, appear to be apologizing for the systematic rape of 1,000's and 1,000's of innocent children..

    In my view, to compare the two is OUTRAGEOUS. But, that's just me.

    excon
  • Feb 11, 2013, 09:32 AM
    talaniman
    Geez smoothy because catholics are afraid to challenge the Pope, how does that compare with what repubs did to Clinton? Now when I see the pope in court, then we can compare it. Fact remains though, no matter who is at fault, the catholic church has little credibility when it comes to protecting children, and women.

    But they are great at protecting themselves, I will concede that.
  • Feb 11, 2013, 09:41 AM
    speechlesstx
    Look, if you guys want to distract from the issue at hand and attack the Catholic church why not start a new thread? None of us support child abuse, all of us expect accountability, but it is irrelevant to protecting OUR right to religious freedom.
  • Feb 11, 2013, 10:05 AM
    talaniman
    I thought it was settled Speech because YOUR rights are for you to decide. I have already decided no church will stand between me and the God that I understand and MY rights to protect me and mine and pursue MY happiness through Good Orderly Direction.

    I really don't have a problem with YOU, or the church pursuing YOUR rights, be it on Sunday, or a court date. Just don't expect ME to let YOUR rights interfere in MINE. Then we have a problem.

    As the spirit moves you.
  • Feb 11, 2013, 10:31 AM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Geez smoothy because catholics are afraid to challenge the Pope, how does that compare with what repubs did to Clinton? Now when I see the pope in court, then we can compare it. Fact remains though, no matter who is at fault, the catholic church has little credibility when it comes to protecting children, and women.

    But they are great at protecting themselves, I will concede that.

    Let me start by stating I'm not a Catholic (but my wife is)... but the Pope hasn't been charged much less convicted of anything.

    And there are plenty of crooks in any slice of the population you might chose to pick... even among the Law Enforcement community.

    The Catholics don't have that market cornered by any definition of the word. And in fact I could argue certain other groups are far worse than they are..
  • Feb 11, 2013, 10:46 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    I thought it was settled Speech because YOUR rights are for you to decide. I have already decided no church will stand between me and the God that I understand and MY rights to protect me and mine and pursue MY happiness thru Good Orderly Direction.

    I really don't have a problem with YOU, or the church pursuing YOUR rights, be it on Sunday, or a court date. Just don't expect ME to let YOUR rights interfere in MINE. Then we have a problem.

    As the spirit moves you.

    Not sure what any of that has to do with the government violating religious freedom but OK.
  • Feb 11, 2013, 10:53 AM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, tom:

    See the movie.

    excon

    What movie ? Send me a link . I'm sure it treats Catholics as fair as most of the media .
  • Feb 11, 2013, 11:01 AM
    speechlesstx
    He would be referring to this.
  • Feb 11, 2013, 11:23 AM
    tomder55
    Father Lawrence Murphy molested deaf boys in Milwaukee in the 1950s,and Pope Benedict is responsible and should go to jail ? I can tell you that when the revelations started to come out ,Pope John Paul II asked Cardinal Ratzinger (now the Pope) to investigate the various reports . If anything this Pope has shed sunshine on the problem. He was not involved in covering it up.
  • Feb 11, 2013, 11:33 AM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    excon, Bill Clinton should have gotten Jail time for the Perjury conviction he got. And yes he WAS convicted of it.

    If any of us had committed perjury.....we would have done time in jail for it. A not insignificant ammount of time in jail.

    The Pope has not been accused much less convicted of a single case of child abuse.....unlike a certain former president.

    You see ;covering up pedophilia should be the exclusive domain of the MSM... and the Obama DHS .

    ABC news knew of allegations involving Senator Menendez on May 2, 2012, and sat on the story.. and DHS covered up their investigation of an illegal alien child abuser that Menendez hired until after the elections.
  • Feb 11, 2013, 11:34 AM
    speechlesstx
    Right, I believe the words ex used were the Catholic church is "a CRIMINAL organization."
  • Feb 11, 2013, 04:29 PM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Right, I believe the words ex used were the Catholic church is "a CRIMINAL organization."

    No I think he said it is an organisation used by criminals
  • Feb 11, 2013, 04:46 PM
    smoothy
    I specifically remember the actual words Criminal organization used... on more than one occasion... but I think that might have been other threads.
  • Feb 11, 2013, 05:10 PM
    excon
    Hello again,

    What significant difference does it make what I called it? It's an organization RIFE with criminals, RIFE with enablers, and RIFE with people who kept it secret...

    Now, I don't care WHAT you want to call it, but it should be DISBANDED and PROSECUTED.

    excon
  • Feb 11, 2013, 05:23 PM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again,

    What significant difference does it make what I called it?? It's an organization RIFE with criminals, RIFE with enablers, and RIFE with people who kept it secret...

    Now, I don't care WHAT you want to call it, but it should be DISBANDED and PROSECUTED.

    excon

    I think the same about the Democrat Party... you just described them perfectly.
  • Feb 11, 2013, 05:49 PM
    excon
    Hello again, smoothy:

    I don't know WHY you think child molesters are wonderful people... I don't know WHY you keep defending them.. You HATE Democrats, and you HATE illegal aliens, but you LOVE baby rapers...

    I don't understand it. But, I'll NEVER understand right wing thinking.

    excon
  • Feb 11, 2013, 05:51 PM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, smoothy:

    I dunno WHY you think child molesters are wonderful people... I dunno WHY you keep defending them.. You HATE Democrats, and you HATE illegal aliens, but you LOVE baby rapers...

    I don't understand it. But, I'll NEVER understand right wing thinking.

    excon

    Remember Barney Frank... Know who Menendez is.. (the drive by media is in a near full coverup mode with him right now) .they are part of the democrat party.
  • Feb 11, 2013, 07:12 PM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    I specifically remember the actual words Criminal organization used....on more than one occasion...but I think that might have been other threads.

    Another case of someone being factually incorrect for whatever reason. The Catholic Church has undoubtedly harboured persons who are criminals and have committed criminal acts, this is misguided for whatever reason. For some reason, known only to themselves, the molesting of children doesn't register in their mind as a criminal act and those who have harbour criminals don't see themselves as criminal but by some stupid twist as trying to restore the individual and protect the reputation of the Church without realising it is impossible to do either. When you serve God he will ensure truth
  • Feb 11, 2013, 07:18 PM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    another case of someone being factually incorrect for whatever reason. The Catholic Church has undoubtedly harboured persons who are criminals and have committed criminal acts, this is misguided for whatever reason. For some reason, known only to themselves, the molesting of children doesn't register in their mind as a criminal act and those who have harbour criminals don't see themselves as criminal but by some stupid twist as trying to restore the individual and protect the reputation of the Church without realising it is impossible to do either. When you serve God he will ensure truth

    And right now the Democrat party and their cohorts in the Media are avoiding the very REAL topic of Democrat Senator Menendez and child prostitutes in the Dominican republic...

    Robert Menendez Scandal Unfolds - NYTimes.com

    And its not the first Democrat caught in sex scandals.

    Look deep enough and you are going to find something rotten in every segment of society... even in your own home country.
  • Feb 11, 2013, 07:21 PM
    paraclete
    Smoothy look deep enough and you are likely to find politicians of any hue caught is sex scandals. The left aren't the only ones with such tendencies, just those stupid enough to get caught
  • Feb 11, 2013, 07:24 PM
    excon
    Hello again, smoothy:

    Your attempt at moral equivalence falls just as flat as the others did...

    I ask you again, what is it about child molesters that you find so appealing? Why do you find the need to apologize for them?

    excon
  • Feb 11, 2013, 07:38 PM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, smoothy:

    Your attempt at moral equivalence falls just as flat as the others did...

    I ask you again, what is it about child molesters that you find so appealing? Why do you find the need to apologize for them?

    excon

    Menendez was doing exactly what with Children in the Dominican Republic... and HE hasn't been thrown under the bus yet... and its CURRENT. THey covered for Barney Frank stretching the sphincter of an underage male intern for a very long time.

    When the Dems clean up their own house first... then we can talk...
  • Feb 12, 2013, 07:58 AM
    speechlesstx
    The only problem smoothy is the left celebrates their perverts.
  • Feb 12, 2013, 08:09 AM
    talaniman
    The right puts their pervert on a pedestal and worships them as godly. If they are rich enough to payoff the victims, and stay out of jail.

    Of course they are rich enough to hide their scandals.
  • Feb 12, 2013, 08:12 AM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    The right puts their pervert on a pedestal and worships them as godly. If they are rich enough to payoff the victims, and stay out of jail.

    Of course they are rich enough to hide their scandals.

    The liberals call theirs Mr. President. Congressman or Senator.
  • Feb 12, 2013, 08:14 AM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    the liberals call theirs mr. President., congressman or senator.

    Bam !
  • Feb 12, 2013, 08:24 AM
    NeedKarma
    So you guys think Obama is a pervert?
  • Feb 12, 2013, 08:42 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    So you guys think Obama is a pervert?

    I believe the reference is to Clinton.
  • Feb 12, 2013, 08:49 AM
    NeedKarma
    He was referring to all liberal presidents, congressmen or senators.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by smoothy

    The liberals call theirs Mr. President., Congressman or Senator.

  • Feb 12, 2013, 08:58 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    He was referring to all liberal presidents, congressmen or senators.

    No, he wasn't Mr Grammar guy. There was no number stated or inferred let alone all inclusive. The reference is to status and position, not quantity.
  • Feb 12, 2013, 10:04 AM
    NeedKarma
    So you think Clinton is a pervert then?
  • Feb 12, 2013, 10:10 AM
    tomder55
    Yes and a rapist;and so is Menendez
  • Feb 12, 2013, 10:19 AM
    NeedKarma
    So Clinton is a rapist too now? Interesting.

    What is your criteria for someone to get the "pervert" and "rapist" labels?
  • Feb 12, 2013, 10:22 AM
    speechlesstx
    Mine is to be a pervert and a rapist.
  • Feb 12, 2013, 10:24 AM
    tomder55
    Oh I don't know... a pattern of abusing women including Paula Jones, Kathleen Wiley ,Gennifer Flowers , Juanita Broaddrick (who he raped ) ,Monica Lewinsky... and probably other unnamed women he's raped abuse or taken advantage of .

    Edit.. Eileen Wellstone... I knew I forgot one rape victim.
  • Feb 12, 2013, 10:37 AM
    NeedKarma
    Juanita Broaddrick - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Doesn't look like rape to an awful lot of people including people are are smarter than you.

    Also:
    Quote:

    The Clinton White House released details of 15 letters and 12 telephone messages that Willey had sent to Clinton after the alleged incident. In all of these, she appeared friendly and eager for more contact with Clinton.
  • Feb 12, 2013, 10:38 AM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    Mine is to be a pervert and a rapist.
    LOL, you'd make a terrible lawyer.
  • Feb 12, 2013, 10:54 AM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    Juanita Broaddrick - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Doesn't look like rape to an awful lot of people including people are are smarter than you.

    Also:

    Yeah all the women are lying .
  • Feb 12, 2013, 11:03 AM
    tomder55
    Or maybe it's Clinton who's the liar
    Mr. Clinton's Disbarment Case - NYTimes.com

    Guess it depends on what the meaning of the word "is " is.
  • Feb 12, 2013, 11:05 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    LOL, you'd make a terrible lawyer.

    Wasn't trying to be, Mr Grammar King.

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