Hello again, tom:

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But know I see through it.

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The problem with Ted Cruz and the right wing press, is they really DON'T believe the crap they spew. They just hope YOU do - and YOU do.

Certainly, if the leadership of the Republican party agreed with you, they'd use ALL the tools available to them, and actually GET to the bottom of it.. But, they, like me, KNOW there's no there there, and a REAL investigation would REVEAL that... Instead, they try to make as much political hay as they can.

I'm surprised you buy into it. You don't really think congress is TOOTHLESS, do you? Tell me, am I wrong about issuing subpoenas?? Am I wrong about giving Lois Lerner use immunity, so she can TELL what she knows?? Am I wrong about JAILING her if she doesn't comply??

You say, that would start a Constitutional crisis... So.. Isn't USING the IRS for political purposes ALREADY a Constitutional crisis??

Excon

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, tom:
The problem with Ted Cruz and the right wing press, is they really DON'T believe the crap they spew. They just hope YOU do - and YOU do.

Certainly, if the leadership of the Republican party agreed with you, they'd use ALL the tools available to them, and actually GET to the bottom of it.. But, they, like me, KNOW there's no there there, and a REAL investigation would REVEAL that... Instead, they try to make as much political hay as they can.

I'm surprised you buy into it. You don't really think congress is TOOTHLESS, do you?? Tell me, am I wrong about issuing subpoenas??? Am I wrong about giving Lois Lerner use immunity, so she can TELL what she knows??? Am I wrong about JAILING her if she doesn't comply???

You say, that would start a Constitutional crisis... So.. Isn't USING the IRS for political purposes ALREADY a Constitutional crisis???

excon

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Congress is not toothless but it is not the executive branch either . To get to the bottom of it requires either executive cooperation or a court intevention . You know it and I know it .
Even with Congress being held over-whelming by the Dems ,it took well over a year to conclude Watergate... and even then it only happened when the Repubics in Congress walked into the White House and told Nixon that they could no longer support him . You know and I know that never has an impeachment resulted in a conviction by the Senate .
So don't tell me about Congressional power . They have oversight and the power of the purse ,that's it.

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only by implication is it linked ...they would not have made those comments except to respond to my complaint about the IRS ;and they reduced it to a "sky is falling" charge without any merit . We are told by the adm and their flunky praetorian press that 'there's nothing there ' .So I understand their strategy of marginalizing legitimate issues when their emperor is involved . But know I see through it.

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Tom, think about the logical implications of what you have said. Here is your quote again in part:

"Maybe in your countries these type of tactic are SOP and a given.But, in a free nation that should be an unacceptable outrage"

Apparently in your country these tactics are SOP as well .The implication is that "other" countries are not free nations because of these tactics. Therefore...

I'll let you fill out the rest

Duh . Yes if the ruling party can use the force of the law and the agencies of the government for political purposes ,then there is no real liberty.

Hello again, tom:

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duh . Yes if the ruling party can use the force of the law and the agencies of the government for political purposes ,then there is no real liberty.

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It's TRUE! I don't want a corrupt government.. But PROOF is required before TRUTH can be determined.. One side flapping their gums, is NOT truth.

Excon

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Hello again, tom:
It's TRUE! I don't want a corrupt government.. But PROOF is required before TRUTH can be determined.. One side flapping their gums, is NOT truth.

excon

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Finally we got excon to admit that Obamas side has been doing nothing but lying to the American public.

That's the problem with hollering about everything, and no solid proof of anything. Nobody believes you.

Funny how that doesn't stop your side from hollering about everything still, though.

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That's the problem with hollering about everything, and no solid proof of anything. Nobody believes you.

Funny how that doesn't stop your side from hollering about everything still, though.

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Hope you are standing in front of a Mirror when you say that... because it applies to you and your side too.

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Hello again, tom:
It's TRUE! I don't want a corrupt government.. But PROOF is required before TRUTH can be determined.. One side flapping their gums, is NOT truth.

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One name refutes all your arguments... Lois Lerner . Remember ,the Dems had nothing on Nixon until John Dean started "flapping his gums" ,and the court ordered him to release his tapes. But I'm willing to bet that didn't stop you from making the accusations before the smoking gun proof.

Well if you think that Lois Lerner is John Dean, make her talk. I would if I were Issa.

Really ? How would you do that when she pleas the 5th ? Don't tell me immunity.. that won't compel her to talk. John Dean turned out to be a lefty who was more than willing to talk.

Hello again, tom:

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Don't tell me immunity.. that won't compel her to talk

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Uhhh, YES it will. She talks, or goes to jail. You shouldn't get your law from FOX News.

Excon

Until Issa figures it out, you got nothing. Guess she ain't a righty willing to talk. Guess you guys can't prove she knows anything to talk about. If you did she would be indicted already before a grand jury.

Like Ex says, you guys got nuthin'. Now what? More hollering, more scandals?

Really... I guess if you go before Congress your 5th amendment rights are waived against your will. I can't imagine what news agency you got that from.

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Until Issa figures it out, you got nothing. Guess she ain't a righty willing to talk. Guess you guys can't prove she knows anything to talk about. If you did she would be indicted already before a grand jury.

Like Ex says, you guys got nuthin'. Now what? More hollering, more scandals?

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And which Federal prosecutor working for Holder will do the indictment ?

Hello again, tom:

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I guess if you go before Congress your 5th amendment rights are waived against your will.

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In a sense, yes.

The reason WHY we have 5th Amendment rights in the first place, is so you can't be compelled to INCRIMINATE yourself.. But, if you've been promised that you WON'T be prosecuted for ANYTHING you say, NOTHING she could say WOULD incriminate her.

It's ELEMENTAL law. As a tool, it's been around for a LONG, LONG time. Hannity doesn't know that stuff. I do.

Excon

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and which Federal prosecutor working for Holder will do the indictment ?

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You have to have evidence first. Got any? Naw, you don't, just partisan suspicions and accusations.

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You have to have evidence first. Got any? Naw, you don't, just partisan suspicions and accusations.

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I have video evidence .
Lois Lerner Discusses Political Pressure on IRS in 2010 - YouTube

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duh . Yes if the ruling party can use the force of the law and the agencies of the government for political purposes ,then there is no real liberty.

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Very good. So its potential is universal. On this basis we can amend your original statement from "maybe in your countries" to "in all countries".

I'm speechless.