I'm not the one whining, just explaining why you shouldn't listen to a business man blame Obama care for what's been a problem for a long time in this country. I also question not just the why but the who that's moaning and groaning, since I know for fact that some businesses are eyeing expansions, and upgrades to their businesses, as soon as the law is fully implemented. So as one sided as your arguments are, you cannot discount the good the law will do as a whole.

The health care industry as a whole may show more growth than it already has. You mean Amarillo hasn't seen expansion of hospitals and clinics? Dude even the county run hospital are getting bigger. Those are good job being created so screw the problems of the hamburger flippers and shelf stocker industries. You better get some skills and make some money.

Can't believe you have been missing all this.

I persoanlly know a couple doctors that are closing up their practices. They told me as much... and it is because of Obamacare.

My mom's doctor has almost completed his electronic medical records upgrades, my primary doctor already has, and share files, and test results with my specialists, AND insurance provider and yes I have access to every bill submitted with the codes and what was paid.

Not everyone will know how to make the system work for them, nor understand it very well but the knowledge is out there if you are willing to learn, and are patient with the learning curve. I can safely predict long term pricing of drugs and services stabilizing in as little as 3 years, and that alone will be great for consumers.

It can't be too bad since more republican governors are going for it after they get away from the reporters and cameras. Even Rick Perry is embracing the changes, while he renamed it and swears its his idea now.

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I'm not the one whining, just explaining why you shouldn't listen to a business man blame Obama care for what's been a problem for a long time in this country. I also question not just the why but the who that's moaning and groaning, since I know for fact that some businesses are eyeing expansions, and upgrades to their businesses, as soon as the law is fully implemented. So as one sided as your arguments are, you cannot discount the good the law will do as a whole.

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Dude, the last post was about the public sector following suit with part timers, not businesses.

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the health care industry as a whole may show more growth than it already has. You mean Amarillo hasn't seen expansion of hospitals and clinics? Dude even the county run hospital are getting bigger. Those are good job being created so screw the problems of the hamburger flippers and shelf stocker industries. You better get some skills and make some money.

Can't believe you have been missing all this.

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Amarillo's health care has grown for decades, we're a regional health center and if you'd paid attention I've often said my wife is in the health care industry so I've seen it from both sides for years. What's happening is providers are consolidating, joining large practices and getting bought out by those same giant corporate beasts you hate - and you're going to see more of that as the little guys get squeezed out and doctors just plain get fed up with the whole system. It's already been reported many times here how many doctors are getting out or planning on it thanks to, you guessed it, Obamacare.

You can be all cheery and "hopeful" but the fact is so far there hasn't been much good news come out of this monstrosity.

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What's happening is providers are consolidating, joining large practices and getting bought out by those same giant corporate beasts you hate - and you're going to see more of that as the little guys get squeezed out and doctors just plain get fed up with the whole system.

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Typical of what happens when there is over regulation. It's been demonstrated many times. The good news is that the few remaining cronies will be 'too big to fail'.

I have provided links many times to the hospitals buying up the private practices, none of which has anything to do with Obama Care but is corporate greed. I was trying to tie the public sector and the private sector knee jerk reaction together to how you that the so called business/ municipal managers are stuck on stupid, and lazy in finding ways to cope with an old problem and changing times.

This is nothing new for small rural towns, and counties who have always been strapped for cash, and who have needed to upgrade for decades. But until you have looked at the balance between people and profits, you will blame the wrong person, for the wrong reason, and find the wrong solutions.

Trickle down economic cannot work in a consumer driven economy. That's the basic problem, no circulation is the result. That why Romney's plan was a loser last year.

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typical of what happens when there is over regulation. It's been demonstrated many times. The good news is that the few remaining cronies will be 'too big to fail'.

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I love it when you blame over regulation as a reason companies cannot make even huger profits than they already do. And we should adapt the economics of third world countries to succeed.

This isn't a socialist country... businesses are rarely owned by the employees. So they take what the company offers or they go down the street to another company that will offer them more.

If they actually have any value as an employee they shouldn't have any trouble doing that.

You will never have value if you let anyone tell you what they think you are worth, and pay you less. That's why those good factory job are way across the water, and that 20 years you spent lands you at the mercy of a kid with pimples telling you how lazy, slow, and useless you are. And your old buds don't know you. Tell me again how valuable you are to your company who are probably looking to replace you once they find a young kid who is just a sharp, but takes less money, benefits and work longer hours.

Count your blessings while you have them. And keep doing what the boss tell you. And PS, the guy down the street don't want your old, tired, arrogant a$$. You just think he does.

The coolest thing about all this is that it's going to be the unions that drive the final nail into this folly .

Likely the unions will negotiate good terms for it members. That's what they do. Blue collar guys may have different needs than others, especially the seasonal ones.

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Just look at James Hoffa's rant about Obamacare .The emperor gets on his soap box all the time claiming to be looking out for the interests of the "middle class" .
The truth is that this folly ,if allowed to be implemented will be the biggest factor in the demise of the "middle class" . As the letter correctly points out ,Obamacare will “shatter not only our hard-earned health benefits, but destroy the foundation of the 40 hour work week that is the backbone of the American middle class.”

Of course they are hoist on their own petard . It was clear in 2009 that Obamacare incentivizes companies to make the adjustments that many are making ;and MOST will make eventually . Yet the unions sent out their shock troops to promote the plan ;and to help reelect the emperor.
Truth told of course is that unions destroy American jobs already. But they weren't doing it fast enough for the man who wants to fundamentally transform the country .

The banks destroyed American job, and the middle class, supporting corporate America's chasing cheap labor around the globe. This goes back to Bushes "New World Order", and Reagans union busting.

Or the republican goal of solving health care starting with Nixon was a sham to curry votes, and not a principle they believed in. Maybe all the bluster of wanting a strong middle class is more right wing BS, and you don't mean to include anyone that doesn't assimilate and follow your rules (principles), and methods.

You guys always ask why should you give compromise your principles? Yet turn around and make others give up theirs and adopt yours. It's not going to happen. The founders were wise to have regular elections, even if they never foresaw the lengths some go to change the rules, to keep power.

No wonder you long for the good old days, when you could do as you please, and make others bend to your will.

"The Banks" didn't destroy anything... Liberal policies did it.

Businesses exist to make money for their owners... every single disgruntled employee out there has the opportunity to start their own if they think they can do it better.

You have the loony right wing version of reality down pat.

Only the left believes only the elite are ALLOWED to start their own businesses.

What reality do you live in where there are NO privately owned businesses?

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Only the left believes only the elite are ALLOWED to start their own businesses.

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The recession has caused myriads of ordinary people to start their own small business/cottage industry. Over the years, I started my own resume/job coaching business, renegade counseling business, and freelance editing business. And the last thing I am is elite. And I wasn't disgruntled -- just an overachiever looking for ways to use up my extra energies.

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Only the left believes only the elite are ALLOWED to start their own businesses.

What reality do you live in where there are NO privately owned businesses?

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You are making that up, why I don't know, must be the stuff you read.

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"The Banks" didn't destroy anything....

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Of course they did. Have you read a single newspaper or watched a TV news show at any time in the last 5 years?

The banks FRAUDULENTLY sold worthless securities KNOWINGLY, causing the world wide financial collapse. This is NOT in dispute.

You need to get out more.

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Of course they did. Have you read a single newspaper or watched a TV news show at any time in the last 5 years?

The banks FRAUDULENTLY sold worthless securities KNOWINGLY, causing the world wide financial collapse. This is NOT in dispute.

You need to get out more.

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The dispute comes from how we got there in the first place. That is where the liberals come into the big picture. They created laws that forced the banks to do what they did. They forced a realestate bubble and allowed people that couldn't afford a home to buy one anyway.