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But make sure they aren't unionized. Volunteer would be best.

What would have stopped "that guy" would have been no access to guns.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

But make sure they aren't unionized. Volunteer would be best.

What would have stopped "that guy" would have been no access to guns.

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Come on, if someone wants to kill people they will find a way.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Come on, if someone wants to kill people they will find a way.

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Twenty first graders (after six adults) with a Bowie knife? A bow and arrow? A big rock?

Why make it easy?

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Twenty first graders (after six adults) with a Bowie knife? A bow and arrow? A big rock?

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A pickup, a molotov cocktail, some fertilizer...

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The Oklahoma City bombing was a terrorist bomb attack on the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in downtown Oklahoma City on April 19, 1995. It would remain the most destructive act of terrorism on American soil until the September 11, 2001 attacks. The Oklahoma blast claimed 168 lives, including 19 children under the age of 6,[1] and Injured more than 680 people.[2] The blast destroyed or damaged 324 buildings within a sixteen-block radius, destroyed or burned 86 cars, and shattered glass in 258 nearby buildings.[3][4] The bomb was estimated to have caused at least $652 million worth of damage.

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A pickup, a molotov cocktail, some fertilizer...

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That would have taken some thought and planning. This way was much easier with almost instant gratification. Yay, guns!

Now, what about the buses and the bus stops?

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That would have taken some thought and planning. This way was much easier with almost instant gratification. Yay, guns!

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As if he didn't plan the massacre?

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As if he didn't plan the massacre?

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How would you prefer to kill 26 people, with a semi-automatic rifle or a rock?

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That would have taken some thought and planning. This way was much easier with almost instant gratification. Yay, guns!

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You think the attack was impulsive ? Nahh he planned the attack for a long time. This was a premeditated shooting attack.Why do you think he destroyed his hard drive ? He jungles taped magazines to his rifle so he could quickly reload . The idea that smaller magazines would've made a difference is wishful thinking . He did not stop shooting until the cops came. He had all the time all the time in the world to reload until the cops showed up .

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He had all the time all the time in the world to reload until the cops showed up .

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But smaller magazines would have been more unwieldy and a pain and fewer kids would have been shot.

.maybe.. he shot each multiple times . He had that much time.

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But smaller magazines would have been more unwieldy and a pain and fewer kids would have been shot.

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Do you know how many semiautomatic handguns with 10 rounds I could fit in a jacket, on my belt, in my pants pockets, waistband, etc.

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Do you know how many semiautomatic handguns with 10 rounds I could fit in a jacket, on my belt, in my pants pockets, waistband, etc.?

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But then you would have had to fish around for them and take time to load each one. Let's have a contest -- me with 30-round magazines and you with 10-round ones and see who can load and fire the fastest and hit the most targets.

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But then you would have had to fish around for them and take time to load each one. Let's have a contest -- me with 30-round magazines and you with 10-round ones and see who can load and fire the fastest and hit the most targets.

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I really don't think you want to take that bet.

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I really don't think you want to take that bet.

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You're right. Too easy for me

Maybe we cannot always predict or prevent a loony from popping up with bad intentions but we can get known criminals and drive by guys and dope dealers from getting guns from straw purchasers, and pawn shops.

The Newton killer was trained to shoot instead of sent for help. The Colorado punks had issues that were known, and the Arizona dude was just had to easy of a time of it. To say we should just do nothing is unacceptable.

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Maybe we cannot always predict or prevent a loony from popping up with bad intentions but we can get known criminals and drive by guys and dope dealers from getting guns from straw purchasers, and pawn shops.

The Newton killer was trained to shoot instead of sent for help. The Colorado punks had issues that were known, and the Arizona dude was just had to easy of a time of it. To say we should just do nothing is unacceptable.

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No one that Im aware of is saying to do nothing. But why is it that the mental health aspect of all this including the drugs they were taking not a part of the conversation ? Should we continue to be so quick in passing out drugs like candy that have side effects so bad its causing an epidemic to occur ?

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No one that Im aware of is saying to do nothing. But why is it that the mental health aspect of all this including the drugs they were taking not a part of the conversation ? Should we continue to be so quick in passing out drugs like candy that have side effects so bad its causing an epidemic to occur ?

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What do you suggest? (I've read no report yet that Adam Lanza was taking any drugs. Most mass murderers have stopped taking the prescribed drugs and have descended into their psychosis that the drugs kept them from experiencing.)

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What do you suggest?

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I suggest it be allowed as part of the solution that may be in order. At least address the problem at its core. It will require a harder look at how our rights are applied but it may be needed as a way to address the problem.

There are many forms it can be applied in. Some persons should not have the right to purchase a gun if in a high risk category. The problem is patient privacy rights. How we address that will have to be a part of the debate. HIPPA is keeping many doctors from reporting things as well as the fine line between treatment and trust. If a person knows they will lose a right by seeking help then why would they seek help in the first place? Its one of many landmines we will have to walk through to address the problems we are having.