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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Parents owe it to their kids to bring them up with a healthy knowledge about and respect for their own bodies as well as respect for others'. That's what is missing today.

As long as a parent loves their children and is not abusive or neglectful I really don't find your point relevant. Parents have the right to raise their children their way, and when the kids get out the door and everything their parents have taught them is undermined by the school, Planned Parenthood or some other authority what do you expect?

This is exactly again what I suggested before, that liberal policies led to this mess and their answer is more liberal policies undermining more parental rights. Just ask Ex, he already said it, parents don't have rights in his book. What's missing today are those things weakened and demonized just as I said.

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that liberal policies led to this mess

What are some conservative policies that schools and families should institute to make things better?

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

What are some conservative policies that schools and families should institute to make things better?

I'm not suggesting "conservative policies," I said I believe "as long as a parent loves their children and is not abusive or neglectful" they "have the right to raise their children their way." What I refer to are what used to be common sense policies that we all valued. Even Tal agrees with me that parents should have the say, do you?

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

What are some conservative policies that schools and families should institute to make things better?

I will tell you one that needs to come back. That is allowing children to fail. When you play a game there is always one side that loses. Sometimes you actually do need to study to pass a test or you can get a bad grade. Sometimes when children play they are going to get hurt. It is part of life. Cuts and scapes happen to the best of us. They need to fall on occasion so they can learn how to pick themselves back up. We can't protect and coddle the children from the world and then expect them to perform when they get into the real world. They need to learn critical thinking and be able to apply it later in life.

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Originally Posted by califdadof3

I will tell you one that needs to come back. That is allowing children to fail. When you play a game there is always one side that loses. Sometimes you actually do need to study to pass a test or you can get a bad grade. Sometimes when children play they are going to get hurt. It is part of life. Cuts and scapes happen to the best of us. They need to fall on occassion so they can learn how to pick themselves back up. We can't protect and coddle the children from the world and then expect them to perform when they get into the real world. They need to learn critical thinking and be able to apply it later in life.

Absolutely, and that is one of those values both sides used to share.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

of course it is not the exclusive domain of liberalism .
Decadence is a luxurious self-indulgence. It is often used to describe a decline due to an erosion of moral, ethical, or sexual traditions.

In the United States case it can be traced to the things Speech described .If it makes you feel better ..I'll call it progressive policies.

Well Tom, there is your answer. Liberalism has made decadence accessible to the majority. You think it should be the exclusive domain of the wealthy?

Tut

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Originally Posted by Tuttyd

Well Tom, there is your answer. Liberalism has made decadence accessible to the majority. You think it should be the exclusive domain of the wealthy?

Tut

Then again ;we can always trace liberalism to the Roman Bread and Circuses .

I think we all have a hand at segregating a large part of the population to poverty and a lack of viable options to raise healthy kids. Its more serious than idealogical finger pointing.

All that's does is loses yet another generation and create even more dysfunctional parents who don't have a clue.

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Its more serious than idelogical finger pointing.

For the righties on this board it is ALWAYS ideological finger pointing. It's what excites them.

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

For the righties on this board it is ALWAYS ideological finger pointing. It's what excites them.

And trolling excites you

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and trolling excites you

Nonsense, one has to simply look at the posts here or one other threads.

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Originally Posted by califdadof3

I will tell you one that needs to come back. That is allowing children to fail. When you play a game there is always one side that loses. Sometimes you actually do need to study to pass a test or you can get a bad grade. Sometimes when children play they are going to get hurt. It is part of life. Cuts and scapes happen to the best of us. They need to fall on occassion so they can learn how to pick themselves back up. We can't protect and coddle the children from the world and then expect them to perform when they get into the real world. They need to learn critical thinking and be able to apply it later in life.

This is the best post made in this thread. I bet we all agree this would be a Good Thing to happen in our world. What can we do to get the word out?

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Originally Posted by tomder55

then again ;we can always trace liberalism to the Roman Bread and Circuses .

Tom, you are the political philosopher here. Perhaps you can tell me about ancient liberalism.

Tut

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originally posted by califdadof3
I will tell you one that needs to come back. That is allowing children to fail. When you play a game there is always one side that loses. Sometimes you actually do need to study to pass a test or you can get a bad grade. Sometimes when children play they are going to get hurt. It is part of life. Cuts and scapes happen to the best of us. They need to fall on occasion so they can learn how to pick themselves back up. We can't protect and coddle the children from the world and then expect them to perform when they get into the real world. They need to learn critical thinking and be able to apply it later in life.

>greenie<

Hello again,

Nahhh.. There's no war on women...

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A right wing lawmaker in Iowa is trying to define abortion as murder.

"Those charged with murder, under the bill, would include a mother who takes abortion-inducing drugs or a doctor who performs an abortion. It also grants no exceptions for rape, incest or to protect the life of the mother." Right winger Rep. Rob Bacon believes abortion is murder and he wants the Iowa Code to reflect that.

Bacon and eight other Republicans introduced such a bill in the Iowa House Wednesday. It would alter the definition of a person in murder cases to “an individual human being, without regard to age of development, from the moment of conception, when a zygote is formed, until natural death.”

“It's to protect the life of the unborn,” Bacon told the Tribune. “There's still some of us that believe life begins at conception.”

Those charged with murder, under the bill, would include a mother who takes abortion-inducing drugs or a doctor who performs an abortion. It also grants no exceptions for rape, incest or to protect the life of the mother.

Excon

I'm so confused. I thought the lib mantra these days was "If it only saves one life" .

Hello again, tom:

And, I thought the right wing mantra, was OBEY the Constitution. Guess we're BOTH wrong.

excon

What do you expect from the party that hollers about rights, and principles, while they nullify a woman's constitutional rights to an abortion and denies then access to contraceptives and other health care.

We should change the title to this thread to a war on poor women AND their children, since they are the victims almost exclusively of republican right wing hypocrisy and lies. I mean if they can't even understand rape, then surely its too much for them to grasp that woman are people too with guaranteed constitutional rights as important as theirs.

But NOOOOOOO!! They want a female in the kitchen, barefoot and pregnant and helpless and dependent, while they keep their weapons at he ready for the tyrants of the king.

That's why those loonies on the right bear watching because they are serious about taking their country back. Just think if they had ONE jobs bill for every abortion bill, we would all have two good paying jobs. That's why the right wing wants power, and that's what they do with it when they get. They eliminate every right and principle, but their own. And tell you there is NO WAR on women, and holler about their constitutional rights.

Believe them at your own peril!

Hello tal:

**greenie**

excon

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We should change the title to this thread to a war on poor women AND their children

Nahhh that was Margaret Sanger's grand design when she created 'Planned Parenthood.
We can chalk the Dems up as the party of eugenics too.

Don't think you will slice and dice and justify repubs ZEAL for restricting the rights of others to further their own religious agenda on the non believer for their own good. That's crap, and we all know beneath the thin veneer of righteousness we have the heavy hand of tyranny by you guys.

The war on PP is the direct war on the people who don't have the means to defend themselves against your agenda because the ones that can afford a private physician don't even listen, nor care about the crazy stuff you guys holler about.

You guys are nothing but bullies and stalkers because nationally your ideas and policies have been rejected decisively, and you can only find solace in the regional pockets that you cheat to keep. And in many of those you will be yet again rejected.

Its only a matter of time. Just keep hollering so you keep being exposed.

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Rome's Leviathian was a one world government like the libs dream of today. . Rome put their people on Bread and Circuses... the equivalence of the modern nanny welfare state.To pay for this largess ,the Romans slashed military spending and debased the currency . The emperors created a massive bureaucracy to run the government... same here .Values deteriorated ,same as modern post-constitutional secular liberal America. Infanticide was practiced in the declining decadent Roman Empire same as post Roe liberal America. Romans persecuted the Christians .Obama's liberal America wants them to do things that violate their religious conscious .
Rome made no effort to control it's borders and massive influxes of Germans crossed the Roman open borders . The libs want open borders here . The reasons are the same. They wanted the cheap labor to do the menial tasks that was beneath the subsidized populace.But of course they needed the alien population because abortion, and infanticide had taken it's toll .
The middle class of Rome were the merchants and traders . In the earliest days of the Republic Rome's taxes were modest, consisting mainly of a wealth tax on all forms of property, including land, houses, slaves, animals, money and personal effects. Beginning with the third century B.C. Rome began to tax the middle class out of existence... just like the good ole USA .

That' s the very basic comparison.

“If Sparta and Rome perished, what state can hope to last forever?” ( Rousseau'The Social Contract.')

Well Tom we will welcome the decline of this empire too, it has already contracted its boundries letting go of some of its conquests, but the USA was never Sparta and never Rome so it doesn't have as far to fall. Empires don't last as long as they used to

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Tut why do you keep deleting your replies ?

Perhaps he thought better of the comment, I sometimes do but the limited ability to alter anything means there is only one alternative

I was going to address his eugenics comment.

Hello again, tom:

Well, why don't you address the Pope QUITTING this morning?? I guess he READ my posts.. He should be in JAIL!!

excon

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Hello again, tom:

Well, why don't you address the Pope QUITTING this morning??? I guess he READ my posts.. He should be in JAIL!!!

excon

Obama and Bill Clinton are both walking the streets... they should both be in JAIL.

Yeah nice.. he's resigning because of health!! The sex abuse scandal did not happen under his watch ;and he has addressed it in policy decisions and actions including assigning a prosecutor to the case.

Hello smoothy:

I didn't know the right wing was SOOOO pro child abuse. You learn something every day on this website.

Let me see if I can figure this out.. Clinton LIED about having sex with ONE adult. The Catholic church, on the other hand, as an ORGANIZATION, MOLESTED thousands and thousands of children, and ruined their lives...

Obama committed NO crime, except being born black.

How you can conflate these issues, and say they're the same is actually quite insane.. Does it surprise me that the right wing is out of touch with reality?? Nahhhh. I pay attention.

excon

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The Catholic church, on the other hand, as an ORGANIZATION, MOLESTED thousands and thousands of children, and ruined their lives...

Absolutely not true... it was individual priests committing the crime and rogue Bishops covering it up . It was not an organizational decision... unless you take into account the opening up the priesthood to abusive homosexuals after Vatican II .

Hello again, tom:

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absolutely not true... it was individual priests committing the crime and rogue Bishops covering it up .

That's what I thought. Then I saw the movie, and I don't think that anymore.

You sound like an apologist for the church... If there weren't so many of you, this would have been over years ago, and countless other children would have been SAVED from RAPE.

See the movie.. I don't expect it'll convince you, but see it anyway.

Excon

PS> (edited) So, you think the release of the move a WEEK ago, and this resignation is simply coincidental? This hasn't happened in 719 years...

Pro child abuse? You've gone off the deep end.

Hello again, Steve:

When members of an organization commit CRIMES, and their leaders COVER it UP, you'd call it organized crime. So would I.

You TOO sound like an apologist for the Catholic church.

excon

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Hello again, Steve:

When members of an organization commit CRIMES, and they're leaders COVER it UP, you'd call it organized crime. So would I.

OK.

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You TOO sound like an apologist for the Catholic church.

Excon

For calling you on your "pro child abuse" nonsense? I thought you were for having rational discussions.

Defending first amendment rights does not make one "pro child abuse" any more than going to school in Indonesia makes Obama a Muslim.

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You sound like an apologist for the church

absolutely not . I have joined Catholic organizations that are demanding accountability .

Hello again, tom:

See the movie.

excon

excon, Bill Clinton should have gotten Jail time for the Perjury conviction he got. And yes he WAS convicted of it.

If any of us had committed perjury... we would have done time in jail for it. A not insignificant amount of time in jail.

The Pope has not been accused much less convicted of a single case of child abuse... unlike a certain former president.