Ask Me Help Desk - The IRS scandal

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you live in a society that is full of fear, thus your present dilemna. Our society operates on a different dynamic. Trust didn't come easy, but we do know you have nothing to fear but fear itself.

Same here. But the right-wing rhetoric is based on fear. Their threads here are perfect evidence of that.

Yes their sky is always falling, the rich never have enough and will never share

Something about the government targeting political opposition with tax audits and delays in approvals because of their political views that lends to this lack of trust . Maybe in your countries those type of tactics are SOP and a given. But, in a free nation that should be an unacceptable outrage.

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Originally Posted by paraclete

yes their sky is always falling, the rich never have enough and will never share

I think that if it weren't for the obviouse leanings of our current press it wouldn't be an issue. Before when I was growing up the press had a great amount of respect and was considered nuetral. Fast forward to today's times and it seems that the press is little more then a puppet of only one side of the political machine. The feeling at least as far as I have been seeing is that we have lost our control over the checks and balances that have made this system work.

Within that loss is the brewing of a great mistrust by those that are willing to participate in a governmental process. Also there is a great divide between those trying to participate and those that are just being sheeple and following party lines without any independent thinking. That is where the sinking ship feeling is being derived from.

There is a reason you guys hate the lame stream media. They report the crazy positions and the crazy things you say. Go ahead keep throwing the red meat around, but don't be surprised when a hungry bear gets a whiff of it. When you don't push back on the lunacy you get more lunatics, and when you purge your own party of anyone that ain't crazy, you get more press on the lunatics that you push to the front of the crowd.

Blame the media, it hasn't changed, YOU have. You have created a climate of fear within your own party. You outlaw debate and compromise and replace it with hollering, and rock throwing and hell bent on destroying anything you don't approve of, even your own.

And if you think this is mainstream America, you're crazy.

Hello again, tom:

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.. in a free nation that should be an unacceptable outrage.

In a FREE nation, one MAKING such complaints ought be able to PROVE them, instead of just flapping their gums. Alas and alack, that's ALL we have here.

Excon

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Originally Posted by talaniman

There is a reason you guys hate the lame stream media. They report the crazy positions and the crazy things you say. Go ahead keep throwing the red meat around, but don't be surprised when a hungry bear gets a whiff of it. When you don't push back on the lunacy you get more lunatics, and when you purge your own party of anyone that ain't crazy, you get more press on the lunatics that you push to the front of the crowd.

Blame the media, it hasn't changed, YOU have. You have created a climate of fear within your own party. You outlaw debate and compromise and replace it with hollering, and rock throwing and hell bent on destroying anything you don't approve of, even your own.

And if you think this is mainstream America, you're crazy.

Did you have your coffee this morning? If you can't see the problem then maybe your just part of it? If the media was so impartial then wouldn't they have followed through on any number of scandals that have been in the forefront of this administration? Had a republican been in office rest assured that their treatment of the scandal would have been a vile one. But with this administration its swept under the rug time and time again.

The problem with your form of compromise is that it hurts the very people you claim to be helping. Why should anyone compromise on that?

Hello again, dad:

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If the media was so impartial then wouldn't they have followed through on any number of scandals that have been in the forefront of this administration?

OR, in the alternative, they DID investigate, and found NO scandal at all.

I believe I've mentioned on these pages exactly WHAT Daryl Issa COULD do, IF he really wanted to INVESTIGATE.. IF the matter IS serious, (and I believe using the IRS to target your political enemy IS serious), then there are PLENTY of tools available to the congress. It HAS oversight, and it has the POWER to use it - IF they wanted to. Our founders did NOT leave the congress TOOTHLESS.

I KNOW why they don't. The MEDIA knows why they don't. You should too.

Excon

What wing rhetoric is based on fear? I don't recall righties warning Romney was going to take your tampons away.

Romney lost by 5 million fraudulent votes. AFTER you kicked a few million off the voter rolls. You guys FAILED again, and still blamed US.

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You outlaw debate and compromise and replace it with hollering, and rock throwing and hell bent on destroying anything you don't approve of, even your own.

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Speaking of the emperor...

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Originally Posted by tomder55

Something about the government targeting political opposition with tax audits and delays in approvals because of their political views that lends to this lack of trust . Maybe in your countries those type of tactics are SOP and a given. But, in a free nation that should be an unacceptable outrage.

Fear works against freedom. When you spend so much time being fearful then the inevitable consequence is that you impose limitations on that freedom.

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Originally Posted by Tuttyd

Fear works against freedom. When you spend so much time being fearful then the inevitable consequence is that you impose limitations on that freedom.

It works that way in religion too. That's when fences are built.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

It works that way in religion too. That's when fences are built.

Exactly.

Very perceptive.

What a bunch of BS . For 8 years I heard stories of Bush setting up FEMA concentration camps . Was that "fear " justified ? Here we have documented cases of the IRS auditing political opponents and denying applications of political opponents and I'll say it again... it's an outrage!

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Originally Posted by Tuttyd

Exactly.

Very perceptive.

I lived for years inside those fences.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

what a bunch of BS . For 8 years I heard stories of Bush setting up FEMA concentration camps . Was that "fear " justified ? Here we have documented cases of the IRS auditing political opponents and denying applications of political opponents and I'll say it again ....it's an outrage ! .

I am not saying that fear isn't justified and I am not saying that outrage isn't justified under the circumstance. My statement was in relation to the fear factor, nothing else. What I said was:

Fear works against freedom. When you spend so much time being fearful the inevitable consequence is that you impose limitations on that freedom.

On this basis, how is my comment B.S. Your point about the circumstances being played out is irrelevant to the point I am making. Care to refute this?

So you made a statement out of context to the discussion then ?

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Originally Posted by tomder55

so you made a statement out of context to the discussion then ?

I understand what the OP has posted. However, you responded to accusations by a number of people who pointed out that fear and distrust is an issue in the debate. Nowhere that I can see in these responses do these people say that fear and distrust is not justified. I was responding to these comments by linking them to your comments about freedom.

I hope this clear it up.

Only by implication is it linked... they would not have made those comments except to respond to my complaint about the IRS ;and they reduced it to a "sky is falling" charge without any merit . We are told by the adm and their flunky praetorian press that 'there's nothing there ' .So I understand their strategy of marginalizing legitimate issues when their emperor is involved . But know I see through it.