Hello again,

I LOVE the way people who've NEVER run a restaurant KNOW how to run a restaurant.. Well, I've run restaurants. Restaurants are friends of mine. You're no restauranteur.

excon

I've worked in a restaurant... our best friends own and run a restaurant, several in fact... and yes I know far more about what goes on there than I really should.

Hello again, smoothy:

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I've worked in a restaurant... our best friends own and run a restaurant, several in fact...

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That's almost as good as staying in a Holiday Inn Express..

Excon

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Hello again, smoothy:
That's almost as good as staying in a Holiday Inn Express..

excon

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No its not... its way different.


And like I said... I know far more about the business side of that as well than I really should... but we've been really close friends for 18 years... I've set up their computers in the past... Ithey have linked Point of Sale systems now... and checked out their rerefridgeration system more than once advising them on what to expect... (they fired their guy for cheating them shortly after that and got a new contract with a different company). And I know all about the other things going on in there... ( so I know more about what goes on there than most of their employees do... except their general Manager).

SO I know almost as much as someone that's done it for a short time... and a lot more then most that haven't.

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I won't even bother with how UPS is cutting coverage for employee spouses, the school district that just made all it's substitute teachers part-timers or anything like that, just a note that unions are still not happy with Obamacare, especially in Dingy Harry Reid's state. They seem to be upset about that oft-quoted promise of if you like it you can keep it being broken...



OK, carry on.

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Citing ObamaCare spiraling costs as a reason, the University of Virginia has announced that spouses of University employees who have access to health insurance through their own jobs will no longer be eligible for health insurance coverage.

U Va was a public supporter of ObamaCare

Working spouse provision:

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Starting Jan. 1, spouses who have access to coverage through their own employer will no longer be eligible for coverage under U.Va.'s plan. Spouses who do not have coverage elsewhere can remain on the employee's plan, and coverage of children is not affected.. .

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University Employees Will See Significant Changes to Health Plan This Year | UVA Today

The university projected a $7.3 million increase to the cost of their plan in 2014 alone.

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again,

I LOVE the way people who've NEVER run a restaurant KNOW how to run a restaurant.. Well, I've run restaurants. Restaurants are friends of mine. You're no restauranteur.

excon

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I beg your pardon, I have managed in two restaurants and my first job was a cook for two years - I did just about everything but sign the checks and order supplies in that job.

Hello again, tom:

Obama should have NEVER given the key to his success to the insurance companies.. He only did that in hopes of getting Republicans on board. It was NEVER a tactic if the left.. Single payer, of course, would FIX all of that.

Do you know if we took what we spend on health care now, and adopted single payer, everybody would have all the health care they need, and we'd have enough left over to buy a couple of aircraft carriers every year? Really, we would.

Now, it IS true, that insurance company CEO's won't be able to make MILLIONS and MILLIONS, and then a few more MILLIONS... But, right wingers are the only ones going to be crying for them...

excon

And they call themselves business savvy? Husband and wife work and have insurance both interchangeable primary, and secondary, so they lose nothing. In addition if they project a 7 million dollar increase in 2014, they should be hollering and crying to the company they use.

What insurance companies don't jack their customers? Maybe they should be looking at the state exchanges for a better deal, or use their considerable clout for a sweeter deal with the existing company.

I guess whatever the market will bear doesn't play into this crying, bltching, and moaning by the business class, huh? I didn't see all this crying when the middle class was being reduced to poverty, and consumers were deleveraged through debts and derivatives, so don't holler now.

I cry every time I hear that sorry excuse for the emperor. If that's truly what the left wants then that is what they should've proposed to the American people . But they didn't because they knew it had zero chance of passing .
Instead they shoved this cr@p sandwich down our throats in a dead of the night vote before all the lame ducks left town. Yeah they will get what they want all right .

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Hello again, tom:

Obama should have NEVER given the key to his success to the insurance companies.. He only did that in hopes of getting Republicans on board. It was NEVER a tactic if the left.. Single payer, of course, would FIX all of that.

Do you know if we took what we spend on health care now, and adopted single payer, everybody would have all the health care they need, and we'd have enough left over to buy a couple of aircraft carriers every year?? Really, we would.

Now, it IS true, that insurance company CEO's won't be able to make MILLIONS and MILLIONS, and then a few more MILLIONS... But, right wingers are the only ones gonna be crying for them...

excon

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If we'd get the third party out of the way altogether we could all save money on health care.

Lets see consumer, care provider, insurance company. Who gets kicked to the curb?

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Lets see consumer, care provider, insurance company. Who gets kicked to the curb?

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What, you think I'm a fan of insurance companies?

And now for the public sector joining the nation of part timers...

Local governments cutting hours over Obamacare costs

At least Obama didn't promise "if you like your job you can keep your job" as one of Obamacare's benefits. Did he?

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Other supporters of the law suggested the cuts could actually cost counties and cities more money than if they simply paid for part-time workers' health-care costs.

“There are some costs of doing business where it really does cost you more money to have multiple people on the job,” said Gary Burtless, a senior fellow of economic studies at the Brookings Institution. “Why would you create more jobs than you need to at 20 hours a week, when if you're really responding to the Affordable Care Act you would assign people to work 29 hours a week?”
“I don't think this is going to be a big direct-cost burden for counties and municipalities,” Burtless added.

Mercantante, the Middletown administrator, says it's the uncertainty that's driving his town's actions. “Towns are going to have to start looking at different types of health-care packages to offer to people given the new mandates, but I can't tell you what those are going to be or how much they're going to cost us,” he said.

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They can guesstimate all they want to, but that's all it is, a guess, since nowhere have any detractors said they have tried negotiating better long term deals with the carrier. That would be the first thing a business or municipality should have done already rather than depend on current or past trends concerning costs.

Its just good business to negotiate with vendors and carriers and explore options with competition and use the leverage you have. A large customer base. So cry me a river about so called business leaders and managers that don't have a clue about doing business. We have talked of this before but still you only see one side.

Think about it. Cutting workers hours of those who are already part time is the dumbest thing a businessman can do to himself. Let me know when you figure out that more fulltime workers yields a greater leverage than less, or NONE.

It's a LOT cheaper having two part time workers doing 20 hours a week each than it is one full time worker doing 40 hours...

Because you have the high cost of Obamacare with the 40 hour worker but not the 20 hour workers. Because that cost kicks in at 30 hours... but not at 29.5 hours.

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Its a LOT cheaper haveing two part time workers doing 20 hours a week each than it is one full time worker doing 40 hours...

Because you have the high cost of Obamacare with the 40 hour worker but not the 20 hour workers. Because that cost kicks in at 30 hours...but not at 29.5 hours.

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So what's the point of two 20 hour workers. What you save on wages you may lose on productivity, and experience. That may be great for McDonalds or Walmart, but the Costco's that pays better wages and benefits is outperforming them both so which business model would you prefer to follow?

Seen any disgruntled Costco workers striking, picketing, and protesting? How much is that worth?

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So what's the point of two 20 hour workers. What you save on wages you may lose on productivity, and experience.

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And the employee turnover is huge with only/mostly part-time workers. And company loyalty is totally absent. Screwing the company (theft of supplies, sloppy work, etc.) becomes a problem.

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So what's the point of two 20 hour workers. What you save on wages you may lose on productivity, and experience. That may be great for McDonalds or Walmart, but the Costco's that pays better wages and benefits is outperforming them both so which business model would you prefer to follow?

Seen any disgruntled Costco workers striking, picketing, and protesting? How much is that worth?

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Well... multiply that across a workforce.


Also most of the jobs that would happen with are the trained monkey jobs that are usually considered entry level.

The ones that really take experience and skill... are going to be better paying jobs. And as I'm sure you've seen for yourself... not everyone is born with those skills... or will ever learn them.

There are people that really are not smart... and don't have the capacity to learn a highly skilled trade. Not counting the ones that do have the ability... but are just too lazy to make the effort.

Tal, you can whine and moan and tell us once again how those greedy corporations making gazillions of dollars aren't smart business people (think about it) but I'm just reporting what's happening in the real world. In the real world people are losing their jobs and getting hours cut due to Obamacare - even in the public sector now. You can't just excuse that away.

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And the employee turnover is huge with only/mostly part-time workers. And company loyalty is totally absent. Screwing the company (theft of supplies, sloppy work, etc.) becomes a problem.

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Most of the people that don't have the intelligence or the skills for better jobs are the same people that show up when they feel like it and don't show a lick of loyalty themselves.

Yes I know enough employers and that is a problem (finding people that even show up on time or at all) even with jobs that need a higher education and skillset.