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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

No, my dad needs nursing home care, but one would expect them be proactive, not expect us to make sure he's healthy and safe.

It doesn't work that way. In fact, it has NEVER worked that way. Nursing homes give physical on-the-spot care (clean you up, give you meds [hopefully the right ones], change your bed and your pjs every now and then, do your laundry [maybe, without losing it]). You yourself or your family has always had to be your best advocate for maintaining mental and physical health when in a nursing home.

I've been a family member dealing with elderly relatives and nursing homes for years. Both my MIL who insisted on staying home and who died last year at 93 and my own mom who also insists on living at home and is 89 realized a nursing home is not where they want to be. There are huge efforts being made to keep elderly relatives at home and managing with family help and visiting nurses/community helpers. I'm sorry, speech, that's not possible in your dad's situation.

Sorry, I don't buy it. If a patient is obviously sick they need to take action.

Likely that's a ambulance trip to the hospital. Nursing homes generally cannot perform diagnostic tests. Nor administer any meds not prescribed by doctors. Licensing and liability issues.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

Likely that's a ambulance trip to the hospital. Nursing homes generally cannot perform diagnostic tests. Nor administer any meds not prescribed by doctors. Licensing and liability issues.

It's the VA, they have a staff physician.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Sorry, I don't buy it. If a patient is obviously sick they need to take action.

Nope. They can alert the family if they see a need, but it's the family's responsibility to make something happen (a doctor to come in or the patient to go somewhere) if tests are needed, medical care changed, etc. My husband several times a week would visit his aunt in her very nice nursing home (her son and husband had already died, so she gave my husband POA). It fell to him to monitor her health and coordinate with the nursing home to make sure she received the appropriate care.

***ADDED And the same with a VA nursing home.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Nope. They can alert the family if they see a need, but it's the family's responsibility to make something happen (a doctor to come in or the patient to go somewhere) if tests are needed, medical care changed, etc. My husband several times a week would visit his aunt in her very nice nursing home (her son and husband had already died, so she gave my husband POA). It fell to him to monitor her health and coordinate with the nursing home to make sure she received the appropriate care.

***ADDED And the same with a VA nursing home.

Excuse me, but don't tell me what kind of care my dad is supposed to be receiving. It is a skilled nursing facility and it is their responsibility to recognize a medical need.

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I think you mean sorry for trying to do the impossible with the improvable.

That too I guess. It aint being sorry for lying to the American people and deceiving us with a false narrative about the law being rammed down our throats. He claimed in his interview he was sorry people are losing their plans even after the claim he made multiple times that if you like your plan and your doctors you could keep them.
Obama: "I'm sorry" Americans are losing insurance - CBS News
What was really sorry was his self serving apology . He's not at all sorry that people are losing their insurance plans. The worse is yet to come when his one year delay of the employer mandate is over ;and millions of Americans lose their insurance.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

That too I guess. It aint being sorry for lying to the American people and deceiving us with a false narrative about the law being rammed down our throats. He claimed in his interview he was sorry people are losing their plans even after the claim he made multiple times that if you like your plan and your doctors you could keep them.
Obama: "I'm sorry" Americans are losing insurance - CBS News
What was really sorry was his self serving apology . He's not at all sorry that people are losing their insurance plans. The worse is yet to come when his one year delay of the employer mandate is over ;and millions of Americans lose their insurance.

Intended consequences often lead to unintended consequences. No doubt there will be many more unintended consequences to come. Unfortunately the quantum computer is still in the infancy stage.

Nah ,this was an intended consequence. Oh the web site is an unplanned circumstance mostly due to the collective hubris of the Obots... but the people losing their plans... they knew that would happen .

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Originally Posted by tomder55

Nah ,this was an intended consequence. Oh the web site is an unplanned circumstance mostly due to the collective hubris of the Obots... but the people losing their plans... they knew that would happen .

Tom, I think you are giving credit where credit isn't warranted.

Nah they knew .
U.S. Departments of Health and Human Services, Labor, and Treasury Issue Regulation on ?Grandfathered? Health Plans under the Affordable Care Act
The generous interpretation is that they knew everyone would have to transition into a plan that the Obots approved . But that is NOT how it was sold.

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Hello again, tom:

So, if you have sh!t insurance, why would want to keep it if you can get BETTER insurance through the exchange???

excon

If you read the grandfather clause it basically leaves most private policies in the hands of the companies that sold them. Should have been tightened up long ago, but righties can't read, and think companies can do what they want to make money any way, so what's the right wing beef?

You didn't care if consumers and workers get screwed by for profit private companies before, now all of a sudden you care?

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, tom:

So, if you have sh!t insurance, why would want to keep it if you can get BETTER insurance through the exchange???

excon

That would be my choice.. right.. I may have many reasons to not want what the exchanges are offering... maybe as simple as I like the price. Maybe I don't need all the things that are now being mandated . No one has proven to me that the exchanges are going to be less expensive. Certainly the evidence so far is the opposite .
Again ,the essential point is that the emperor lied repeatedly about it .

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Originally Posted by talaniman

If you read the grandfather clause it basically leaves most private policies in the hands of the companies that sold them. Should have been tightened up long ago, but righties can't read, and think companies can do what they want to make money any way, so what's the right wing beef?

You didn't care if consumers and workers get screwed by for profit private companies before, now all of a sudden you care?

BS .That's a convenient deflection . Repeat after me... the emperor lied when he said "if you like your plan you can keep it ...PERIOD "

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Originally Posted by tomder55

BS .That's a convenient deflection . Repeat after me... the emperor lied when he said "if you like your plan you can keep it ...PERIOD "

He unfortunately trusted that the insurance companies look forward to gaining more insured and wouldn't do an end run around him. They quickly figured out how to make even more money off the ACA..

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

He unfortunately trusted that the insurance companies look forward to gaining more insured and wouldn't do an end run around him. They quickly figured out how to make even more money off the ACA..

Lol you make it sound like the insurance companies had a choice. The truth is that the emperor knew that it was standard practice for insurance companies to make annual adjustments for plans... very minor ones . The emperor knew that once that happened the new regulations bound them to discontinue those plans. So stop the ruse of blaming the insurance companies . That dog don't hunt .

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Originally Posted by tomder55

So stop the ruse of blaming the insurance companies . That dog don't hunt .

They knock themselves out thinking of ways to make money. This was a no-brainer.

Yes it was a no brainer if the goal was to destroy the private insurance industry . He should hang his Mission Accomplished banner and do a Snoopy dance ,and spike a football instead of his faux phony apology .

Or you can lose the fake outrage and concern for consumers and get a consensus that's fair for us all.

Hello again, tom:

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That dog don't hunt .

You appear to BELIEVE that if something goes wrong in the government, Obama KNEW about it. Not only do you believe that, you think he ENGINEERED the deception...

I don't believe that at all.

excon

PS> In case you're interested, I BELIEVE that George W. Bush BELIEVED that Iraq HAD WMD'S.

If the CEO of an insurance company went on air and advertised saying 'if you like your plan you can keep it.. period ' and then pulled this bait and switch like the emperor did ;Eric Holder would be rushing to prosecute him today.

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, tom:

You appear to BELIEVE that if something goes wrong in the government, Obama KNEW about it. Not only do you believe that, you think he ENGINEERED the deception...

I don't believe that at all.

excon

PS> In case you're interested, I BELIEVE that George W. Bush BELIEVED that Iraq HAD WMD'S.

Yes he did know . Even the water carriers at NBC admit that much .
http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_n...insurance?lite

Hello again, tom:

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' and then pulled this bait and switch like the emperor did ;Eric Holder would be rushing to prosecute him today.

Nahhhh...

Apparently, you don't understand bait and switch very well.. It's illegal because they switch you into an INFERIOR product. That's CHEATING 'em. But, Obama switched people into a SUPERIOR product.. That's giving 'em a BENEFIT.

excon

Try to keep up Tom, insurance companies have been kicking people off their insurance for decades. It use to be pre existing conditions, now its Obama. Its another excuse. The difference now is all those people who got letters of termination have somewhere else to go.

That's what you are really mad about. Admit it.

And he still lies about it .

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CHUCK TODD:
Even if you didn't intentionally do it, but at this point, they feel misled. And you've seen the anger that's out there.

PRESIDENT OBAMA:
You know-- I regret very much that-- what we intended to do, which is to make sure that everybody is moving into better plans because they want 'em, as opposed to because they're forced into it.

NBC News Press Release
Nope he's forcing people into plans they don't want .

Hello again, tom:

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which is to make sure that everybody is moving into better plans because they want 'em, as opposed to because they're forced into it.

He made the mistake of believing that people would WANT a superior product, instead of b!tching about losing an inferior one.

It's a pretty right wing belief, wouldn't you concur?

excon

Thanks for making my point. When people were forced off before, you didn't give a rats patoot.

Now you love the rats patoot.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

If the CEO of an insurance company went on air and advertised saying 'if you like your plan you can keep it.. period ' and then pulled this bait and switch

They've been doing that since Day One by raising rates and forcing insureds to pay the higher premium or find a cheaper plan with them or dump the company they have for a different one -- or just be uninsured.

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They've been doing that since Day One by raising rates and forcing insureds to pay the higher premium or find a cheaper plan with them or dump the company they have for a different one -- or just be uninsured.

I've dealt with various insurance companies covering heath, dental ,catastrophic ,long term care ,auto ,home ,personal life etc for many years .The one time one of them screwed me I dropped them .
Nope I'm quite sure that the people being dropped now feel the betrayal came from the White House

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Originally Posted by tomder55

Nope I'm quite sure that the people being dropped now feel the betrayal came from the White House

Dropping for something better is the only way to go. If I were dropped, I would certainly look for what else is out there that is better. You HOPE those people feel betrayed -- but then they may feel betrayed by their formerly beloved insurance companies who dumped them.

Nope they heard the promise the emperor made MANY times

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Originally Posted by tomder55

Nope they heard the promise the emperor made MANY times

True. And the insurance companies have NEVER made a promise that they won't screw their insureds any chance they get.

Hello again, tom:

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Nope I'm quite sure that the people being dropped now feel the betrayal came from the White House

It's true. But, that's due to the lame stream media BUYING into the frenzy at FOX News.

excon

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, tom:
It's true. But, that's due to the lame stream media BUYING into the frenzy at FOX News.

excon

Maybe one day the lame stream media will catch up to this lie too...
“Your healthcare costs will go DOWN an average $2500 per family”.

Hello again, tom:

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“Your healthcare costs will go DOWN an average $2500 per family”.

The problem with Obama's promises, is that he didn't differentiate BETWEEN particular groups of people... To SOME, and I don't know how many, THAT statement isn't a lie. To MOST of the people in the country, the promise that you can KEEP your plan AND your doctor, ISN'T a lie.

Look. I'm NOT happy with the rollout. I'm not happy with the "bait and switch" as you call it. But, I'd be a great deal LESS happy if the bait and switch resulted in the consumer being CHEATED.

I'm able to look PAST this kerfuffle to see 30 million people having insurance that NEVER had it before... Funny... I don't hear you cheering for THAT.. Of course, you HAVE insurance, don't you.

excon

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I'm able to look PAST this kerfuffle to see 30 million people having insurance that NEVER had it before

Mostly people between jobs for a short time and invincibles who don't want it anyway (and probably deserve the hosing they are getting ,as they are the zombies who bit into his whole cr@p sandwich from the beginning) .