Ask Me Help Desk - Obamacare 3.0

Quote:

Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, Steve:
Really? What do these volunteers USE to fight these fires?? Buckets?? Do the volunteers bring their OWN, or does your community supply them? Alrighty, then. You own some buckets.

Yes, Steve. EVERY community owns a fire truck, and a school bus, and police cars. And, YOU pay for them whether you LIKE it or not. It's MANDATED.

Sorry dude but you're just wrong on that, on every point. Not only do some communities not own firetrucks, some who do won't respond if you don't pay them - it isn't mandated. You forget, I work with VFD's all over the region, they rely on donations and grants for the most part.

Quote:

Besides... Aren't YOU a guy who supports our Constitution?? SCOTUS says the mandate is Constitutional? Or do you Pick which parts of the Constitution you support??

Do you agree with every SCOTUS decision? I didn't think so.

Besides that many if not most School systems don't own a single Bus... they lease them, from a third party who also provides the drivers.

Quote:

Originally Posted by excon

Hello tom:
Screw the iPhone.. Let's talk about the mandate on you to BUY a firetruck...

You don't deny that you own a piece of a firetruck, do you? You don't deny that you're FORCED to pay for it, do you??

Nuff said.

excon

Lol .I'm all for it. Communities have all types of impositions including land use restrictions ,zoning ,tax funding priorities . But the Federal Government is restrained by the US constitution (despite Chief Justice Robert's twisting of it's words ) .

Just 51,000 people completed Obamacare applications during its first week, according to MailOnline, The target for the 6 month open enrollment period is 7 million for the program to be financially feasible. At this rate, they will come up 5 million short.
Administration sources: Obamacare website received just 51,000 completed insurance applications | Mail Online

Some people just want to be proven right but human nature being what it is there will be a rush in the last few days. Anyway monolithic software systems are not the solution to social problems

Neither is statism .

I suggest that any form of ism is not a solution

The good news just keeps rolling in. Higher premiums, worse coverage, less money in your pocket - and it's all mandated.

Quote:

Adam Weldzius, a nurse practitioner, considers himself better informed than most when it comes to the inner workings of health insurance. But even he wasn’t prepared for the pocketbook hit he’ll face next year under President Barack Obama’s health care overhaul.

If the 33-year-old single father wants the same level of coverage next year as what he has now with the same insurer and the same network of doctors and hospitals, his monthly premium of $233 will more than double. If he wants to keep his monthly payments in check, the Carpentersville resident is looking at an annual deductible for himself and his 7-year-old daughter of $12,700, a more than threefold increase from $3,500 today.

“I believe everybody should be able to have health insurance, but at the same time, I’m being penalized. And for what?” said Weldzius, who is not offered insurance through his employer. “For someone who’s always had insurance, who’s always taken care of myself, now I have to change my plan?”

But, but, if you like your insurance you can KEEP it! I guess we'll all have to make less so we can afford health care now.

60% of Americans have employer based insurance. They already meet the new law requirements (98% do any way,the rest have a years to do so.)

15% of Americans have NO insurance. They have until April to do so.

25% of Americans buy their own insurance as individuals. Two options, pay the open market rates, or pay the exchange rates.

States that expand Medicaid will save billions, states that don't will pay billions. This ain't rocket science, so stop whining. Do your own math, like everyone is supposed too.

Now where we can agree is the technological rollout of Obama Care/ACA/Exchanges. I would have Amazon.com doing the websites. They worked out their glitches just fine.

Amazon.com - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Like other online commercial sites, once the bugs are out its full speed ahead, and that's a matter of time. You do know you can shop insurance rates in your states and apply online already don't you?

Google or Bing health insurance companies in the state of........(insert state)........!

Health Insurance Online - Free Quotes and Information | HealthCare.com

Quote:

Originally Posted by talaniman

States that expand Medicaid will save billions, states that don't will pay billions.

Please name the states that didn't expand Medicaid. I think there are 20 or so that opted out.

I repeat...

Quote:

If the 33-year-old single father wants the same level of coverage next year as what he has now with the same insurer and the same network of doctors and hospitals, his monthly premium of $233 will more than double. If he wants to keep his monthly payments in check, the Carpentersville resident is looking at an annual deductible for himself and his 7-year-old daughter of $12,700, a more than threefold increase from $3,500 today.

“I believe everybody should be able to have health insurance, but at the same time, I'm being penalized. And for what?” said Weldzius, who is not offered insurance through his employer. “For someone who's always had insurance, who's always taken care of myself, now I have to change my plan?”

'The Daily Show' Wonders Why 26 States Didn't Expand Medicaid - Arit John - The Atlantic Wire

Quote:

"It must be a pretty eclectic group with many different reasons to explain why they would turn down federal money to bring healthcare to their working poor," Jon Stewart said. "Or maybe there was just one reason." Like, all of those states have Republican governors and/or legislatures.

This is a good article, judge it for yourself.

Medicaid Expansion & States: Will They or Won

But to answer your question here is a map.

Where each state stands on ACA's Medicaid expansion | The Advisory Board Daily Briefing

http://www.advisory.com/~/media/Advi...id_map_OLD.jpg

Quote:

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

I repeat...

This is the result of living in a free and unregulated society, the insurance companies decide what the premium is and they found a way to gouge the insured

No it aint them . The Obots decided to intentionally raise the rates on the healthy and young .
http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapoth...ns-true-costs/

So what you are saying is they pay over their life time rather than being allowed to game the system

Young people are guaranteed to be old people, and as we keep making babies, and we will, the system will sustain itself.

Quote:

The Obots decided to intentionally raise the rates on the healthy and young.

They weren't paying anything before the ACA.

Quote:

Originally Posted by talaniman

Young people are guaranteed to be old people, and as we keep making babies, and we will, the system will sustain itself.

They weren't paying anything before the ACA.

And that's not fair, right? Why should the old people meet all the costs of the system. However the insurance companies should have been prevented from changing the nature and cost of existing products in order to pass costs on to existing clients

The denial of the left is amazing . The only thing that changed in the market is the implimentation of Obamacare . Yet you blame the insurance companies .

Hello again, tom:

Quote:

The only thing that changed in the market is the implimentation of Obamacare . Yet you blame the insurance companies .

I don't know how to break it to you, but the insurance companies are INTEGRAL to Obamacare. I'd rather he kicked them to the curb, but he's really a right winger, after all.

excon

Quote:

Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, tom:I don't know how to break it to you, but the insurance companies are INTEGRAL to Obamacare. I'd rather he kicked them to the curb, but he's really a right winger, after all.

excon

Ex you know that without the single payer option you have to have someone in play,

Quote:

Originally Posted by paraclete

Ex you know that without the single payer option you have to have someone in play,

Why because in a single payer system no one pays ? What a fantasy !

Quote:

Originally Posted by tomder55

Why because in a single payer system no one pays ?

I don't understand, can you expand on that.

It appears HHS stole the software for Glitchapalooza.

Not sure why the owners of the copyright would want to take credit, but still, the federal government can't just take what it wants.

Quote:

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

It appears HHS stole the software for Glitchapalooza.

Not sure why the owners of the copyright would want to take credit, but still, the federal government can't just take what it wants.

I wonder where all the money went to make the thing in the first place? I haven't heard anyone talking about it yet but for the money spent it should have been flawless.

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdad

I wonder where all the money went to make the thing in the first place? I haven't heard anyone talking about it yet but for the money spent it should have been flawless.

I read that the budget tripled this year and what we got was a site that wasn't even tested until this month.

Quote:

Originally Posted by tomder55

Why because in a single payer system no one pays ? What a fantasy !

That's not right Tom we have a single payer system and a copayment is demanded by doctors in some instances, but all this hooha at the bottom reaches of the system you are experiencing are avoided. I have been over this ground before but you reject the obvious on ideological grounds, a single payer system can work without destroying competition

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdad

I wonder where all the money went to make the thing in the first place? I haven't heard anyone talking about it yet but for the money spent it should have been flawless.

here was a no-bid contract with Obama contributors who were fired by Canadian gvt. (CGI Group)

Quote:

Originally Posted by tomder55

here was a no-bid contract with Obama contributors who were fired by Canadian gvt. (CGI Group)

And the website design firm was Teal Media, formed by a former Obama campaign staffer, which just pulled it's Healthcare.gov credit from their site.

Design Firm Removes All Reference To Its Work On Obamacare From Its Website

They've since restored it although I can't imagine why. Why are we giving it to insiders, donors and outsourcing it to Canada - especially if they aren't up to the task?

Hello again,

You DIDN'T have to shut the government down and cost the US $24 BILLION.. All you had to do was wait for THIS fiasco.. But, NOOOOOO, you had to put us $24 BILLION further in debt..

Good job, right wingers..

excon

Sky high prices,deductibles that scare off just about everyone that can get through the broken website and now :

Insurers say the federal health-care marketplace is generating flawed data that is straining their ability to handle even the trickle of enrollees who have gotten through so far, in a sign that technological problems extend further than the website traffic and software issues already identified.

Emerging errors include duplicate enrollments, spouses reported as children, missing data fields and suspect eligibility determinations, say executives at more than a dozen health plans

Obamacare woes widen as insurers get wrong data - MarketWatch

The biggest thing plaguing Obamacare isn't the computer code .It's the "code " written into the legislation and the regulatory "code " that now reaches into the 10s of thousands pf pages .

Everything about it is a disaster.

Interesting article by the Canadian Free Press.

A Criminal Enterprise Called the Democratic Party

The Canadian Free Press is anything but Canadian or free. Do a little research about them.

Here is some other interesting reading from actual Canadian press:
U.S. shutdown climbdown: the 'triumph' of the Republican surrender monkeys - CBC News - Latest Canada, World, Entertainment and Business News
The comments below the story are telling as well.

Quote:

Originally Posted by NeedKarma

The Canadian Free Press is anything but Canadian or free. Do a little research about them.

Here is some other interesting reading from actual Canadian press:
U.S. shutdown climbdown: the 'triumph' of the Republican surrender monkeys - CBC News - Latest Canada, World, Entertainment and Business News
The comments below the story are telling as well.

Just because you are a socialist... doesn't make everyone else in Canada a socialist.

Socialists will tell any lie to further their agenda...right out of Sol Alinsky's Rules for Radicals...and why lefties can't be trused to walk your dog, or anything else.

Quote:

Just because you are a socialist.

You're funny. Was that supposed to be an insult? And how did you come to that conclusion from my post?

Quote:

Originally Posted by NeedKarma

You're funny. Was that supposed to be an insult? And how did you come to that conclusion from my post?

How is it an Insult if you embrace it?

I come to that conclusion not by your post in this thread... but by your posts in most threads.

Ok, thanks.
Try to lower your blood pressure this weekend.
I gots to go socialize. :)

The idea behind it to make sure everybody have high quality healthy life was beautiful. It is then another topic how it works on real life.

Think about this . The Republicans were never going to support the plan. Obama had to lie to his own constituency to get their support . Historians will have to acknowledge the critics were right.It has turned out to be a bad deal for people who had insurance already and for a lot of people who got coverage for the first time. Rather than coming down, costs went up as critics claimed .Just about every person who predicted premiums would increase dramatically was called a "liar," a "scaremonger"

lies

you can keep your plan
you can keep your doctor
your premiums will go down by $2500
those with preexisting conditions will be protected
you will have greater access to health care

Obama's 'You Can Keep It' Promise Is 'Lie Of The Year' : The Two-Way : NPR