Ask Me Help Desk - The old double standard.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

Besides, there is no real risk to children from Covid.

"Children, including very young children, can develop COVID-19. Many of them have no symptoms. Those that do get sick tend to experience milder symptoms such as low-grade fever, fatigue, and cough. Some children have had severe complications, but this has been less common. Children with underlying health conditions may be at increased risk for severe illness.

A potentially severe and dangerous complication can occur in children. Called multisystem inflammatory syndrome in children (MIS-C), it can lead to life-threatening problems with the heart and other organs in the body. In this condition, different body parts, such as the heart, lungs, kidneys, brain, skin, eyes, or gastrointestinal organs, can become inflamed."
https://www.health.harvard.edu/disea...break-and-kids

Please feel free to take your grandchildren to visit elderly homebound q church members. Remember, no real risk to children!

please feel free to stay at home until the risk passes, they may not be at risk but you are and so are the people you visit

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"Children, including very young children, can develop COVID-19. Many of them have no symptoms. Those that do get sick tend to experience milder symptoms such as low-grade fever, fatigue, and cough. Some children have had severe complications, but this has been less common. Children with underlying health conditions may be at increased risk for severe illness.

A potentially severe and dangerous complication can occur in children. Called multisystem inflammatory syndrome in children (MIS-C), it can lead to life-threatening problems with the heart and other organs in the body. In this condition, different body parts, such as the heart, lungs, kidneys, brain, skin, eyes, or gastrointestinal organs, can become inflamed."
https://www.health.harvard.edu/disea...break-and-kids

I will rephrase my comment. The threat to normal, healthy children from COVID is very, very, very small. The complication you linked to is very rare.

It would be reasonable to place some restrictions on those not yet vaccinated. No visits to nursing homes, for instance.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

If they don't have Covid they're putting no one at risk.

They can have Covid without knowing it and transmit it to others.

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Besides, there is no real risk to children from Covid.

The medical says otherwise. See MIS-C for children and Covid. Children can be asymptomatic, just like adults. The risk is very real to children.

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Surely our all knowing, all glorious government can leave some decisions up to free Americans.

You seem to be letting the government influence your reaction to Covid. The government has not forced anyone to take the vaccine.

Biden admin blows it again. The April jobs report was expected to add about a million new jobs. The total ended up being 1/4 of that. I wonder if that's because Washington is too stupid to figure out that even with 7 million jobs available out there, if you keep paying people hundreds of dollars a week to stay at home and play video games, they are not going to have a motivation to go out and take one of those 7 mil?

Where is DJT when we need him? Or DeSantis? Or Carson? Or Tim Scott? Or Kristi Noem? Or Mike Pence? For that matter, anyone with a working brain who does not amount to a robot in need of programming?

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

Where is DJT when we need him?

Deflection away from Covid. No answers?

Trump is hiding under his bed somewhere anticipating the jail cell he will soon be living in.

You mean answers like the Trump vaccine which we have only because of Operation Warpspeed, a Trump admin initiative? Is that what you mean? You mean the Trump vaccine which is the leading reason the infection/death rates haven fallen so precipitously? Is that the answer you are looking for?

Speaking of deflection, you have no comment about the pathetic state of the April jobs report. Wonder why? The April jobs report was a disaster, and your reply is some silliness about Trump? Really?

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

Is that what you mean?

No, I meant your claim that Covid poses no threat to children, and that those without Covid are putting no one at risk, and your comments about government when the truth is government has forced no one to take the vaccine.

1. Covid poses no more threat to children than the flu does. It's a foolish argument.
2. Those without Covid don't put others at risk? What more plainly true statement could be made? "Hey! You better stay away from me. After all, I don't have Covid." Huh?
3. I never said the gov has forced people to take the vaccine. Pay attention. I said the gov should not be allowed to do so. You said they should be allowed. Remember? I said, "In no case should the feds force people to take the vaccine." Your reply was, "
Why not?"

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

1. Covid poses no more threat to children than the flu does. It's a foolish argument.

The foolish argument is ignoring that both diseases can cause serious illness including death, and are transmissible to others.

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Those without Covid don't put others at risk?

The problem here is that the presence of Covid is unknown among any group of people. Those seemingly without it can be asymptomatic.

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I said the gov should not be allowed to do so. You said they should be allowed. Remember? I said, "In no case should the feds force people to take the vaccine." Your reply was, "Why not?"

"Why not?" does not mean the government should be allowed. It means why should the government NOT be allowed.

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The problem here is that the presence of Covid is unknown among any group of people. Those seemingly without it can be asymptomatic.

And thus we wear masks and social distance. But it's all a moot point since you now are saying you don't believe the gov should be able to mandate the vaccine and are not suggesting they do so.

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"Why not?" does not mean the government should be allowed. It means why should the government NOT be allowed.

So you are asking why the government should not be allowed to do what you are not suggesting they be allowed to do in the first place? Sorry. That doesn't fly.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

And thus we wear masks and social distance.

That is correct.

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But it's all a moot point since you now are saying you don't believe the gov should be able to mandate the vaccine and are not suggesting they do so.

So you are asking why the government should not be allowed to do what you are not suggesting they be allowed to do in the first place? Sorry. That doesn't fly.

You're confusing yourself. I am asking you what are your reasons for not allowing the government to mandate the vaccine.

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"In no case should the feds force people to take the vaccine.

I agree, It would be crazy (Same discussion when they implemented Seatbelts). Who's going to foot the Bill when non-vaccinated person becomes infected? kinda gives them the rite?

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Originally Posted by waltero

Who's going to foot the Bill when non-vaccinated person becomes infected?

Whoever foots it now.

Why wouldn't they foot it? They don't want the vaccine then fine, but if you get sick, make sure you have insurance. A little personal responsibility would be nice.

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I am asking you what are your reasons for not allowing the government to mandate the vaccine.

If you don't think the gov should force people to take the vaccination, then what is there to discuss? We agree on that.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

If you don't think the gov should force people to take the vaccination, then what is there to discuss? We agree on that.

I am asking you what are your reasons for not allowing the government to mandate the vaccine.

Do you have to ask? your constitution, implied or otherwise, doesn't allow this violation of individual freedom

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Originally Posted by paraclete

Do you have to ask? your constitution, implied or otherwise, doesn't allow this violation of individual freedom

I am asking a member here what his reasons are. I am NOT asking about the Constitution.

"If you don't think the gov should force people to take the vaccination, then what is there to discuss? We agree on that."

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

"If you don't think the gov should force people to take the vaccination, then what is there to discuss? We agree on that."

This is not a statement of your reasons. Is there a reason you won't state them?