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Then you had your eyes closed.Quote:
I watched the video. There was no stripping.
And thus the real objective comes out. It has nothing to do with children reading. It has everything to do with liberals want to influence children with their pro-gay propaganda.Quote:
important literacy programs that help teach children tolerance for members of the LGBTQ community.
I wonder how many times pastors are called in for a "story time" in order to present the Biblical view?
The Biblical view? What is that?
(Watched it again. No stripping. Just evangelicals trying to paint drag queens with a tar-covered brush.)
God is gender-fluid, btw.
I keep forgetting. You don't know about that.Quote:
The Biblical view? What is that?
Really? "So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them." So once again, if you knew the Bible, it would have kept you from making a ridiculous statement. But rescue yourself. Show us that place in the Bible where it says God is "gender-fluid". In your words, "bwa-ha-ha". For that matter, show us where God says ANYONE is gender-fluid. It's just an anti-God position found nowhere in the Bible.Quote:
God is gender-fluid, btw.
This is 40 seconds into the video. It is plainly stripping, a grown man wanting to show his axx to children as part of "reading hour". And you support it. Good grief.
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Perhaps you can tell us where the reading is in this strip act? Really, I feel very sorry for you. You have committed yourself to a political agenda, and it does not allow you to recognize at any time any error in that agenda. You are the most ideologically locked-in person I have ever come across.
1. The spirit of God is ruach, the original Old Testament Hebrew, feminine. The femininity of God is everywhere.
Not much to see there. And kids have undoubtedly seen their parents' behinds. Big deal.
If you knew anything about Hebrew, you would know that the gender of a noun is not a locked in indicator of gender identity. The Hebrew words for human body parts, for instance, are generally feminine as well, even when referring to men. And the Greek counterpart, "pneuma", is gender neutral, and ruach can also be translated as "wind". Surely you are not suggesting that the wind is female? But far worse for your case, the pronouns used to refer to "Spirit" are generally masculine. What do you do with that?
Now if you want to say that God transcends gender, then that could be discussed, but it would not change the fact that we are formed as male or female. There are no other choices in the Bible.
How much you want to bet they did not see their dad's behind while he was prancing around pretending to be a female stripper in front of a group of children in a public library? But you have to come up with some excuse to abide by your locked-in ideology.Quote:
kids have undoubtedly seen their parents' behinds. Big deal.
So white men rule. Got it! (But Genesis 1-2 is an allegory. Ha!) And yes, there are other choices in the Bible.
And your kids were very bored growing up. Got it!
Like John Pavlovitz says in his book, "ultimately, understanding God as merely a cisgender, heterosexual man shrinks God into something comfortable, something easily managed—and something far too small to be God. If we really believe God made every human being who has ever walked the planet, and that each of these people bears the DNA of their Creator, we’re going to need to rethink the story we inherited. Maybe this whole gender identity and sexual orientation thing is a little more complex and expansive than we can glean from a 4,000-year-old poem (Genesis1–2), and maybe we should stop using it to destroy other people. Maybe, rather than shrinking God any longer, we need to release God from that confining space inside our heads. And as difficult as it is, maybe we should expand our very image of God in a way that argues with our learned theology, because if we do, it might make us far more willing to treat the diverse humanity that crosses our paths with the reverence and respect each one of them deserves—as made by and of God."
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So white men rule. Got it!
This is what I hate about discussing anything with you. Instead of putting a little thought into the matter, you just come back with these brainless remarks that have nothing to do with the discussion and amount to little more than personal insults. The comments about white men and my kids, mentioned by no one here but you, is just from a different conversation I guess. But later you'll want to come back with an appeal against being a jerk.Quote:
And your kids were very bored growing up. Got it!
Then why did you make reference to "ruach" as though it is a literal reference? You cannot have it both ways. But I'm glad that you now seem to consider Gen. 3 as being literal. Progress!!Quote:
(But Genesis 1-2 is an allegory. Ha!)
Yeah. I can tell by how you have listed them. Do you really think you are fooling anyone? It's why I always ask you these questions. I know before I hit "reply" that you don't have answers.Quote:
And yes, there are other choices in the Bible.
Oh, but that's how you respond to me. I thought that is how you want to play this, just fun tossing insults back and forth.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
it isn't one way or even both ways. It's many ways. Can God be defined by or contained within a traditional gender definition? If all human beings are made in the image of God, then God transcends every current understanding we have of God. God has to be gender-fluid, definitely nonbinary. Once we understand and accept that, we can discover the character of that God in every human being we encounter -- and with no exceptions.Quote:
Then why did you make reference to "ruach" as though it is a literal reference? You cannot have it both ways.
But the Bible does not say that. You do, but you cannot support your idea.Quote:
it isn't one way or even both ways. It's many ways.
Still waiting for those "other choices" you claim to know about in the Bible.
God has to be gender-fluid. The scope and capacity of our love for others grows as a result. We don’t need to believe that “He” has the whole world in “His” hands. We just need to trust that we -- cis, LGBTQ+, Black, white, and so many more categories -- are lovingly held.
Why a many-gendered God? -- translation issues from the original languages, cultural gender bias in the compilers of the library of books that became the Bible, or perhaps Jesus’ desire to make God approachable and relatable. Jesus used a father, a patriarchal figure people valued so highly at the time -- and even today! Plus, how can a God who is spirit and not body be accurately identified with physical qualifiers: anatomy, physiology, and biology? God transcends gender and yet incorporates every gender.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Still waiting for those “other choices”. All the rest of your post is just your own slanted opinion. So again…where does the Bible support your ideas?
Please reread Posts #91 and 92.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
No scripture is found in either one. Just your opinion. Keep working at it.
I understand how terrifying it is when you realize our God is transgender. The discomfort and instability are worth facing. The idea is worth entertaining because, ultimately, understanding God as merely a cisgender, heterosexual man shrinks God into something too comfortable, something easily managed—and something far too small to be God.
More opinion. I will wait patiently for you to actually refer to the Bible. In the meantime, you will probably continue with the thoughtless, personal attacks.
Please work harder...MUCH harder.
I have referred to the Bible and the teachings in it. I refuse to play Bible-verse tag and Bible bingo and gotcha.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Actually…you haven’t.
Harder…much harder.
As waltero recently posted:Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
The wisdom of God, is fulfilling itself in many ways and in diverse manners. It is manifested, therefore, in the infinite variety both of the teaching and the life of the Church - yet one, as embodying but one life, the life of Jesus Christ...discovering itself gradually in such a beautiful and well-ordered variety of dispensations...some can only Dance to it, and some can sing to it.
IT APPEARS - To be well placed in your mind...It's not a code of Law that is to be explained. We don't, all, start from the same school of thought. In other words, It is only something that can be experienced, You can not define it. You can not reduce it to a form of a Creed.
Try getting out of your mind and start listening to your heart.
Still no Bible. Work harder. Copying someone else profits you nothing.
I told you! I refuse to play Bible "gotcha" with you. If you read the entire Bible, you'll understand what I posted. Waltero's post is excellent for this topic, especially the last line:
"Try getting out of your mind and start listening to your heart."
You sure get irritated when you can’t defend your positions.
I’ve read the entire Bible many times. What you posted is not scriptural.
"Try getting out of your mind and start listening to your heart." Modern pyscho-babble nonsense. I was astonished Walter would have posted it. He should know better.
We can just drop it.
Nope, not the Bible bingo you want. I'll add more tomorrow. Bedtime now.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
When you make a claim about God, you are expected to be able to support it with specific passages from the Bible. You can't do that, so you are reduced to disparaging that important process by referring to it as "Bible bingo". You want us to instead believe it because, after all, Wondergirl said so. Sorry, but that won't work.
Until you can do that, I'll bow out as the "discussion" is actually rather ridiculous. And please don't say you have already done so because you plainly have not.
a transformer bicyclist not suprisingly won the Randall's Island crit woman's bicycle race . A number of contestants dropped out of the race in protest of he/she/it's participation. This is Tiffany Thomas' 20th win since beginning to compete in 2018 ......well into Tiffany's 40s . Thomas is 46 now and competing against real women half his age.
It really makes you wonder if there might begin to be some backlash from real women against this insanity. It's one thing if a man decides he want to resemble a woman. It's entirely different for him to compete athletically against those with XX chromosomes.
Even the famous white evangelical Richard Dawkins [SARC] has signed a declaration on this issue saying that the gender identity movement is in error.
https://churchleaders.com/news/41181...er%20dysphoria.Quote:
Evolutionary biologist and outspoken atheist Richard Dawkins has signed a declaration that outlines numerous problems with the concept of “gender identity” on the grounds that it infringes on women’s rights and harms children experiencing gender dysphoria.
“Men who claim a female ’gender identity’ are being enabled to access opportunities and protections set aside for women,” says the Declaration on Women’s Sex-Based Rights. “This constitutes a form of discrimination against women, and endangers women’s fundamental rights to safety, dignity and equality.”
The declaration’s authors express dismay at how the idea of gender identity is being used against children, saying that the “use of puberty supressing drugs, cross-sex hormones, and surgery on children” are “harmful practices.”
Question . Why don't you hear about women transforming into men to compete in men's sports ?
They do but it isnt newsy enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
because they aren't 1st place They aren't breaking records
But they're having fun!
They aren't competing period. There are no females supposedly become males that are competitive in men's sports.
You know that how?Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
I know that from the absence of evidence to the contrary. Do you know of any? Can you name them? It's the same way I know that there was not a school shooting in my hometown. I didn't call all the schools. I would only need to check the news.
Then a MtoF team should be established, and FtoM team. That would solve your problem.
Hetero males are doing the shootings.
As long as it's privately financed, then go for it.
Since 2018 there have been 4 mass shooting incidents by transformers including the latest one in Nashville where the shooter wrote a manifesto that the authorities are too afraid to release to the public.Quote:
Hetero males are doing the shootings.
November 2018 in Aberdeen, Maryland; May 2019 in Colorado ; November 2022 in Colorado are the other 3 .
Wait for more after the upcoming Trans day of Vengence this Saturday .
i'll say it again. This transformer movement is undermining the woman's movement in this country . The trans movement is anti-woman, it is anti-feminist, it is complete misogyny.
Yes they should form a league of their own .
Not to mention anti-science and anit-common sense.Quote:
The trans movement is anti-woman, it is anti-feminist, it is complete misogyny.
The good news is that they will not need a large stadium.Quote:
Yes they should form a league of their own .
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