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Guess so ;I would deport their a$$ back to where they came from. That would be a better deterrence than a thousand border check points .Quote:
In short, they showed virtue, not just signaling, in response to the unnecessary emergency."
Viewing them as future dem voters??? How about dems having a lot more heart than repubs do!!!
We saw how much heart the dems in MV (think "Obama") have. We could also mention D.C. and Chicago. And then there is the disaster of San Fran where human feces and drug needles litter many areas of downtown. You call it heart. I call it hypocritical and stupid. Advocating that someone else do something is not heart. It's cowardice.Quote:
How about dems having a lot more heart than repubs do!!!
Still wonder why we would want border checkpoints in areas where there is no highway or road. Where are we to build them, alongside rattlesnake trails?
Definitely! DeSantis and Abbott are beyond being cowards by sending migrants north without giving advance notice!Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
What happened to all of the "bleeding heart, pinko commie libtards" in Chicago, D.C., and MV? For that matter, what has happened with you? None of you have been good "libtards" for these people. It's just the same ole effort to compel others to do what none of you are doing yourselves. The best evidence I have for that, and it is conclusive, is the fact that not a single "libtard" on Martha's Vineyard had one ounce of interest in housing or employing any of those people.
As to Abbott and DeSantis, they have been "volunteered" by people like you to take care of people they never asked for. They have sent a relative handful of them to places that claimed to be in support of them. In support, that is, until they started to arrive. Since that time, their tune has changed. So no, it's not Abbott or DeSantis, but rather the usual "holier than thou" crowd who want to come off looking heroic for basically doing nothing.
The City of Chicago and numerous immigrant-serving nonprofit organizations, such as the Resurrection Project, are coordinating with other agencies to provide migrants with immediate shelter and in-depth case management.
Mayor Lightfoot and other Chicago officials have been greeting the busloads of immigrants, connecting them with shelters and agencies that can help the refugees find homes, jobs, and resources.
Erie Neighborhood House
The nonprofit with locations in West Town, Near West Side and Little Village provides mental health care, adult education and training, legal services and other services for low-income and immigrant families.
“Erie and other community organizations have been doing this kind of work for years,” said Isaias Solis, the group’s senior director of programs. “Every time we have migrants that arrive — whether it be from Latin America, Central America, most recently Ukraine and Afghanistan — we’ve been providing a lot of support.”
Anyone interested in volunteering with or donating to Erie can go to its website or call 312-563-5800. The organization works with hundreds of volunteers every year, Solis said.
“We love that the city of Chicago is a welcoming city, a sanctuary city,” Solis said. “We’re here to help. We’re here to support. Our doors are open. And we want to make sure that we’re part of the solution.”
CommunityHealth
CommunityHealth is one of the largest volunteer-based health centers in the United States, offering free services to low-income, uninsured Chicagoans, which is primarily an immigrant population, external affairs director Laura Ciresi Starr said.
The group has been in close contact with the Mayor’s Office and other local groups to help the migrants, and many staff members and volunteers are bilingual, Starr said. Migrants are welcome whether they are only stopping in Chicago for a short period or if they plan to stay long-term, Starr said.
“We really strongly believe that everybody should have access to essential health care at no cost if they need it,” Starr said. “We want to make sure they know we are available to be a welcoming place. That we can be their doctor’s office, their yoga studio, their pharmacy — all of these things all in one place.”
CommunityHealth has three clinics: 2611 W. Chicago Ave., 5413 W. Diversey Ave. and 2759 S. Harding Ave.
Anyone interested in learning more or becoming a volunteer can find more information in English, Spanish and Polish on the CommunityHealth website. CommunityHealth has a huge volunteer base that provides many of the organization’s services, with roles for medical providers, interpreters, health educators and more, Starr said.
Southwest Collective
The Southwest Collective is a group of neighbors and activists who have organized food giveaways and other services for residents in need throughout the pandemic. The group also offers an open forum for Southwest Side residents to voice their concerns, and it launches economic, educational and recreational initiatives to bring the community together.
Board member and volunteer Adriana Vargas said the group can help the migrants through its food equity initiatives and monthly Freebies for Families events, at which parents can pick up or drop off gently used baby and children’s items.
https://blockclubchicago.org/2022/09...go-from-texas/
So is that what the Good Samaritan did? He loaded the man on his horse and took him into town to connect him to an "agency" where other people's money could be used to take care of him? "Good luck, Mr. Jewish man. Other people will take care of you!"Quote:
The City of Chicago and numerous immigrant-serving nonprofit organizations, such as the Resurrection Project, are coordinating with other agencies to provide migrants with immediate shelter and in-depth case management.
Mayor Lightfoot and other Chicago officials have been greeting the busloads of immigrants, connecting them with shelters and agencies that can help the refugees find homes, jobs, and resources.
Wow. How heroic. As to the rest of the organizations you listed, it was just a listing of those who help out in one way or another to a lot of people in need. That, of course, was not our discussion. Our discussion involved the illegal immigrants, none of whom the mayor or those other good folks took in. So you have given a perfect example of what I said above. "So no, it's not Abbott or DeSantis, but rather the usual "holier than thou" crowd who want to come off looking heroic for basically doing nothing."
Those agencies and organizations are providing food and shelter and citizenship info and job opportunities to the immigrants. We in Chicago and the suburbs are pitching in money to help fund them. That's how it works.
Eventually, the immigrants will be settling in not only Chicago but also the suburbs, where churches and various social service agencies and county health departments will be surround them with aid and opportunities. At least one busload has already been immediately taken to an upper-class suburb where they were welcomed and temporary housing set up.
the good folks at Martha's Vinyard were full of compassion and empathy for a full 24 hours before they loaded the illegals in a bus and shipped them out . It is just like their view about renewables . They are all well and good . Just NIMBY !!!!!
Celebrities Protest Proposed Wind Farm | IATP
Yep. They dump em off on those "agencies and organizations" so they can go home and feel good about their willingness to help the poor illegals. So the anti-Christian parable you quoted should have read, "A pinko, commie libtard saw him and, anxious to get on with his own life, drove him to some organization or agency and dumped him off there, telling the director that he would vote for pols who would force other people to help the agency with its expenses. He then went about the community bragging endlessly about his own humanitarian impulses."Quote:
Those agencies and organizations
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Yep. They dump em off on those "agencies and organizations" so they can go home and feel good about their willingness to help the poor illegals.
The people that libs have no time for, meaning hard-working, honest Americans.
Texas border town business owner sells family BBQ restaurant after multiple migrant break ins | Fox NewsQuote:
EAGLE PASS, Texas – A business owner near the U.S. southern border said she was forced to sell her family honky-tonk after the venue was broken into on five separate occasions since February.
"I worked alongside my father for 19 years," said Selena Buentello Price, the former second-generation owner of The Wagon Wheel, a local barbeque joint. "One break-in in 25 years."
"From February to now, I've had five," Price said. "Not only has my business been broken into and ransacked—it's just the insecurity now, you don't feel safe at home anymore."
Keep sending them to Chicago and MV until they wake up and start to smell the coffee.
“Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.” (Alinsky 'Rules for Radicals ')
Loving the way DeSantis and Abbott are dealing with Dem hypocrisy. Kam the Sham and KJP say the borders are secure ? Send some to Kam's VP home at the Naval Observatory .
Second busload of migrants arrives outside Kamala Harris’ residence | The Texas Tribune
Keep on sending the illegals to 'sanctuary 'cities and states . They are the ones who have declared that they will not enforce Federal laws . They should be sent there with at least the same frequency as Clueless sends planes full of illegals in the dead of night to Republican districts like Westchester County NY .
Biden resumes 'air illegal' into Westchester as migrant tide grows worse (nypost.com)[FONT=times new roman, times, serif
Good ole Martha's Vineyard.
Martha's Vineyard residents lament lack of resources, even as island is flush with cash and beds | Fox NewsQuote:
Real estate data and Massachusetts state resources show otherwise. Island towns are flush with cash and plenty of extra beds to help needy people. Edgartown, for example, boasts $9.8 million in free cash — budget surplus — according to the Massachusetts Department of Revenue. It would have cost only $9.1 million to give all 50 migrants their own room for an entire year at Edgartown’s swanky $500-per-night Harbor View Hotel.
It will be interesting to see if WG refers to Biden in the same way she referred to Abbott and DeSantis.Quote:
Clueless sends planes full of illegals in the dead of night to Republican districts like Westchester County NY .
Newsom challenged DeSantis to a debate . DeSantis should avoid falling into the trap.
Don't debate an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and win because he has more practice at it .
I'll throw this out again. Keep hope alive!!
How many checkpoints would it take to make you happy? How many highways cross the southern border which don't currently have a checkpoint? lf the answer iS zero, then why are you calling for more checkpoints? PLEASE DON'T DODGE THESE QUESTIONS. ANSWER THEM.
Both legal and illegal immigrants don't know where checkpoints are, don't always follow roads -- or avoid them for various reasons. (Mexico has built roads to each checkpoint?!)
The currents checkpoints are far enough apart that it would be easy to bypass/avoid them. Perhaps drones can be sent between checkpoints to assess how many immigrants are deliberately or unknowingly bypassing the checkpoints. Is there U.S. communication between checkpoints? As for how many highways that cross the border that don't have a checkpoint? Probably none. But the border can be crossed without going on a highway.
Apparently, according to Wikipedia: Checkpoints are located between 25 and 75 miles (40 and 121 km) of the Mexico–United States border along major U.S. highways; near the southern border of the contiguous United States. Their situation at interior locations allow them to deter illegal activities that may have bypassed official border crossings along the frontier.
So if indeed there are currently no highways crossing the border that don't already have a checkpoint, there where would you put the new ones? Would you just build them basically in the middle of nowhere? And even if we did, do you really think that illegal aliens would be sure to locate one of those checkpoints so that they would be stopped and turned back?
I mentioned drones and also communication between border crossing stations and checkpoints.
To repeat -- These checkpoints are located ... along major U.S. highways [north of] the southern border of the contiguous United States. Their situation at interior [U.S.] locations allow them to deter illegal activities that may have bypassed official border crossings along the frontier.
Thus, I'd add more border crossings because it's "in the middle of nowhere" where both legal and illegal immigrants cross into the U.S. It wouldn't totally solve the problem but would definitely improve things.
What point is there in putting checkpoints in the middle of nowhere? Wouldn't the illegals just go around them. What if we used mobile patrols instead, going in jeeps and on horseback? Wouldn't their mobility be better than a static, largely useless checkpoint?
The checkpoints are on American soil, usually in civilized areas. Actually, I originally misspoke and should have said "border stations", not checkpoints. Each has its own function.
We need more border stations along the southern border with good communication between stations plus drones flying back and forth to record and report human activity.
Well, they are using drones, men on horseback, and men in jeeps, and communication is, I feel certain, very good. So other than recording and reporting human activity, what should these people do? In other words, once the recording and reporting has taken place, then what, especially bearing in mind that illegals are pouring across the border at a rate of several thousand every single day?
You would be, I think, much better served to simply be honest and say that you really don't care if they come across or not, illegal or otherwise. It is simply not an issue with liberal dems.
check points are not relevant . As has been mentioned ;the illegals are not looking for check points to cross . The illegals are looking to avoid them. What they should have before approaching the border is proper visas that say they are permitted to cross the border .
Border stations is semantics for border check points . They are at points of entry to inspect travelers and goods to prevent unauthorized goods and people from entering the country .
The checkpoints are on the U.S. side, so immigrants who stop at them are already in this country and are responsibly seeking the legal way to become citizens. There are also border stations that are *cough* on the border.
Again, paraphrasing Wikipedia: Checkpoints are located between 25 and 75 miles [north] of the Mexico–United States border along major U.S. highways. Their interior locations allow them to deter illegal activities that may have bypassed official border crossings along the frontier.
deport them if they don't have visas .... that is my position .
These turds are not seeking legal ways to enter the country
In the case of the dregs that were sent to Martha's Vinyards ;they are Venezuelan. The commie dictator there is emptying the jails and sending their worse on these caravans . This is very similar to the 1980s Castro ploy of sending Mariolita criminals and mental patients to the US .
When they landed ;they were detained until they could be sorted out . But we had completely different set of rules for Cubans .
There is no reason to not deport these Venezuelan criminal thugs immediately . These riff raff are under no restraint by the Clueless regime . His VEEP and press secretary say the border is secure . So Clueless instead allows DHS to extend Temporary Protected Status to these criminals
I sponsor a child in Colombia and know that Venezuela is having an ongoing socioeconomic and political crisis.
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An immigration lawyer says the almost 50 migrants who were flown in to Martha's Vineyard, Massachusetts, on Wednesday under a program sponsored by Florida Governor DeSantis can be considered victims of kidnapping.
Rachel Self, who has an immigration law firm in Boston, Massachusetts, said accounts from the migrants "make it clear that they were lied to again and again and fraudulently induced to board the planes. Most of the migrants, including children, have fled from crisis-torn Venezuela."
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/migrants-flown-to-marthas-vineyard-were-kidnapped-e2- 80-94immigration-attorney/ar-AA11TH4s
A letter to the editor in this morning's Chicago Tribune --
Immigrants used as fodder
What a sad commentary on the state of our political and social ethics that the governors of Florida, Texas and Arizona feel empowered to literally deposit hundreds of traumatized fellow human beings on the doorsteps of communities in other jurisdictions with apparently no warning or provision for their care in place.
Without a doubt, the issue of the orderly regulation of migration into our country by people whose only desire is to live in a free society with prospects of bettering their lives is an important one. It is not solved, however, by the “gotcha” mentality exhibited by Texas Gov. Greg Abbott or Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis. Using travel-weary, confused and easily manipulated men, women and children as human fodder to make a political statement is beyond despicable.
It was not long ago that significant immigration reform was on the congressional agenda with bipartisan support. Those days are now a distant memory.
Perhaps this latest display of mean spirit will lead some of our leaders back to considering real solutions and eschewing such sophomoric stunts.
Once again, the great unanswered question.I just don't get your point about checkpoints. Are you saying that more checkpoints would impede illegal immigration, and putting checkpoints just out in desert areas with no roads, which seems foolish beyond belief, would do likewise? Does that mean that you are against illegal immigration now? If not, then what on earth is your point?Quote:
Well, they are using drones, men on horseback, and men in jeeps, and communication is, I feel certain, very good. So other than recording and reporting human activity, what should these people do? In other words, once the recording and reporting has taken place, then what, especially bearing in mind that illegals are pouring across the border at a rate of several thousand every single day?
Why do you suppose this idiot did not bother to mention what the president has been doing, which is flying illegals by the multiple thousands around the country in the dead of night? Come to think of it, why have you been so quiet about it?Biden Administration Quietly Flies Illegal Immigrants to New York in Middle of Night: Report (yahoo.com)Quote:
the governors of Florida, Texas and Arizona feel empowered to literally deposit hundreds of traumatized fellow human beings on the doorsteps of communities in other jurisdictions with apparently no warning or provision for their care in place.
Are these things, in your view, only wrong when done by repubs?
Did you read the ENTIRE linked article you posted?
What things?Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
So when you are just trying to reunite families, you need to do that only late at night???
Never mind. You are running away from questions again anyway. It's pointless. Your approach is simple. It's wrong when repubs do it, and fine when Biden does it. So plain.Quote:
What things?
Ah, you didn't read it all!
I have NO idea what specific things you are talking about. A lot of "things" have been posted in this thread.
Migrants Get the Last Laugh After Being Bused to D.C. (NYT, 09/19/22)
[Earlier immigrants who were bused to D.C. are calling] the free transportation a blessing. They are already employed and achieving some measure of stability. They have found jobs in construction, hospitality, retail, trucking and other sectors facing worker shortages in an economy still recovering from the impact of the pandemic.
“In most big cities, including the ones where governors are shipping migrants, employers are scrambling to find workers,” said Chris Tilly, a labor economist at UCLA. “They are meeting a need.”
Martha's Vinyard exposed the true nature of Dem elite's polices . They want immigrants to come to America for the sole reason of affecting the voting demographics .However ,they don't want them in their neighborhood
Advocate /talk show host personality, Charlamagne tha God, exposed their hypocrisy . He called the DeSantis and Abbott moves 'genius' pointing out the fact noted above.
It is not just immigrants either . Dem politicians ship out the homeless when it is convenient to them.
Bussed out: how America moves thousands of homeless people around the country | Homelessness | The Guardian
What Charlamagne knows is that when these immigrants come here they are not competing for the Dem elite jobs . They are competing for gardener, construction worker, childcare provider, food preparation worker, home and office cleaner, etc. They also compete for low income housing ,and their children are filling up chairs in already poorly run classrooms. In other words they compete with American Blacks in the Democrat plantation.
Exactly correct. And all the talk about checkpoints is just nonsense. A fifth grader could figure out that illegal immigrants are not going to go through checkpoints. "We would've gone through a checkpoint and bought a Dr. Pepper, but we didn't know where they were, so instead we just snuck across unseen in the dead of night through a wilderness area." Huh???Quote:
Martha's Vinyard exposed the true nature of Dem elite's polices . They want immigrants to come to America for the sole reason of affecting the voting demographics .However ,they don't want them in their neighborhood.
It never ceases to amaze.
Then, why don't the Republicans turn the tables on the Dems by welcoming the immigrants into their communities, find housing for them, and introduce them to various services -- and thereby swing the voting demographics their way?Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
The issue is the fact that we have no control at all of our own southern border. These people are crossing illegally and thus are law-breakers. They need to enter the legal way. And despite your foolish denials to the contrary, drugs are being brought in, sex trafficking is taking place, gang transactions are taking place, and all because our president has no interest in enforcing the law.
Not all of them. What percentage are lawbreakers? And, do they know they need permission to enter another country? If you're from rural Venezuela, would you know?Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
I have not denied that.Quote:
And despite your foolish denials to the contrary, drugs are being brought in, sex trafficking is taking place, gang transactions are taking place
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