I thought I saw on the news today that the Uvalde police chief is very much regretting his decision to hold back.
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I thought I saw on the news today that the Uvalde police chief is very much regretting his decision to hold back.
Tom, there were a number of circumstances in Uvalde that are really questionable. Not only the rear door being propped open, but evidently the classroom doors were not locked. With the shooting that went on outside the building, did they lockdown? If so, then the classroom doors should have been locked. The incredibly slow response time for the police was not good, and the inability to get a truthful report out at the beginning was curious as well. All in all, it seems we have learned very little from previous tragedies, and that is more alarming than anything else.
We were required to run a number of drills every year and one of them was a crisis drill. We had to account for students on the playground, students in the cafeteria, students in the gym, and, of course, students in the classrooms. Locking doors and having students concealed were vital. Trying to make sure sub teachers knew what to do was always a challenge.
Unfortunately, the days of leaving windows and doors open in classrooms are long gone. Gates are locked. Classroom doors are locked. The office has cameras outside to view visitors, and run their driver’s license through a criminal database. We’ve had active shooter training, and we have a lot of practice drills. I am lucky to have a bathroom in my classroom. How many children can get into the bathroom and “disappear” in less than 20 seconds? 30+ a teacher and we had room to spare. Welcome to teaching today!
Priceless.
"It would be a disaster," said one Democratic strategist. "Think of putting weapons in the hands of people who can't even define what a 'woman' is! I shudder at the thought! Please disarm us immediately!"
I'm retired now, but I remember those days well. We were required to have a fire drill every month, a bad weather drill every semester, a bus evac drill once a year, and a crisis drill (shooter) once a year. We were a rural school with a two lane highway running in front. It used to concern me a great deal as to what we do once the highway filled, as it was sure to do, with the cars of panicked parents by the hundreds. How would we get emergency vehicles in. So we developed a mentality of what we would do ourselves to keep our kids safe. We had an excellent deputy on campus all day so that was good.Quote:
Unfortunately, the days of leaving windows and doors open in classrooms are long gone. Gates are locked. Classroom doors are locked. The office has cameras outside to view visitors, and run their driver’s license through a criminal database. We’ve had active shooter training, and we have a lot of practice drills. I am lucky to have a bathroom in my classroom. How many children can get into the bathroom and “disappear” in less than 20 seconds? 30+ a teacher and we had room to spare. Welcome to teaching today!
No tragedy like this would be complete without someone playing the race card.
Here is University of Pennsylvania professor Anthea Butler
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Here is the poblem with her theory . Chief of Police is Daniel Rodiguez .Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District Police Chief is Pedro Arredondo. Oh yeah ;one sheriff's deputy lost his daughter inside the school.
Some members of the staff of the Melissa Tx school district have been armed since 2016 . They decided to post it so all can see.
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Melissa Schools Warn: We are Armed and Trained – NBC 5 Dallas-Fort Worth (nbcdfw.com)
It is sickening beyond belief. The evil of these who want to divide is terrible.
I think armed staff is something we are going to have to consider.
I believe that would be a mistake. Here is a letter to the editor in today's newspaper:Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Logistics of arming teachers
Let’s take a look at the “arm the teachers” concept. A shooter gets in a school building, and teachers hear alarms or gunshots.
Will the teacher wear a holster with a loaded handgun in class? Concealed carry or open to view?
If not, will there be a loaded firearm in each classroom?
How will it be stored so it can be accessed and ready to fire in seconds?
How does the school prevent unauthorized people (adults and children) from accessing the firearm without interfering with the teacher’s ability to be ready to fire on short notice?
What training for neutralizing a threat will teachers need? What takes priority — trying to get students to safety or confronting a gunman who is breaking through the door?
How will authorities be able to tell the teachers from the attacker?
It would be challenging. That's what great cultures do.
I'm not sure that armed teachers is the answer. I do know that I felt, as a principal, that I should have been armed, at least in the sense of having access to a weapon locked in my office.
And if all hell breaks loose and you're nowhere near your office?Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
And what if a meteor falls from the sky and flattens the school? There are no perfect solutions. Perhaps having the weapon holstered at my side would be a better solution. I'm for considering anything that will prove to be a deterrent.
Yes, concealed carry.
How sad that we have come to this. To think that, decades ago, there were actually shooting classes in many schools, and yet no one seemed compelled to come in and shoot the place up.
Lucky you for having a deputy on campus. We don’t have any security in our district. At one time, they asked us who wanted to carry a firearm at work. They were going to train a few teachers at each school, but that never happened. We know that we will have to keep our children safe. Such a sad time.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
11 states allow teachers who have conceal and carry to be armed in school . What do they have in common ? No it is not red/blue divide . Illinois and Rhode Island are 2 of the blue states that permit it .
Guns in Schools | Giffords
- At least 30 states and the District of Columbia allow school security
- personnel to possess weapons in schools.
- At least nine states allow other school employees to possess weapons in schools, typically only if they meet certain criteria.
- At least 11 states allow concealed carry permit holders to possess weapons in schools.
- At least 24 states give school districts or school boards the authority to decide whether they will allow weapons in school.
50-State Comparison: K-12 School Safety - Education Commission of the States (ecs.org)
We were a K-12 campus of about a thousand students, so a deputy was useful in many ways for us. There was the very rare occasion of having to arrest a student who would not respond to any school commands. He directed traffic at times. Just his presence on campus, and knowing that he was armed, probably prevented a number of problems. Every school should have a full-time deputy.Quote:
Lucky you for having a deputy on campus. We don’t have any security in our district. At one time, they asked us who wanted to carry a firearm at work. They were going to train a few teachers at each school, but that never happened. We know that we will have to keep our children safe. Such a sad time.
and the children love their resource officers . They are positive adult role models .
Agreed. We have 900 students and we are about 6 miles from the nearest sheriff station. No on-site security.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
It’s just asking for trouble. Banks go to greater measures to protect that which is far less valuable. SOMEONE needs to be armed and well trained.
And then there was Trump's performance at the NRA convention. From HuffPost --
In a bold display of disrespect, Trump bashed gun control and hailed all firearms in his Friday speech, including the kind of military-style assault weapons that killed 19 children and two teachers in a mass shooting in Uvalde last week.
Trump then mangled the pronunciation of victims’ names, which he read interspersed with cheesy funeral toll sounds.
Trump wrapped up his speech smiling, with his clenched fists and wooden dance steps to the 1996 song "Hold On, I'm Coming," written by Hayes and David Porter, and performed by rhythm-and-blues duo Sam and Dave.
Instead of the Ten Commandments being posted in public buildings, this would be more effective --
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Trump wrapped up his speech smiling, with his clenched fists and wooden dance steps to the 1996 song "Hold On, I'm Coming," written by Hayes and David Porter, and performed by rhythm-and-blues duo Sam and Dave
I saw Sam Moore perform with Bruce Springsteen . He sang Hold on I'm coming and Soul Man with Bruce. .It was one of the many highlights of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame concert I attended .
That 'art' is cheesy and inappropriate ... as intended no doubt .
Shame that liberal dems never seem to be concerned about black kids killed by the dozens in our major cities. I guess they don't work well in making bloody posters to stir up the emotions?
I never trust anything from the HP. It is an anti-Trump mouthpiece dedicated to liberal-dem propaganda. That being said, since you fell flat in your attempt to have Trump say we were going to inject disinfectants into people, you now shift the target to a speech to the NRA. Well, no one has ever accused him of being overly-thoughtful or well-prepared. It is his greatest weakness by far.
And to be fair, perhaps I misread your disinfectant post. You haven't made that clear, so I'm open to a little enlightenment.
My research says many of the guns used come from Indiana and Texas, among other states.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Do a search using good keywords. It's all over the Internet and on YouTube -- his mangling of the victims' names, his little dance, his rah-rahing over guns.Quote:
I never trust anything from the HP. It is an anti-Trump mouthpiece dedicated to liberal-dem propaganda. That being said, since you fell flat in your attempt to have Trump say we were going to inject disinfectants into people, you now shift the target to a speech to the NRA. Well, no one has ever accused him of being overly-thoughtful or well-prepared. It is his greatest weakness by far.
And yes, that YouTube video link I posted shows Trump using the word "disinfectant" after the previous speaker's comment about bleach.
As tomder quoted from that video:
"And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning, because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it’d be interesting to check that, so that you’re going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me. So, we’ll see, but the whole concept of the light, the way it kills it in one minute. That’s pretty powerful.”
Did you not read this? "Well, no one has ever accused him of being overly-thoughtful or well-prepared. It is his greatest weakness by far." He included some foolish behavior in his speech. If you are really against that, you will begin to note the many times JB and KH do it.Quote:
Do a search using good keywords. It's all over the Internet and on YouTube -- his mangling of the victims' names, his little dance, his rah-rahing over guns.
As far as a search with keywords, I have finally figured out that you keep suggesting I do it because you are not actually good at it. Or at least you certainly have not demonstrated that here.
So? He also said, "...so it’d be interesting to check that, so that you’re going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me." Now to any person capable of unbiased thought, it is clearly plain that he was suggesting possible avenues for research. You would be well served to drop this silly pursuit. It makes it appear that you are willing to believe anything, no matter how silly or unsupported, so long as it makes Trump look bad.Quote:
And yes, that YouTube video link I posted shows Trump using the word "disinfectants" after the previous speaker's comment about bleach.
Even in your quote of Tom's post, where does he suggest we inject disinfectants or anything else. He simply inquired, "And is there a way we can do something like that..." It's called asking a question. Only in the world of the TDS afflicted does it amount to encouraging the general public to do something.
Can you not see that no one is disputing his use of "disinfectant"? The question which was described as a hoax asked this. "Trump suggested drinking/injecting bleach to stop covid." Please pay attention.
You post an oppositional reply on topic but can't stop yourself from twisting my words (most recently, "That being said, since you fell flat in your attempt to have Trump say we were going to inject disinfectants into people...") and then adding a personal put-down, JL. Please stop.
You fail to note, in your partial quote, that I added, "And to be fair, perhaps I misread your disinfectant post. You haven't made that clear, so I'm open to a little enlightenment." Not sure why you would omit including that.
I still have no idea what you are trying to establish. As I said above, "Can you not see that no one is disputing his use of "disinfectant"? The question which was described as a hoax asked this. "Trump suggested drinking/injecting bleach to stop covid." Please pay attention.
Now if you have some evidence that Trump, "suggested drinking/injecting bleach", then please post it. Otherwise, I have no idea what your point is. Your Youtube video added nothing that would shed light on that, so I just don't know why you posted it. Can you explain that in reference to, "Trump suggested drinking/injecting bleach to stop covid." Your Youtube link did not establish that at all, did it?
The speaker before Trump suggested bleach and other chemical remedies. When Trump spoke, he lumped them together as disinfectants that would possibly work.
Shake Comet cleanser instead of grated parmesan cheese onto your plateful of spaghetti?
Well, the answer is, you have no evidence that Trump, "suggested drinking/injecting bleach." All you have is, "When Trump spoke, he lumped them together as disinfectants that would possibly work." So I don't even know why we are having this ridiculous discussion. But if you can come up with some evidence that Trump suggested, "drinking/injecting bleach," then feel free to post it. Until then, it's just another outbreak of TDS.Quote:
Now if you have some evidence that Trump, "suggested drinking/injecting bleach", then please post it. Otherwise, I have no idea what your point is. Your Youtube video added nothing that would shed light on that, so I just don't know why you posted it. Can you explain that in reference to, "Trump suggested drinking/injecting bleach to stop covid." Your Youtube link did not establish that at all, did it?
Glad we finally got that settled.
Trump did NOT say to drink or inject bleach! He was a follow-up speaker to a man who did. Trump instead used the word "disinfectant" (lumping bleach et al. together).
Like I said. Glad we finally got that settled.Quote:
Trump did NOT say to drink or inject bleach!
And I have said that from the get-go of this discussion.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Sure you did.
The bottom line is this. Trump never suggested the general public drink or inject anything. He was plainly talking about potential research. He never mentioned bleach.
So we finally have it settled. Wonderful, Wondergirl.
Under the thread Hoax Quiz, in Post #5, I posted a link to Trump's speech, then in Post #8, I said --
***I explicitedly avoided saying Trump used the word "bleach". He said "disinfectant". And I'm sure he had/has no clue about GI endoscopy procedures, tomder.***
Yes, which makes us all wonder what on earth your point was in posting the video. The hoax was that Trump said drink/inject bleach. He did not suggest we drink or inject anything at all. He suggested some med research. So what on earth was your point?
His speech was right after the bleach-talker guy. Trump, when he spoke, nodded enthusiastically and endorsed a possible remedy involving such a disinfectant.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
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