More evasion. I started my answer. Are we in agreement so far?
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More evasion. I started my answer. Are we in agreement so far?
All exceptions. Most abortions are done as a contraceptive measure after the fact . That is why the abortion pill has become so popular. Killing a baby by taking a pill is more convenient than having to get a health care provider to wack the baby .Quote:
Inconvenience: raped by your uncle
Inconvenience: gang raped
Inconvenience: husband is verbally and physically abusive
Inconvenience: am menopausal, thought I was finished having babies
Inconvenience: a pregnancy will put my life at risk
Inconvenience: the fetus has a congenital disorder that guarantees hospital care and medication throughout its probably short life
I remember when the radical left' mantra was "safe ,legal and rare" . Rare has definitely been removed . Now it is kill the babies because of almost every pretext including population control.
Someone on the left has published the addresses of every justice who apparently signed on to the pending Dobbs ruling.
@RuthSent
The "safe, legal, and rare" argument never made sense. If the unborn child is truly a precious human life, then it should be rare, but certainly not legal for any and all comers. If the unborn child is not a human life, then why should we care that it be rare? At any rate, it is never safe for the child. It was just one of those sayings that sounded wise but upon any inspection at all was actually foolish.
Let's go back to the fifteen year old girl for a minute. A complaint was lodged earlier about using an example that was said to be EXTREMELY rare. I would lodge the same complaint here. You don't find many fifteen year old girls pregnant from rape. But let's extend the story a bit. She tells her parents that she is six weeks pregnant, so off to the abortion clinic they go. The parent explains that the girl is pregnant from rape. They are asked for a police report to verify the rape. Did she report the rape? Was the boy arrested? If not, then can she just claim "rape" and expect that to be accepted? Suppose she has an abortion, but then it's later found out that the sex was actually consensual. Who will be held responsible for that? Who will apologize to the dead baby? Why is it that in the world of liberal dems, it is only the truly innocent baby that is asked to die?
The young man has been lusting after his friend's sister for a long time. Yes, he raped her when she refused his advances. He later confessed to police and is in jail awaiting his first hearing.
How much later?
Did the girl go to the ER after being raped?
" Who will apologize to the dead baby? Why is it that in the world of liberal dems, it is only the truly innocent baby that is asked to die?"
Now in all fairness, I have trouble with your EXTREMELY rare example. I am often tempted to say it would ok to have an abortion in that instance, but when I consider that a precious, innocent human life will be extinguished forever for that to happen, I just can't agree with it. And I feel pretty safe in saying that when the girl turns 30, she will be forever happy that she did the right thing.
Yes, her mother took her to the ER.
What do you propose for that fetus if it is born and becomes a living soul?
It sounds like you would be willing to take responsibility for "that precious human life."
Your living soul proposition is just so much nonsense, and it's interesting how you refuse to take any passage literally UNLESS, of course, you think it supports your preconceived ideas. At any rate, God breathed the breath of life into Adam since, you should notice, he was not already alive. He did not do that for Eve or anyone else who has lived, so your idea just falls apart.Quote:
What do you propose for that fetus if it is born and becomes a living soul?
If necessary, then of course I would.Quote:
It sounds like you would be willing to take responsibility for "that precious human life."
Now that I've answered a half-dozen or so of your questions, it's time for you to answer one you dodged earlier. If a woman is 37 weeks along, loses her job, and decides she cannot afford the child, should she be allowed to have an abortion? If so, how should the doctor kill the child before delivering a dead baby?
Or supposed the 15 year old girl initially decided to have the baby, but then at 37 weeks changes her mind and decides on an abortion. Should that be allowed?
Please don't dodge those questions. Be forthcoming.
But then, we know that story is an allegory. And Eve was transgendered from human bone.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
You're gonna have a lot of babies to raise. Hope you're up to this.Quote:
If necessary, then of course I would.
Nope. Our taxes will be raised so she can afford to keep the baby.Quote:
Now that I've answered a half-dozen or so of your questions, it's time for you to answer one you dodged earlier. If a woman is 37 weeks along, loses her job, and decides she cannot afford the child, should she be allowed to have an abortion? If so, how should the doctor kill the child before delivering a dead baby?
She's not THAT stoopid!!!Quote:
Or supposed the 15 year old girl initially decided to have the baby, but then at 37 weeks changes her mind and decides on an abortion. Should that be allowed?
What wouldve happened if one of those MAGA "extremists" had published Ruth Bader Ginsberg's address on a site and urged people to go to her house to protest ? Then Kayleigh McEnany replied when asked that President Trump's position is that "there is a lot of passion" How would ve the left and the compliant press reacted ?
The usual evasion. It's what I hate about having a "discussion" with you. Anytime you feel cornered, you run for cover. It really gets old. Not enough courage on your part to truly be honest.Quote:
She's not THAT stoopid!!!
Well, this lunacy has gone too far for me.Quote:
And Eve was transgendered from human bone.
Where did Eve come from?
Your answer was, "Nope". Why? According to you, the baby has no soul. Why no abortion?Quote:
Now that I've answered a half-dozen or so of your questions, it's time for you to answer one you dodged earlier. If a woman is 37 weeks along, loses her job, and decides she cannot afford the child, should she be allowed to have an abortion? If so, how should the doctor kill the child before delivering a dead baby?
37 weeks? And that's not why women get late-term abortions.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
But you said it should not be allowed. My question is, why not? How is 37 weeks different from 30 weeks different from 24 weeks different from 15 weeks? Why are you taking the decision away from the mother at 37 weeks but not at 15 weeks?
Eve came from Adam. It clearly says that God created them, "male and female". She was not XY but then decided to become XX.
I bet you've never been pregnant.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Allegory. "She decided"???Quote:
Eve came from Adam. It clearly says that God created them, "male and female". She was not XY but then decided to become XX.
And Adam and Eve's free will opened up the universe to all sorts of contradictions and unlimited possibilities.
Just more evasion. As I said, it gets old. Why you don't have the courage to confront your own convictions is strange.Quote:
I bet you've never been pregnant.
Yes, otherwise known as sin.Quote:
And Adam and Eve's free will opened up the universe to all sorts of contradictions and unlimited possibilities.
My point was -- and YES, I was making a point -- you have no idea how the love for that fetus grows over the months. In the early months, there's little or no emotional connection to it. By the end of the fourth month, the pregnant woman feels movement that becomes more vigorous as the weeks go by. And of course, the woman's abdomen becomes rounded as the fetus grows in size. By 37 weeks, the pregnant woman has become quite enamored with the fetus she is carrying and would need a very good reason to consider abortion.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Be sure to ask God for forgiveness each time you eat a grilled beef steak or pulled pork sandwich or lobster tail, all of which were killed (5th commandment) for your pleasure.Quote:
Yes, otherwise known as sin.
Nice try, but that's not what you said. You said she would NOT be allowed to have an abortion. So the question is, why not? And as I ask the question, already I know you will not answer it, but will respond with more silliness.Quote:
My point was -- and YES, I was making a point -- you have no idea how the love for that fetus grows over the months. In the early months, there's little or no emotional connection to it. By the end of the fourth month, the pregnant woman feels movement that becomes more vigorous as the weeks go by. And of course, the woman's abdomen becomes rounded as the fetus grows in size. By 37 weeks, the pregnant woman has become quite enamored with the fetus she is carrying and would need a very good reason to consider abortion.
And the lunacy marches on. If you were more familiar with your Bible, you would be embarrassed at having made that post.Quote:
Be sure to ask God for forgiveness each time you eat a grilled beef steak or pulled pork sandwich or lobster tail, all of which were killed (5th commandment) for your pleasure.
You said that.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Ah, the insult again. Jesus is watching.Quote:
And the lunacy marches on. If you were more familiar with your Bible, you would be embarrassed at having made that post.
Oh. So you DO approve of abortion at 37 weeks. Got it. So how should the doctor kill the baby prior to delivering a dead infant? Note: You will not answer that question. That is a given.
Your post deserved insulting. It was ridiculous.
If the mother's life is in grave danger and her death would result, the doctor has the means to end the pregnancy as gently as possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
That was not the scenario and you know it. You're being evasive again. I'll just drop it since you are not going to be honest about it.Quote:
If the mother's life is in grave danger and her death would result, the doctor has the means to end the pregnancy as gently as possible.
At any rate, it is never necessary to have an abortion at 37 weeks to save the life of the mother. One way or the other, the baby must be delivered, so an abortion does nothing to spare the mother that ordeal. And if you think a doctor has means to end the pregnancy "gently", then you have no knowledge at all of late term abortions. I would really challenge you to look at how a dilation and evacuation is performed, or a saline abortion, or partial birth abortions. You can read about it here. I doubt that you will. Ignorance is bliss. And that is not meant in a mean fashion. I just know your approach.
https://lozierinstitute.org/the-real...on-procedures/
Have you ever heard of c-sections?
The techniques you described are not done when the fetus is nearly full term.
Yes.Quote:
Have you ever heard of c-sections?
I'm sorry, but you just don't know what you are talking about. Partial birth abortions are done late term. The same is true of saline abortions.Quote:
The techniques you described are not done when the fetus is nearly full term.
But if you are so sure of your statement, then tell us what technique is used?
Didn't read the article, did you?
That dated, right-wing, anti-abortion article?
The one you were afraid to read, lest you find the truth to be inconvenient.
Most people are sensible enough to know that an abortion at 37 weeks would be a grotesque breach of morality. But they can't explain WHY they believe that. You are evidently in that group. So we ask them questions to help them explore their own standards. How about 30 weeks? How about 24? If "yes" for 24 but "no" for 30, then why? What difference justifies that distinction? The idea is to get them to assess their own position. Getting people to think benefits the pro-life position, but that won't work unless a person has sufficient courage to do it. I haven't observed that you do. You just seem to prefer living in a make-believe world where abortions are "gentle" and usually involve a scenario along the lines of a 15 year old rape victim who has become pregnant. It's much easier to live with that belief than to discover that abortions are ugly, violent procedures usually chosen by a woman who simply does not want the baby. You ask questions such as, "Is the fetus a human life," but then choose not to explore your own question, or any other question you find threatening. I think that's tragic. So we end up having these pointless discussions that never arrive at any destination since you can't defend your position and yet don't want to honestly examine any others.
Don't say that meanly. It's my view of the situation.
very funny . That nonsense about Eve !! next up Jesus had no male chromosomes because he was birthed from a virgin .
Classic!!Quote:
next up Jesus had no male chromosomes because he was birthed from a virgin .
You therefore deny God was Jesus' father.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
God, a Spirit, has chromosomes?
Does God have a gender ? I don't want to get into that whole pronoun thingy
(You opened the door, tomder.)Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
What gender pronoun do the Christian Creeds and the Bible use? Which do you use? You call God IT, don't you!!! Hmm, now I can't stop thinking about Pennywise, the Dancing Clown.)
God is universally referred to in the masculine in the Bible other than a very occasional use of "us" or "our" as in Genesis 1:26. "Let US make man in OUR image..."
Press Briefing by Press Secretary Jen Psaki, May 5, 2022 | The White HouseQuote:
MR. JENSEN: Jen, can I ask a question? A Catholic church was just vandalized with pro-abortion slogans in Colorado. It just happened recently. Is the White House aware of that, first of all?
MS. PSAKI: I’ve not seen that report. Obviously, we don’t condone vandalism. We condone peaceful protest, and that’s something certainly we’re encouraging with everybody who feels passionate —
MR. JENSEN: What would you say to those vandals going after — targeting Catholic churches, especially when it involves Roe? That’s what they’re basically focusing on.
MS. PSAKI: Again, we don’t condone vandalism. We condone peaceful protest.
I think it’s important to note that 60 percent or 70 percent, depending on the poll you look at, of the American people do not want Roe to be overturned.
I’m going to move on. Go ahead.
MR. JENSEN: Will the President respect the High Court’s final decision on Roe (inaudible)?
MS. PSAKI: I think we’re moving on. Go ahead.
Q Jen —
MR. JENSEN: This is a follow-up question. That’s all. Just like everyone else gets.
(SEVERAL MINUTES LATER)
MR. JENSEN: Quick follow-up. Is anyone in the administration —
Q Thank you, Jen.
MS. PSAKI: Okay, last — last one. Go ahead.
MR. JENSEN: — looking out for the unborn child?
MS. PSAKI: Sir — sir —
MR. JENSEN: Is anyone in the administration looking out for the unborn child?
MS. PSAKI: I think I’ve taken two questions from you —
Q No, no, no.
MS. PSAKI: — so I’m going to take a question over here. Go ahead.
Q Thank you, Jen.
MR. JENSEN: When does the President believe life begins?
Thank you
We agree with that, but it needs to be done on a state level. Of course if we started becoming a marriage-honoring culture, then...
Why aren't we?Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
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