and the far left is orgasmic over the prospect of keeping people in a state of fear and permanent pandemic . The vaxed and the unvaxed is the new American divide they feed off of. Next up is Nazi show your vax papers .
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and the far left is orgasmic over the prospect of keeping people in a state of fear and permanent pandemic . The vaxed and the unvaxed is the new American divide they feed off of. Next up is Nazi show your vax papers .
It would be simplier to identify the vaxed with a yellow arm band and save the expense of stop and search. I said before this virus is an excuse to set up the conditions for the scenario of Revelation where you cannot trade without the identifying mark
You're becoming hysterical, tomder. Obviously, the far left, the left, the center, and the Republicans (a very small fraction of them) are trying to get the whole population vaccinated. That is hardly being "orgasmic" for keeping people in a state of permanent pandemic.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
I'm surprised that you've gone off the deep end.
The separation of the lepers has begun.
The Italian government announced Thursday that proof of at least one dose of vaccine, a negative coronavirus test or recent recovery from COVID will be required to access indoor dining, theaters, swimming pools, gyms, museums and other facilities .
New York City will require proof of vaccination to enter all restaurants, fitness centers and indoor entertainment venues, Mayor Bill de Blasio announced Tuesday.
In the last week, companies from Disney to Walmart to Google have begun mandating their employees get vaxed .
So unvaxed can't work or go out in public. Round em up !!
As for lockdowns ,The educated office workers and members of the teacher's unions will retreat to their Hampton hideaways with little disruption to their lives while the uneducated subhuman rubes will be deemed essential and will be compelled to deliver services to the privileged elites. Students will receive sub-par remote education while the teachers retain their pay.
Not to worry . Generous gimmees like breadcrumbs to the pigeons would be paid for with government monopoly money printing presses . The subsequent inflation .... who does it hurt most ? You got it . They very poor people they proclaim to champion. Limousine liberal elitism in a nutshell.
This is heading to an ugly place.
The solution is simplicity itself. GET VACCINATED and stop putting yourself and others in danger.Quote:
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Except, of course, that getting vaxed plainly does not provide complete protection against the known variants of Covid, nor against the coming variants. So to say the Trump vaccine is the solution is not simplicity so much as it's simplistic.
If a person wants to provide a fairly reliable protection for himself, then he can get vaxed. He can then mind his own business about what other people do.
Sandinista Bill is in a real pickle . As NRO explains ;“The shark most ominously lurking in the waters is the different rates of vaccination among demographic groups. Only about 40 percent of African Americans in New York City have received at least one dose. Among Latinos, the number is higher (63.5 percent) but still nothing to boast about.” These are the people who would be unable to present proof of vaccination, unless of course they were mandated to receive them. As with everything else, the poorest will be hit hardest and that spells trouble.
NYC Vaccine Rules Will Have Unintended Consequences | National Review
He could not and would not enforce lock downs during last summer's riots ooops I mean mostly peaceful BLM protests in NYC .Let's see him enforce his vax mandates .
So you have to have proof of vax to eat out or work, but no proof of ID to vote? Hmmm.
Tomder, why not spend all this energy on encouraging the unvaccinated to get vaccinated rather than politicizing the issue where it helps nobody and, in fact, may even discourage those people from getting vaccinated. Is that what you want?Quote:
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So much for the reliable vaccine. "San Francisco health officials say the city is averaging 176 new cases a day in the past week, a ten-fold jump from the beginning of June. Most cases have been in unvaccinated or partially-vaccinated people, but there has been a notable amount of cases among the vaccinated as well."
Like I said. "Simplistic" is the word.
https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/20...ospital-staff/
In the meantime, the utterly reliable and responsible NY City teacher's union [sarc] has 40% of its members who have not taken even one of the two shots. Yeah, those Trump republicans are sure sleezeballs. [big time sarc]
https://ny.chalkbeat.org/2021/7/26/2...ccine-teachers
it's like the guy said in Jurassic Park . … the kind of control you’re attempting simply is… it’s not possible. If there is one thing the history of evolution has taught us, it’s that life will not be contained. Life breaks free, it expands to new territories and crashes through barriers, painfully, maybe even dangerously, but, uh… well, there it is.
One more. "A study out of the UK released last week proved — once again — what we’ve known for more than a year: Kids transmit the coronavirus at a much lower rate than do adults. Epidemiologist Shamez Ladhani, who led the study, found that children 'aren’t taking [the virus] home and then transferring it to the community. These kids have very little capacity to infect household members.' "
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/covi...arol-markowicz
Evolution also teaches us that the primary mover is survival. The unvaccinated who become infected are 25 times more likely to die than the vaccinated. You can't fool Mother Nature.Quote:
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Right!Quote:
but, uh… well, there it is.
That's a valid point.Quote:
The unvaccinated who become infected are 25 times more likely to die than the vaccinated.
https://www.popsci.com/science/delta...through-cases/
Ok . India had a very low vaccination rate and the Delta variant went through the nation in less than 3 months before the spike dropped rapidly . Yes the death rate is a concern . But in the US the most vulnerable are already vaccinated . (90% of seniors )
Another good point which probably explains why the death rate has not spiked anywhere close to the level of the rate of infections.Quote:
But in the US the most vulnerable are already vaccinated . (90% of seniors )
The most vulnerable are the states with the fewest vaccinations. They are the southern states of Mississippi, Arkansas, Alabama, Louisiana, Georgia, North and South Carolina, and Tennessee. Also Arizona, Missouri, and Oklahoma.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
The most vulnerable population groups are those over fifty. It would be better to be unvaccinated and twenty five than to be vaccinated and seventy.
the evidence doesn't show that, our experience now is that younger persons are being infected
The point is that young people are far less likely to be hospitalized or die.
The point is that no infection can be allowed to run rampant, whether in the young or the old, this is why these superspreader events are stupid
so is the military going to fire on the lockdown protesters in Sydney ?
In Australia I would not be surprised.
Obama's party and the maskless crowd attending. I'm sure all of the pro-maskers on this site will express their shock and dismay. [sarc]
https://twitter.com/i/status/1424373805296889856
That superspreader event is over, the threat of a strong police response was sufficient to put an end to that foolishness which was pushed on a gullible public by rabble rousersQuote:
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Land of the somewhat free.Quote:
the threat of a strong police response was sufficient to put an end to that foolishness which was pushed on a gullible public by rabble rousers
vaccination is an issue, but will we ever get another vacation away from home? given my advanced age, I suspect it is unlikely
That's very unfortunate. I hope you get a dozen more.Quote:
vaccination is an issue, but will we ever get another vacation away from home? given my advanced age, I suspect it is unlikely
Sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do. Had I followed il duce's strict travel requirements I never would've had the time or opportunity to find my home in SC.
Epidemiologists speaking of Iceland with it's over 90% vaccination rate says that herd immunity will not be achieved by immunizations . It will come from viral transmission.
I wonder if they are taking into account the rate at which this virus is mutating?
How do you take that into account?
By realizing that the Trump vaccine might very well not be effective against every variant. If that is the case, then herd immunity is a fantasy.
It is effective within vaccine norms and more effective than some . As an example ,the flu vaccine has about a 60% efficacy. But it does not last long. That is why Pfizer is promoting a booster ;and Israel is giving booster shots to high risk population . Despite that the Delta cases in Israel continue to go up .
I am pretty sure that all the vax makers are hard at work tweeking their vaccine to make them into a Delta vax
Herd immunity is a fantasy, a bed time story for the sheeple. There is no herd immunity to the common cold, there is no herd immunity to influenza, there is no herd immunity to SARS.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Those who cannot cope with the virus will leave us. Immunisation will mean less will die
Here immunity is not 100% immunity . Herd immunity is when enough people have immunity then most of those who encounter someone who has a virus will not get sick. There are many examples of herd immunity ....polio ,measles ,chicken pox are rare these days .
There is no real herd immunity with mutating viruses like the flu ,common cold or Sars Covid appears the be in this group .
Likely the greatest example of herd immunity is smallpox which has been essentially wiped out. But it does not reside in animals and seemed not to mutate, so the small pox vax was very effective. Covid is a different animal.
From a survey conducted by Carnegie Mellon University and the University of Pittsburgh .5 million adults surveyed .
Time trends and factors related to COVID-19 vaccine hesitancy from January-May 2021 among US adults: Findings from a large-scale national survey | medRxivQuote:
The association between hesitancy and education level followed a U-shaped curve with the lowest hesitancy among those with a master’s degree (RR=0.75 [95% CI 0.72-0.78] and the highest hesitancy among those with a PhD (RR=2.16 [95%CI 2.05-2.28]) or ≤high school education(RR=1.88 [95%CI 1.83-1.93]) versus a bachelor’s degree.
Every other education level group grew less hesitant over time, those with Ph.D.s never wavered in their hesitancy
In the rush to achieve the myth of herd immunity other more dangerous side effects like heart disease and MS may result from vaccines available fighting covid is like fighting climate change the modelling has taken over
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