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I think we will and the former and present leader are both geriatrics' and despite the advanced age the current guy will clean up the mess of the past old coot as we improve and be better for the mistakes we make. No shame in screwing up, and we can will have done better.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
so tell me tal, how long is it since you did better? What an attitude, no shame in screwing up, with an attitude like that you can never succeed. It is just a race to the bottom
I would happily take Trump again, based on his results which were impressive, if he would learn to keep his big mouth shut and pledge to get to a balanced budget.
JL they all pledge to get a balanced budget, then they get a dose of reality, that horse has bolted and has joined the wild bush horses (borrowed from an Aussie poem). You see talk is cheap, that is why Trump did so much of it
Sadly true, both here and in your country. But I don't agree that reality is what we have now. Reality is what we'll have when borrowing/printing money are no longer options.Quote:
JL they all pledge to get a balanced budget, then they get a dose of reality,
"On 23 July 2020, the Australian federal government announced a forecasted budget deficit of $85.8 billion for the 2019-20 year. A budget deficit of $184.5 billion is forecasted for 2020-2021. This would be the largest budget deficit since World War II."
Seems like talk is cheap on both sides of the globe. A little cheaper over here to be sure, but cheap nonetheless.
https://financeforyoungaustralians.c...rld%20War%20II.
Be a long time before the USA can't borrow or print money and even longer before we get close to a balanced budget. Just reality. However growing and expanding the economy is doable and right around the corner.
Yes the conservatives here have suffered a reversal of opinion, must be the aftereffect of covid recessional thinking, but the rhetoric of balancing the budget gets a little old after eight years and reaching the goal, which but for covid they did. You would make a great labor supporter, always criticalQuote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
polispeak is everywhere, it is a human condition
Critical or truthful?
who on earth is more critical than you concerning the United States?
I don't know the answer to that question, but somewhere in your soaring rhetoric is the answer. I am critical of your government, of your hypocrisy, of your superior to everyone else attitudes and above all, of the idea we owe you something. You are a wealthy country and therefore it is you who owe those who have little. Isn't this the Christian ideal you espouse? No, like everything else you say it is just talkQuote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
I don’t know who “you” is in that diatribe, but it’s not me.
as to charity, name the country that has engaged in more foreign aid and charitable giving than the United States. Who is even close?
Well my own country is in its own small way, it doesn't give tied aid, it doesn't promise and fail to deliver, as to my 'diatribe" yes it is directed at you also because you defend those things I enumerated as the failings of your nationQuote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Not even close. "Small way" pretty much sums it up.Quote:
Well my own country is in its own small way,
This is the heart of your diatribe.Quote:
as to my 'diatribe" yes it is directed at you also because you defend those things I enumerated as the failings of your nation
1. "I am critical of your government, of your hypocrisy, of your superior to everyone else attitudes." I've never defended any of that.
2. "and above all, of the idea we owe you something." I think that is absolutely true.
3. "You are a wealthy country and therefore it is you who owe those who have little. Isn't this the Christian ideal you espouse?" No, it is not the "Christian ideal". The Christian ideal is that I, as an individual, should love my neighbor as I love myself. A Christian church should certainly exhibit love towards others. There is nothing in the NT about what a nation should do. You are simply wrong about that. It's your "criticize America at all costs" approach, which seems to border on hatred, exhibiting itself.
You see you are like the priest in the story of the Samaritan. Your ideals extend only to your own people. You know as well as I do that Christianity is about relationship, individual relationship with God, it has nothing to do with nations and empires, however those individuals make up nations and collectively should act as an individual should act, with compassion
Exactly correct.Quote:
You know as well as I do that Christianity is about relationship, individual relationship with God, it has nothing to do with nations and empires,
Which, I suppose, explains why the U.S. is FAR more generous in foreign aid AND in individual and group charitable giving than any other nation, and certainly including yours. Maybe you should follow your own advice in Australia before you start worrying about America.Quote:
however those individuals make up nations and collectively should act as an individual should act, with compassion
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Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Tell me JL what is the treatment for an over stretched arm? you must have great discomfort you do so much stretching these days.
The evidence is in. talk is cheap, you announce much, deliver little and what you do deliver is tied aid, the money must buy goods from the US. Ask Haiti how much of your aid they got
My only worry about america is; will they live up to the rhetoric when the time comes
Haiti? We have given more than 5 billion. How much has Australia given?
No problem. The mighty Aussies will show up.Quote:
My only worry about america is; will they live up to the rhetoric when the time comes
Haiti is offshore to the US, how much of that aid actually arrived. Indonesia was offshore to Australia, we gave a billion dollars, untied, which comparatively is a lot of aid. So who is the more generous now
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Much of the US aid funding was hindered by US statutory restrictions limiting spending to US products, materials and employees, which had to be transported to Haiti. This not only raised the costs involved, compared to local, but also prevented the aid from stimulating the Haitian economy.[53]
Most of that was economic investments from which you expect to receive a profit. Yes?
NO, It was not investment, unlike the US we do not speak with forked tongue
https://www.dfat.gov.au/news/news/Pa...r%20food%20aid
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$1 billion reconstruction package
The $1 billion package of assistance to Indonesia announced by the Australian Government on 5 January 2005 provided for large-scale social and economic development programs across Aceh and elsewhere in Indonesia.
Around $323 million was spent on the recovery and reconstruction in Aceh and Nias from 2004-2011. Approximately $328 million was allocated for road improvements in eastern Indonesia, and around $300 million was provided for basic education.
The Australian Government's support in Indonesia helped reconstruct schools, village halls and health facilities. It helped Indonesians rebuild livelihoods and helped many Acehnese to develop skills to improve government service delivery.
After the Clintoon Foundation skimmed off their share ;who knows ?Quote:
Haiti is offshore to the US, how much of that aid actually arrived.
Now that Quid is president, I'm relieved that other countries respect America again. And it happened so quickly. Your question is not without merit . We have a vague security commitment with the Philippines that I do not believe is being honored . That is why China feels safe to seize the Philippine territorial waters with impunity .Quote:
My only worry about america is; will they live up to the rhetoric when the time comes
We all are.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Sarcasm deafness strikes again.
<sarcasm> forgot to add the "<sarcasm> font "</sarcasm>
So did I (irony) - on purpose.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Run that by me again, how can the invisible man help us to respect america?Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Quid announced at G7 that the US will donate 500 million doses of the Pfizer vaccine to low income nations . This is a far better solution than the OP suggestion of the US breaking patent protection. Thanks to our capitalist system ;and it's patent protections ,we are in a position to make this distribution possible .
The problem is that the doses will go to WHO Covax. \COVAX was created to facilitate "equitable access to vaccines" , What it means is that the US will have little say on where the vaccines go and who gets them ;and the vaccines may not get to nations that need them the most ,or has the best ability to distribute the doses. As an example , South Sudan is planning to return 72,000 doses of vaccine to Covax because they can't distribute the doses fast enough to get them administered before expiration. Those doses given to India ,where they are ravaged by a new strain ,would be distributed swiftly . So yeah "equity " is part of the equation. But also distribution efficiency has to be a factor .
I never cease to be amazed at decisions like this. One would think we had a budget surplus of billions of dollars rather than a deficit of trillions of dollars. It's obvious that the idea of figuring out how to pay for expenses vanished from D.C. years ago.Quote:
Quid announced at G7 that the US will donate 500 million doses of the Pfizer vaccine to low income nations
A day is coming.
Assuming that this is a worthy give away then yes the costs should be taken from other gimmees. There are many to choose from.
Well said.
Quid will just print some money as he makes his application for the peace Prize. What I don't understand is can america afford to let its own go unvaccinated while doses are given away?
It really doesn't matter who the doses go to as long as they are used before expiratory, I expect this is what is behind the "gift"
The problem with America's "own" is that too many refuse to get vaccinated. They think it's a plot to insert tracking devices into arms.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
'They think'Quote:
The problem with America's "own" is
For themselves.
No they listen to nutcases, antivaxxers, anarchists
You live 10,000 miles away. You have no idea who they listen to.
Hey, I might live on an Island but we have a common ancestry, the story is the same everywhere because the story is the same everywhere. Where ever liberty exists you get these single issue nutcases who think that one bad experience translates into a plot. You have managed to export all of these stupid ideas to the world, it is your largest export. Every silly idea that manifests there turns up here, every silly idea that manifests here turns up there
Welcome To America, Leader of the Free World. Monkey see Monkey do.
You are correct in saying 'the story is the same everywhere.
We are Screwed! The world has run amuck. As long as people continue to believe the Big lie and deny the truth, doom and gloom will prevail. Same old discussion, same old responses, different day. You won't find any answers frequenting this site.
The writings on the Wall (hmmm, wonder where that saying came from), nothing new under the Sun...just hit replay.
Keep trusting your politician, they're straight shooters!
Writings on the wall, that originated in the Bible. The story is as old as time itself from the first cave painting to the street art. We should be getting smarter but it seems we are notQuote:
Originally Posted by waltero
There is no American who does not have access to vaccines . Some choose to not vaccinate . I know of one person who was sick for years from another vaccine . So now that person would rather not risk getting another vaccine .
We will know in time if there are negative consequences taking this vaccine . In the meantime we have been told for years that the health of one's body is a personal choice.
I ask again ;if covid becomes an endemic issue like the flu . Will we insist on everyone getting vaccinated on a routine basis ? And if so then why aren't there the same concerns about the annual flu ? There is vaccines available every year ,and we don't insist on anyone getting them ;even for going to public schools . 2019-20 season 38 million got the flu in the US . 18 million visited doctors or health providers . 400,000 were hospitalized . 22,000 died .And this does not include others that don't get diagnosed .
Still don't see why it is anyone else's business if a person chooses not to get vaccinated. They would only be putting him/herself at risk. All the vaccinated people, or those who recovered from Covid, are safe aren't they? All the elderly in nursing homes have been vaccinated. In fact, anyone who wants to has been vaccinated, so why are we so concerned about any person who elects not to?
Politicians seize upon practically any issue to divert attention away from a federal budget that has become completely out of control and is producing deficit spending on a breath-taking level.
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