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It is you who are grasping at straws
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How's that?Quote:
It is you who are grasping at straws
Thank you so much for posting that. If there had been any doubt about your not understanding what proving a negative means, you have removed all doubt by your post.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
I suggest again, ask around what it means so you can regain at least a semblance of knowing what you're talking about.
Goodness. The lengths you will go to in order to avoid answering a simple question is astonishing.
1. If my statement about proving a negative was incorrect, then show how it was. Due to Aquinas, I have no confidence in your assertions at all. I'm confident I know what I'm talking about in that regard.
2. If you stop and think a few minutes, you will realize that I am not asking you to prove a negative. I am not asking if something does NOT exist. I am asking if something DOES exist. To be exact, I am asking if a passage DOES EXIST in which Jesus says there will be no judgment. It's a simple, straight-forward question. If you know of one, then post it. I'll post the question below so you can see that you are not being asked to demonstrate the NON existence of something, but rather that something (a passage) DOES exist.
"But since you claim, I suppose, to be familiar with the Gospels, let me issue a challenge. Show us in those Gospels the places where Jesus said that there will be no day of judgment coming." So showing us where Jesus DID say something is clearly not asking you to prove a negative.
But we both know you will not. You won't because to admit that you cannot positively affirm the existence of such a scripture would damage your already frail position that there is no day of judgment coming. Everyone here knows that is the case. And if you don't want to answer, then fine. We can just drop it. It's not worth this much drama over a simple question.
You asked about me. For whatever importance you think it is, I am white. I don't claim any religious affiliations other than being a Jesus-following Christian. That one I cling to with great passion.
cut out the argy bargy, it gets old
I don’t know what “arghy Bargy” is. I am not here to please you. You don’t have to read any of this if you don’t want to.
I agree it gets old, but he can't help it. He keeps repeating himself. His "prove a negative" posts get worse and worse as he digs that ditch deeper with each post. I've tried to help him understand but he's not a good listener.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
You’re just afraid to answer. Too bad. You can’t even figure out that you are not faced with proving a negative. I can’t make it any more simple. I’ll just answer it fir you. I know of no such passage. Finished.
So my Uncle Elmer, plus most of China and India and many lefties in the US, will not make the Judgment Day cut and will roast in hellfire forever because Jesus sent them there?Quote:
I know of no such passage. Finished.
Jesus doesn’t like lefties?
Now, now, JL, you know what they say about answering your own question. What they say is the answer was pre-determined and asking for an answer was a false move since you wouldn't accept any answer given that did not agree with you. That's not nice, Jl.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
I think you're suffering from ADS (Athos Derangement Syndrome). This explains the hate you are exhibiting here. You should try to control your anger/hate because it leads to an ulcer or, worse, a stroke.
For someone who is a self-proclaimed educator, not knowing what proving a negative means casts doubt on your claim. It also reflects badly on your other stated claims of your volunteer work and your Christianity, not to speak of your tendency to self-congratulate. Was any of that true? Do you know what a troll is?
A glass of warm milk at bedtime might help you calm yourself. Even better, add a thimble of Irish whiskey.
Many meaningless words and yet no answer. So terribly fearful.
Here it is again if it helps. Do you know of any passage where Jesus said there will be no judgment?
Asked and answered - by yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
You didn't answer any of my questions: Was any of that true? Do you know what a troll is?
Or WG's point?
Did you drink your milk?
No. It was just your desperate attempt to divert attention away from your incredible reluctance to answer a simple question. Here it is again if it helps. Do you know of any passage where Jesus said there will be no judgment?Quote:
Was any of that true?
"Do you know what a troll is?" Yes.
"Or WG's point?" She had no point.
Not difficult, is it?
A little refreshing moment of honesty. I congratulate you. A little more honesty would have helped you to admit that I had to answer it since you would not. And even a little more would have let you admit that everyone, including you, already knew the answer anyway.Quote:
Asked and answered - by yourself.
Oh, yes, she did! Should I clarify it -- simplify it -- for you?Quote:
"Or WG's point?" She had no point.
As clarification, you had a question. You made no point.
I replied and you have not answered.
Stop feeding the booty sensitive troll unless running around in a big circle turns your crank. I thought the subject was how to raise kids and address their individual needs. Can we start with the premise it's a community shared issue where everybody plays a crucial role, not just parents? Kids need more than JUST school education for a healthy balanced development, as schools are also the social hub of the neighborhood for interactions and activities for kids as well as parents and teachers, and even the community leaders which does include the religious foundations.
I can't address Clete's seemingly isolated incident, but I hope it's not a red flag that we have ignored here in this country which has all but ravaged our already struggling community systems.
Yes, it takes a village to raise a child.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Here's a good article about that:
https://smartparentadvice.com/it-tak...other%20adults.
I can agree with that so long as a strong healthy family environment is considered to be the foundation.
If that exists, there's no need for the village.Quote:
I can agree with that so long as a strong healthy family environment is considered to be the foundation.
And that healthy family environment won't be the case, as you often point out. We don't live in a perfect world, thus the need for the village to surround and support each family.
So healthy families don't need police services, med services, schools, nursing homes, etc.???Quote:
If that exists, there's no need for the village.
Why won't it be the case most of the time?Quote:
And that healthy family environment won't be the case, as you often point out. We don't live in a perfect world, thus the need for the village to surround and support each family.
You didn't read the link, did you and have no idea what that village consists of.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Read Genesis 3.Quote:
Why won't it be the case most of the time?
I read your post and responded to it. You know, the one that said that healthy families don't need the village?Quote:
You didn't read the link, did you and have no idea what that village consists of.
And this is from your link. Are you really saying that healthy families don't need these things? Did YOU read your own link?
"Here are some of the ways you can build your own village to raise a child.
- Teach kids to respect other adults.
- Build friendships.
- Encourage hobbies.
- Volunteer to carpool.
- Help out others.
- Organize a text chain.
- Deal with problems in person.
- Get to know your neighbors.
- Remember that everybody struggles."
Why do you limit the effects of sin just to the family structure? Why not murder as well? "After all, we just have to get used to people getting murdered because, you know, there is that Genesis 3 thing." How about home invasions? Should we just get used to it? Rape? Lying? Child abuse? Wife beatings? Racism? Is "Genesis 3" your reply to all of the social pathologies of our time? Do you resist nothing? And for that matter, why doesn't Genesis 3 mean we should give up on hoping to strengthen the "village"?Quote:
Read Genesis 3.
YES, JL, we live in a fallen world and you just have to resign yourself to that fact, every sin imaginable will be committed , is being committed. You recall this is why Jesus came, to save us from ourselves because the law couldn't save us
You raise your voice against social ills every week on this site. So does everyone else. Why haven't you decided to "resign yourself to that fact"?Quote:
YES, JL, we live in a fallen world and you just have to resign yourself to that fact, every sin imaginable will be committed , is being committed. You recall this is why Jesus came, to save us from ourselves because the law couldn't save us
It is one thing to know we live in a fallen world. It is entirely different to use that to accept and, even worse, justify the many evils that exist in the world. You guys can abandon the family if you want to. I had to deal with too many sad cases caused by, for the most part, absent or irresponsible dads, and sometimes moms as well. I am not about to abandon the field because of some feeble appeal to Genesis 3.
Obviously many stray from the good orderly path and fallen between the cracks and have to be dealt with in humane reasonable fashion. Sometimes it's through no fault of their own, but there are those that have no intention of following a good orderly path. maybe we deal with them more sternly but the challenge is knowing the difference.
I am resigned to the fact they exist, doesn't stop me seeking solutions, we don't deal with any absolute but one. I have never been guilty of abandoning my family despite many trialsQuote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
That I can agree with. WG treats Gen. 3 as a justification for any social oddity that she agrees with.Quote:
I am resigned to the fact they exist, doesn't stop me seeking solutions,
There are a lot of absolutes.Quote:
we don't deal with any absolute but one.
Thank God for that.Quote:
I have never been guilty of abandoning my family despite many trials
Apparently, you've never read and fully understood Genesis 3. It's an allegory, btw.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Jesus understood it to be literal. Perhaps you can correct Him about that.Quote:
Apparently, you've never read and fully understood Genesis 3. It's an allegory, btw.
No, but he understood the truth and the lesson in it.Quote:
Jesus understood it to be literal. Perhaps you can correct Him about that.
Oh, and Cain and Abel were most likely twins.
He spoke of Abel, Adam and Eve as literal people. You will need to correct Him on that.Quote:
No, but he understood the truth and the lesson in it.
Cain and Abel were actually Remus and Romulus adapted to the OT. And they were some of the first liberal democrats.Quote:
Oh, and Cain and Abel were most likely twins.
He knew He had to; that was required when talking about "original sin". Same with Noah -- keep the allegory alive.Quote:
He spoke of Abel, Adam and Eve as literal people. You will need to correct Him on that.
And you know this how? There certainly is no Bible reason to believe that, so how would you know such a thing?Quote:
He knew He had to; that was required when talking about "original sin". Same with Noah -- keep the allegory alive.
No, no, no! Cain was the guy with the horned Viking helmet, storming the Capitol on January 6th. Abel was the one who helped AOC feed the beaten-down Texans after that devastating winter storm.Quote:
Cain and Abel were actually Remus and Romulus adapted to the OT. And they were some of the first liberal democrats.
If Jesus, each time He told that story, had changed their names, e.g., to Fred and Ethel or Abelard and Heloise, His listeners wouldn't have understood what He was talking about, would have shaken their heads and walked away.Quote:
And you know this how? There certainly is no Bible reason to believe that, so how would you know such a thing?
That just a rational excuse you use. It is nothing that even approaches evidence that you know what Jesus was talking about. If effect, you are saying he willingly lied.
Lied about what? -- the lesson in Genesis 3?Quote:
you are saying he willingly lied.
No, but that those people actually existed. And that Abraham, Noah, and the many others in Genesis existed. And Paul and the other writers of the NT engaged in the same campaign of lying if what you say is true. It is simply an outrageous claim.
It would be so nice if you would learn the difference between mere conjecture versus actual supporting evidence. There is not so much as a whisper in the NT that Jesus was following the path you suggested. It is just guesswork on your part, and poor guesswork at that, which you engage in to try and validate you liberal orthodoxy.
Now you've added Abraham to your accusations. Why not go the whole nine yards and add Jesus too?Quote:
No, but that those people actually existed. And that Abraham, Noah, and the many others in Genesis existed. And Paul and the other writers of the NT engaged in the same campaign of lying if what you say is true. It is simply an outrageous claim.
Did you ever tell traditional moralistic stories to your own kids or to your students? Did you change the names of the characters? If not, why not?
At least I'm not a literalist.Quote:
to try and validate you liberal orthodoxy.
How about this explanation:Quote:
Cain and Abel were actually Remus and Romulus adapted to the OT. And they were some of the first liberal democrats.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gkikBKW8vmQ
You certainly are not. You really believe that your conjecture trumps the Bible. Jesus lied. Paul lied. The author of Hebrews lied. And how do we know that? Because WG said so!!Quote:
At least I'm not a literalist.
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