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You guys throw that lie word around way too much . It is an easy smear for you to use . It takes no effort on your part to write that 3 letter word .

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That's a good point. I've been guilty of it myself. It is much easier to write three letters than it is to produce contrary evidence. Simply saying, "Oh, those republicans are just lying. After all, an election won by a dem just had to have been done legally," hardly proves anything.

I will say again. This business of allowing whoever to mail in a ballot is a terrible idea. We need to go back to having people go to the trouble of getting off their rear end and going to a polling place to vote. You know, like we do with liquor stores, Walmart, ballgames, and other vital activities. Expand the time of voting to two days if need be to mitigate long lines. Require a picture ID like we do with the purchasing of liquor or tobacco.

Did the dems objections result in a howling mob storming the capital? In truth we probably have these objections and stunts every four years during the certification process, but behind closed doors between the house and senate members. What makes this election so different is the dufus lies and his sycophants repeating the lies.

I mean if 60 judges, some dufus appointees, throw his lies out of court why do you fringers still believe them and act on them?

That's pretty crazy. When crazy crosses a line there are consequences...169 pro-Trump rioters have been charged in the Capitol insurrection so far. This searchable table shows them all. (msn.com)...I don't care about left or right when it comes to loony CRIMINAL behavior. Nor should any sane person.

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I will say again. This business of allowing whoever to mail in a ballot is a terrible idea. We need to go back to having people go to the trouble of getting off their rear end and going to a polling place to vote. You know, like we do with liquor stores, Walmart, ballgames, and other vital activities. Expand the time of voting to two days if need be to mitigate long lines. Require a picture ID like we do with the purchasing of liquor or tobacco.

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What if each registered voter gets an application to vote by mail (if that's the preference). The application demands a photocopy of a current ID (state, driver's license, college, gun registration), last four digits of the SS#, and the voter's signature. All that information is on file at the election office and will be checked against the mailed-in application.

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What if each registered voter gets an application to vote by mail (if that's the preference). The application demands a photocopy of a current ID (state, driver's license, college, gun registration), last four digits of the SS#, and the voter's signature. All that information is on file at the election office and will be checked against the mailed-in application.

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How does all of that information get on file at the election office?

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How does all of that information get on file at the election office?

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The voter has to personally bring it in and have it approved sometime during the year.

The same information must be produced when voting in person for the first time.

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What if each registered voter gets an application to vote by mail (if that's the preference). The application demands a photocopy of a current ID (state, driver's license, college, gun registration), last four digits of the SS#, and the voter's signature. All that information is on file at the election office and will be checked against the mailed-in application.

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We can't let a small thing like facts get in the way of fringer thinking now can we? I posted a link before about voter registration with each states requirements but reading and comprehension is not the strong suit of some people, or they rather just make up stuff, twist the truth, or just plain LIE.

Take your pick.

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If they can do that, then why can't they go vote? I'm not talking about legit absentee ballots. My wife and I voted absentee this year for the first time ever. Our first granddaughter was due in early November, but we had to get off our rear ends, go to the courthouse, present a pic ID, and basically go through what everyone else at the polling places had to go through. It must first and foremost be secure, reliable, and not open to accusations of fraud.

Plenty of accusations from this last election, but no EVIDENCE of fraud. That's not just from the dems, but repubs too. More of those pesky FACTS.

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I did when I could still walk. Covid has also changed the scene of voting in person.

Your situation is understandable and has never been in question. Covid will someday be a bad memory, probably within the next several months. But Covid did not prevent people from going to liquor stores or political demonstrations. It is just being used as a convenient excuse.

I'll never understand why conservatives and repubs feel so threatened by mail in voting when there is no evidence of fraud. What do you call accusations with no evidence?

BASELESS!

I suppose though that after years of making voting harder for some they repubs can't help themselves.

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Your situation is understandable and has never been in question. Covid will someday be a bad memory, probably within the next several months. But Covid did not prevent people from going to liquor stores or political demonstrations. It is just being used as a convenient excuse.

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Despite the "EXCUSES" long lines were still in evidence everywhere. No evidence of fraud there either despite the claims.

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You guys throw that lie word around way too much ..... It takes no effort on your part to write that 3 letter word .

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You guys sure make it easy to do so.

tal for me it is simple . I want my ballot private . Despite the bs assurances about 2nd secret envelopes that are separated from the envelopes that carry the signature ;I don't believe poll counters are not comparing ballots with who sent them especially in districts where video evidence shows that counters are sent home while counting proceeds .

There is no conclusive proof that significant fraud did not occur . Enough to change the outcome ? Maybe ;maybe not .

The only place a Senator could address the concerns of their constituents is when the certification process occurred . Hawley knowing that, did the will of the people as he saw it and raised objections during the count . If you see that as incitement then that is your problem.

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But Covid did not prevent people from going to liquor stores or political demonstrations. It is just being used as a convenient excuse.

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And those are our trusted voters....

Oh well..

Judge denies Parler an injunction to force AWS to host the antisocial network for internet outcasts
https://www.theregister.com/2021/01/21/parler_aws_injunction/

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Thank goodness you have an unbiased outlook on the matter. This is exactly the kind of approach used by those who want to squelch free speech. "Yes, Parler ended up out of business, having been squelched by big tech, but it's no real concern since they didn't agree with me anyway."

appeal and appeal again . This case has to be decided by SOTUS .

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appeal and appeal again . This case has to be decided by SOTUS .

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I very much doubt it.
AWS' (Amazon's) Terms of Service are particularly strict.

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Thank goodness you have an unbiased outlook on the matter. This is exactly the kind of approach used by those who want to squelch free speech. "Yes, Parler ended up out of business, having been squelched by big tech, but it's no real concern since they didn't agree with me anyway."

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That was a quote from the irreverent UK tech paper I linked to, not mine.

Free speech is not unfettered as it has limits defined by not shouting fire in a crowded theater, and it's been long held that commerce can seek it's own contracts and terms. If a Parlar cannot meet those terms then good luck in the courts, or with any other options they deem viable. That's the problem with the court of public opinion sometimes as it may not comport with the law which is the final arbiter of resolution.

Seems a simple enough case of complying with the contract that before current events was not enforced too closely. It is now.

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Good and necessary point. So many do not understand the simple concept of free speech.

Urging insurrection in front of thousands in front of the WH and urging the thousands to march on the Capitol is NOT free speech. Yet, there are some here who defend Trump doing this very thing under the guise of free speech.

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Urging insurrection in front of thousands in front of the WH and urging the thousands to march on the Capitol is NOT free speech. Yet, there are some here who defend Trump doing this very thing under the guise of free speech.

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Defending Trump is easy in this case. It never happened.

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Good and necessary point. So many do not understand the simple concept of free speech.

Urging insurrection in front of thousands in front of the WH and urging the thousands to march on the Capitol is NOT free speech. Yet, there are some here who defend Trump doing this very thing under the guise of free speech.

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They have been steadily claiming the dufus made me do it! Here's an interesting poll that helps you figure out where you stand against other Americans.

Vast majority of Americans hold Trump responsible for Capitol siege: poll - Business Insider

As we can see those still SD (Shoulder Deep), are in the minority.

the purge moves to Capitol Hill . Rep Stephanie Murphy has introduced legislation that would ban any person from federal employment or military service who might have attended any protest rally that claimed the election was stolen, or even suggested that there was voter fraud.( titled the Security Clearance Improvement Act of 2021).

Anyone who is convicted of having breached the Capitol building on January 6th and committing acts of vandalism or attacks on law enforcement officers should be disqualified from obtaining a security clearance. But this bill would effectively criminalize every person who showed up for the rally and remained out in the streets protesting. The same would go for the hundreds of other rallies held across the nation in the preceding months.

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Colleen Oefelein, an associate literary agent with the New York City-based Jennifer De Chiara Literary Agency, was sacked after her boss learned that she owned accounts on Gab and Parler. The agency’s owner, Jennifer DeChiara, publicly announced on Twitter that the firm had dropped Oefelein after making the “distressing” discovery. She was not sacked for anything she posted on those sites . She only had to be registered on the sites as a pretext for getting canned .

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Hard to imagine how that would pass inspection by the courts.

As to the rest, every freedom loving American should be concerned. Guilt by association can cut in many different directions.

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the purge moves to Capitol Hill . Rep Stephanie Murphy has introduced legislation that would ban any person from federal employment or military service who might have attended any protest rally that claimed the election was stolen, or even suggested that there was voter fraud.( titled the Security Clearance Improvement Act of 2021).

Anyone who is convicted of having breached the Capitol building on January 6th and committing acts of vandalism or attacks on law enforcement officers should be disqualified from obtaining a security clearance. But this bill would effectively criminalize every person who showed up for the rally and remained out in the streets protesting. The same would go for the hundreds of other rallies held across the nation in the preceding months.

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Not criminalize Tom, that's your word but rather tighten up the security clearance process.

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Colleen Oefelein, an associate literary agent with the New York City-based Jennifer De Chiara Literary Agency, was sacked after her boss learned that she owned accounts on Gab and Parler. The agency’s owner, Jennifer DeChiara, publicly announced on Twitter that the firm had dropped Oefelein after making the “distressing” discovery. She was not sacked for anything she posted on those sites . She only had to be registered on the sites as a pretext for getting canned .

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If you have more on this story I would be interested because I could find nothing to justify this firing other than businesses running from these sites.

Literary Agency Fires Employee for Using Parler, Gab (yahoo.com)

Laws vary . Alaska gives employers more discretion than others but the terms of employment need to be specific ie employee handbook has to state that employee membership to Parler is prohibited . Also the agency operates out of NY .So not sure which state's laws apply.

But having a social media membership is enough to get canned ? Suppose my boss canned me for being a member of NRA ? Or maybe a conservative boss cans someone for having a Twitter account ?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EssitQGU...g&name=900x900

Jennifer DeChiara, - Twitter Search / Twitter

"We apologize to anyone who has been affected or offended by this." So now simply being "offended" is a major problem? Incredible. I will assume that being "offended" by someone's membership on Facebook or Twitter would not qualify as a grounds for termination.

Facebook and twitter have been cracking down as many of the social platforms have.

I just don't buy she was fired because she is a conservative Christian though. That's disturbing on many levels. More info need.

I did not say she was fired because she was a Christian or conservative .The facts are that her boss said she was fired because she used Parler and Gab ;two sites that many conservatives went to when Twitter began suspending conservatives . What Facebook does has no bearing . She was not kicked out of Twitter and her posts on Twitter were mostly job related ;non-political . Her boss started getting pressure from the intolerant cancel culture left and decided to fire her rather than face boycotts . There .....answered your question about motives .

If De Chiara's motive was that Colleen was a Christian then there would be a clear 1st amendment violation . I did not even say that the boss should face any action because of her decision. I was just pointing out in that and other examples on this thred that the left is in active purge of conservative thought mode.

She said it herself.

Agent Fired from Literary Agency for Using Parler and Gab (msn.com)

"Well thanks Twitter and @JDLitAgency," Oefelein wrote. "I just got fired because I'm a Christian and a conservative."

and ? I take the word of the person who actually fired her .

Trust but verify...good enough for Reagan!

if the person who took the action ,who is the founder of the agency ,publicly states why she did it, that pretty much verifies the story.

The cancel culture arrived this week at San Francisco. The city's school board decided to remove the names of George Washington ,Abraham Lincoln ,Paul Revere ,and other names of historical American leaders from 44 schools .

Lincoln who freed slaves was on the hit list because native Americans were mistreated during his term . Both Roosevelt Presidents made the hit list . Even down town Willie Brown was cancelled ( “responsible for much of the gentrification” in the city during his tenure. )

And what was Paul Revere's big offense ? You remember Paul Revere ,the colonial patriot who as a member of the Sons of Liberty made a midnight ride to alert the colonials that the Brits were on the march.
That don't matter . Paul made the egregious error of being a Lt Colonel in the colonial marines that took part in an expedition to recover Penobscot Bay Maine that had been lost to the Brits . The expedition was a disaster with the Americans losing all but one of 44 ships sent . It was America's worse naval loss before Pearl Harbor . Revere was put under house arrest and court-martialed on charges of cowardice and incompetence during the expedition. He was eventually exonerated . But that incident does not negate Revere's service to the country . But the board incorrectly assumed that this defeat was somehow tied to the conquest of the Penobscot Indians ;which of course is pure fiction nonsense .

The board did not consult historians while making these decisions . They relied on Wiki entries and tv shows .

OH yeah to make this bipartisan they also cancelled Dianne Feinstein . She repeatedly order the reinstalling of the Confederate flag outside city Hall when she was mayor . She also helped in the destruction of the Pilipino community through mass eviction . Well maybe this one is justified

Gotta hand it to those liberal dems. They sure know how to move things forward.

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The list also included naturalist John Muir, Spanish priest Junipero Serra, and Francis Scott Key, composer of the “Star Spangled Banner".

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yup gotta remember to finish my coffee before posting

New term for Americans. "Coffee error", defined as a justifiable and understandable error due to not having had our morning jolt of caffeine.

Gotta love snowflakes from both sides...
Interesting about getting fired for using a couple of sites.
I know the US has "at will" employment, but this is really taken things that step too far.
There's clearly more to this then just the report, bringing their employee into disrepute would be a starter.

Roll on the Thought Police, 1984 has nowt on this mess.

Any idea how Parler's claim against AWS is going ?

last I heard was that a Seattle judge rejected an injunction . No surprise there . I imagine there will be appeals .

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I don't think they've made much progress. One thing about it, though. If they get back on line, they will explode. It's hard to say how many new users would sign up after all that's gone on.