Yes Trump had nothing to do with it, it was all a leftist plot
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Yes Trump had nothing to do with it, it was all a leftist plot
"I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard."
Yes but that didn't happen, did it
On that same day, several banks were robbed. Amazingly, Trump had nothing to do with those events either. Just because something happened does not mean Trump authored it. It's a ridiculous idea born of hatred.Quote:
Yes but that didn't happen, did it
What was ironic about Sullivan's Youtube rant was that he ended his profanity laden dialogue by encouraging everyone to, "Be safe. Be blessed." I guess we should be happy he didn't suggest that they, "Be f**king blessed." The most disturbing thing about it is the knowledge that AOC and her ilk would have loved his violence-promoting rhetoric. Well no. Even more disturbing than that is the knowledge that the three supposedly freedom-loving amigos on this board who pretend to be so much in favor of non-insurrectionist, peaceful dialogue will let this video slide by without so much as a peep of protest. They are opposed to the promotion of insurrection only if they think it can be pinned on a conservative.
Sullivan was released without bail today. This even after his brother turned him in because he says Sullivan was one of the leaders of the protest /attack on the Capitol
This is a guy who is on video record as threatening the President of the United States. Even so, why am I not surprised? Will be interesting to see what ends up happening to his honest brother.Quote:
Sullivan was released without bail today.
From The Salt Lake Tribune:Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Judge Daphne Oberg denied a prosecutor’s request to keep Utah activist John Sullivan in jail, but she agreed to release him only under conditions that include electronic monitoring and a mental health evaluation.
Sullivan was in virtual court Friday afternoon, one day after being booked at the Tooele County Jail on a warrant for allegedly participating in the rioting at the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6. Sullivan was charged in federal court in the District of Columbia with civil disorder, being in a restricted area and disorderly conduct.
He previously told The Salt Lake Tribune that he attended the riot to document what was happening, but a government affidavit alleges he did more than just film. The affidavit says Sullivan yelled things such as “We accomplished this sh--. We did this together,” and, “We are all a part of this history. ... Let’s burn this s--- down.” He also broke a window and claimed to have a knife, according to the affidavit.
Sullivan claimed in a YouTube video that he was just trying to fit in at the riot for his own safety.
https://www.sltrib.com/news/2021/01/...activist-john/
If you want to be safe, then stay away from the riot.Quote:
Sullivan claimed in a YouTube video that he was just trying to fit in at the riot for his own safety.
If you listen to his rant in the video Tom linked, he is openly proclaiming his desire to assault the White House. This is not a peaceful man.
There is video proof that shows he was more than just trying to "fit in" . He was with photo journalist Jade Sacker and can be heard claiming ownership for the riot . They are both seen early ,entering the Capitol ,before anyone from the Trump rally arrived .
(9) Max Blumenthal on Twitter: "Seated w/Sullivan on CNN is Jade Sacker, a photojournalist who followed him into the Capitol to film his exploits as part of a documentary project. Here she's heard congratulating him - "We did it!" - and he says, "Is this not gonna be the best film you've ever made in yr life?" https://t.co/KWLVfgKPA7" / Twitter
And there's a name for someone like Sullivan....
Sure is. "Repeat offender"Quote:
And there's a name for someone like Sullivan....
https://universe.byu.edu/2020/07/10/...provo-protest/
He is one of the founders of Insurgence USA. How encouraging.
Leave it to the loony fringers to focus on one "lefty loon" and say nothing of the invited dufus mob of killers, assaulters, and vandals, and loony right wing sycophants. Many cops who left the places they serve and protect to visit mayhem and chaos on our capital.
Many are "repeat offenders" and planning more repeat offenses.
I have often given the Napoleon remedy to that kind of lawlessness as a solution .( a whiff of grapeshot)Quote:
Many are "repeat offenders" and planning more repeat offenses.
I'll settle for perp walks and prosecutions. Leaders and followers! You're gonna need a lot of grapes.
See years of violent evidence against Trump and enablers for Capitol riot (msn.com)
That's gripes Tal
The gripe of wrats?
You guys would know all about wratsQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Can't say we don't. A roo is a big wrat you know.
No, a roo is a failed human, they can box you know so don't give them cheekQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Is Pelosi going to file charges of impeachment against Biden since this riot occurred on his very first day in office? I have a funny feeling that this is the first of many to come. No doubt the liberal dem mayor of Portland will come forward with his usual vigorous response to the property damage.
At least things are back to normal with left wing, dem-leaning groups doing the rioting.
"Portland rioters damage ICE building; police declare 'unlawful assembly'"
https://www.foxnews.com/us/anti-bide...ortland-police
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Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Err no, but why I hear you say.
The answer is right at the lead.
Were as storming the Capitol was urged on by Mr T, quite a difference.Quote:
a demonstration against Biden and law enforcement
You should become a fiction writer. You're very good at it, and especially when you can turn "peaceful and patriotic" into "urged on by Mr. T." Very impressive imagination!Quote:
Were as storming the Capitol was urged on by Mr T, quite a difference.
10 months of violence ;arson ,vandalism ,assault of Federal buildings and on Federal personnel in Portland was called 'mostly peaceful' . Why should yesterday change anything ?
One day won't change years of pent up frustrations. Especially among the fringers...from both sides.
Protests are the American way, violence should not be tolerated.
Comparing the Portland stuff to the capital stuff is fringer propaganda. LOONY!
[Trump] called them to the rally. He told them that the future of our country was at stake, that the election had been stolen from him and that weakness could not be an answer. "Peaceful and patriotic" were tossed in at the end of his yelling when few were still listening.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
I think that most of the dufus supporters were peaceful, but like the left the right wing has it's own fringers with bad intentions that makes the whole crowd look bad.
And then he said, "Now go out there and invade the Capitol Building!!". Uhm...no, he didn't say that. I abhor what a small portion of the crowd did, and those should absolutely be arrested and charged. You know, kind of like what was NOT done to BLM protestors. But I understand their anger, and I think it has at some basis in fact. It is not going to go away.Quote:
[Trump] called them to the rally. He told them that the future of our country was at stake, that the election had been stolen from him and that weakness could not be an answer. "Peaceful and patriotic" were tossed in at the end of his yelling when few were still listening.
***No doubt the president's supporters will cite the "peacefully" part in his defense. But after two months of bizarre conspiracy theories, constant presidential complaints about a stolen election, declarations that conceding Biden's victory is not an option, and repeated warnings that the fate of the nation hangs in the balance, that is more weight than a single adverb can bear.***Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
https://reason.com/2021/01/06/here-i...d-the-capitol/
He followed the advice given by HC to Biden months ago.Quote:
declarations that conceding Biden's victory is not an option,
I think your attempt to suggest that Trump intended to incite insurrection, if that is what you are suggesting, is simply absurd.
Um, it certainly doesn't take much to get people riled up and thus incite insurrection. Be a playground monitor someday or a kindergarten teacher. Easy to whip up unsophisticated minds.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
You forget that I have vastly more experience with elem. kids than you do. As to the rest, if you want to impeach Trump for getting, "people riled up", then go for it. That is not encouraging insurrection. But you'll also have to impeach Maxine Waters, Bernie Sanders, Nancy Pelosi, and a host of other dems.Quote:
Um, it certainly doesn't take much to get people riled up and thus incite insurrection. Be a playground monitor someday or a kindergarten teacher. Easy to whip up unsophisticated minds.
Deal?
Thus, you know I am correct!Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
News flash. The people who stormed the Capitol were not elem. kids.
I guess you declined the deal.
As I said (more reading comprehension problems?), "it certainly doesn't take much to get people riled up and thus incite insurrection." And then I compared it to riling up kids on a playground or to stirring up kindergarteners.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
In fact, since the people who stormed the Capitol were NOT elem. kids (and not even kindergarteners, though they acted like kindergarteners who desperately needed a time-out), those people were adults and shudda knowed better.
jlisenbe, remember what I said earlier about incendiary rhetoric, that includes twisting things and arguing the toss.
We all like a good discussion, but this has dropped to playground level.
Really not acceptable.
Black isn't white and what's done is done.
I think everyone here agrees that what was done was terrible. The problem is when liberal dems suggest Trump was inciting insurrection. It's just an absurd suggestion that is completely untrue. And if you had made similar remarks about the BLM protestors, your statement would be much more acceptable and meaningful.Quote:
In fact, since the people who stormed the Capitol were NOT elem. kids (and not even kindergarteners, though they acted like kindergarteners who desperately needed a time-out), those people were adults and shudda knowed better.
CBen, if you want to refer to something specific, then feel free to. I don't know how to respond to something like, "...that includes twisting things and arguing the toss."
It's on many videos.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
I had stated at that time that the troublemakers were opportunists who wanted to smash and grab plus insurrectionists who were now grownups and were there only to show off their "power" and yelling ability. (Mommie had shushed them when they were still living at home and even made them sit on the naughty chair.) The REAL BLM protesters behaved themselves and did their lawful protesting.Quote:
And if you had made similar remarks about the BLM protestors, your statement would be much more acceptable and meaningful.
How do you know that?Quote:
The REAL BLM protesters behaved themselves and did their lawful protesting.
I watched on tv the live action. I later watched videos. I saw who was legally protesting with signs and chants. I saw others (heads/upper bodies covered with hoodies, faces covered, carrying clubs, guns, knives) who had no interest in protesting but went about hither and yon -- smashing, grabbing, looting, setting fires, pushing and shoving protesters.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
So in other words, you really don't know. You just think that is true. I could say that I think the Capitol protestors are not your usual Trump supporters because I watched on tv the live action. I later watched videos. I saw who was legally protesting with signs and chants. I saw others (heads/upper bodies covered with masks, faces covered, carrying clubs, guns, knives) who had no interest in protesting but went about hither and yon -- smashing, grabbing, looting, setting fires, pushing and shoving protesters.
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