Texas screwed up a few days and it cost some misery for a few during a RARE event for us. What does that have to do with the car companies?Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
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Texas screwed up a few days and it cost some misery for a few during a RARE event for us. What does that have to do with the car companies?Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
you tell me . Do you think the national grid it up to it Here is the challenge . The average home in this country uses 30 kilowat to power appliances, computers, lights and heating and air conditioning. That takes an EV 100 miles . And the grid isn't divided evenly around the nation. What happens to EV when you have Texas sized blackouts? They are already talking about needing to charge EVs in off peak hrs . But people who drive need their vehicles charged and ready to go whenever they are needed .
electric vehicles are the same fallacy hydrogen powered vehicles are. We want to reduce energy dependence and yet every thing is done to increase dependence on the grid and why, to reduce mythical global warming. Sooner or later lifestyles have to change
Ah, thank you.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Two questions for you:
1. Are Jews atheists because they don't believe Jesus is the Messiah? Can't get more anti-Christian than that. Same question (with variations) about the Sikhs, Hindus, Buddhists, Muslims, et al?
2. What, specifically, are my anti-Christian views?
You're absolutely right Tom, the grid is the crucial part of the infrastructure plan that makes everything else possible and I will admit at this time we are nowhere near close. That should change in the next decade or so, when we can talk about money for implementation and not just the huge amount of dough investment for research and development.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
ah convenience, the old excuse, the excuse for the gas guzzzling SUV, wonder how SUV will go with electric engines, won't deliver the same powerQuote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
The market DID decide and look what happened!'Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
The right is freaking out blaming AOC and the "Green" crowd for Texas. Even the governor who initially blamed the lack of updating equipment changed his tune and started dissing AOC and "Green". Does the guy know that millions of people are seeing him and his lies on TV?
As more info comes available re Texas, it's becoming very clear that the Republican powers in charge for decades had been repeatedly warned about this very thing but did NOTHING to prevent it.
The right-wing comments about wind power conveniently omit info about Canada and Greenland and other countries who have successfully utilized wind power in cold climates.
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The right-wing comments about wind power conveniently omit info about Canada and Greenland and other countries who have successfully utilized wind power in cold climates
I already addressed this . For a cost largely unjustified for a 50 year event ,the windmills can be weatherized .One of the best ways is to blow gas powered heat into the blades .
I don't give the Repubs a pass . But it is a warning sign about over reliance on renewables .Quote:
As more info comes available re Texas, it's becoming very clear that the Republican powers in charge for decades had been repeatedly warned about this very thing but did NOTHING to prevent it.
nope it was mostly a government call The market would not choose a more expensive ;less dependable method of supplying energy . see Texas Renewable portfolio standard (RPS ) . Texas’s RPS mandates 5,000 megawatts (MW) of new renewables be installed in Texas by 2015 ,and 10,000 MW of renewable energy capacity by 2025.Quote:
The market DID decide and look what happened!'
Clete they do not have the same horse power ,but electric or hybrid SUVs are available . They cost more . You know why gas lines went down in Texas ? Well it used to be that the pumps were powered by gas . But now it is mandated that they are powered by electric . So when the electric wend down the gas used as back up power did not flow .Quote:
ah convenience, the old excuse, the excuse for the gas guzzzling SUV wonder how SUV will go with electric engines, won't deliver the same power
This is actually the 3rd event in the last 19 years. Ask me how I know that as FACT?Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Nope, an initial investment to insulate with the right equipment and a routine maintenance program would have saved the misery, and lives.Quote:
I don't give the Repubs a pass . But it is a warning sign about over reliance on renewables .
That's what the energy providers sold the politicians at a cheap price with enough subsidies and loopholes to drive a truck through.Quote:
nope it was mostly a government call The market would not choose a more expensive ;less dependable method of supplying energy . see Texas Renewable portfolio standard (RPS ) . Texas’s RPS mandates 5,000 megawatts (MW) of new renewables be installed in Texas by 2015 ,and 10,000 MW of renewable energy capacity by 2025.
What part of frozen supply lines are we disputing here Tom? Abbott already tried that spin. Even if what you say is true it was repubs who mandated the protocols that led to this failure, and while not the first failure definitely the worst. Failure to address the real problem because of cost cutting just gets worse. The cold caused the diminished capacity to meet the increased demand.Quote:
Clete they do not have the same horse power ,but electric or hybrid SUVs are available . They cost more . You know why gas lines went down in Texas ? Well it used to be that the pumps were powered by gas . But now it is mandated that they are powered by electric . So when the electric wend down the gas used as back up power did not flow .
Former governor Rick Perry said it best
Rick Perry suggests Texans prefer blackouts to federal energy regulation (yahoo.com)
You buying that too? Wonder who he asked? Certainly nobody in my family who lost power for days. Having your own grid may puff up the ego, but a screw up can't be blamed on the feds, or federal policy.
Can't wait for my next electric bill.
so this is a prime example of why the environmental lobby is wrong, diversity is what keeps systems running, redundancy is what keeps systems running, it is not the planet that is in danger, it is the population, in danger of foolish ideas carried to extreme. we had the same sort of thing happen here a whole state reliant on wind power without supply because coal fired base line generation had been dismantled, they are reliant on battery back up now but it is still a foolish ideaQuote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
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'Nuff said.Quote:
from Talinman
This is actually the 3rd event in the last 19 years.
The previous two were not comparable to this one. "Texans are preparing themselves for a winter storm predicted to be unlike anything they've seen in decades.A polar vortex will bring temperatures in the Lone Star State to below zero in the coming days, according to the National Weather Service. The service has issued a winter storm warning for the entire state.Quote:
This is actually the 3rd event in the last 19 years.
'Nuff said.
In Houston, the NWS issued a wind chill warning for the first time in the city. Even as far south as San Antonio, residents are expected to receive two-to-three inches between Sunday and Monday morning."
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...m-polar-vortex
if it is the third event in 19 years, then precautions surely need to be taken to secure power supply. Someone is derelict in thier duty, several someones, state governors and the like. Don't tell me it is up to the market, legislators need to make sure the market is responsive
The Republican government were repeatedly warned that precautions needed to be implemented. They refused to do so. Derelict in their duty is a good way to put it. The oft-quoted mantra of the right that the market will correct things failed miserably in this instance. Effective regulation was the answer - an answer ignored, leading to death and misery.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Much more simple undertaking to make nukes or natural gas facilities weather secure as opposed to solar or wind.
You must secure all your systems for efficient functions in all conditions. Anything less is irresponsible.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
How do you secure solar against a covering of snow and loss of sunshine, how do you secure wind when the wind doesn't blow or they fail becuase of ice and snow. how do you secure the grid from similiar conditions, well at least that can be done, you underground it. Over reliance on market forces means you get the least done to secure the system, under reliance on regulation means you get the least done to secure the system. Seems to me you have a lot of slackers over there
Central Texas near Ft Hood ,they had a record 205 hrs below freezing between 2/10 and today . Previous record was 150 hrs in 1983 .Abiline had 252 consecutive hours . So no ;this is something Texas has not experienced recently .Quote:
This is actually the 3rd event in the last 19 years.
still no excuse Tom, climate change means the unpredictable can happen, will happen and has to be anticipated. Business as usual is never a good model
come on man !! (apologies to Quid) you can't prepare for all contingencies and it is silly to expend a lot of resources preparing for a 100 year event . Multi car pile ups happen in the southern states because they don't have mountains of salt and sand ready to spread at the 1st sign of a snow flake .
Don't you live in the country that recently had devastating wildfires? Why weren't they anticipated and prevented? Truth is, stuff happens, but this reliance on wind turbines just makes no sense.Quote:
the unpredictable can happen, will happen and has to be anticipated.
for the same reason they arn't in your country, too much listening to environmentalists who fought against burn off of fuel loads and created the environment where these things could happen. For centuries the aboriginal burnt the country but these johnnie come latelies knew better and what did we get? massive fires that could not be contained. I'm sure you have those who think clean air paramount to public safety. I agree that wind turbines might be part of the mix but absolute foolishness to rely on them for base load. We learned that the hard way in South Australia when a leftist government shut down coal fired base loadQuote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
First you said, "...the unpredictable can happen, will happen and has to be anticipated." Now you say, "for the same reason they arn't in your country." And that was my objection. It would be great if every unpredictable act of nature could be anticipated and prevented, but that sometimes simply doesn't happen. True here, and true in your country. The question now is whether or not we will learn anything from it. One can only hope.
Bush fires are anticipated in my country, they are an inevitable part of living here, however exactly when and where they will happen is unknown. Much of the fires we incur are either stupidity or lightning but unfortunately the former is all too prevalent, from kids, to trail bikes to unattended camp fires, to local burn offs that got away, this even happens to the experts. They are anticipated with every small town having a bush fire brigade manned by volunteers equiped by government.
What I see here is that you cannot take criticism of obvious bloody minded policies by your local government authorities who have failed your public miserably
Actually it’s the hyper critical, know it all attitude that gets old. Hopefully it will occur to you some day that you might miss a few things from 12,000 miles away.
You fail to understand that everything that happens in your country is under a microscope of international media. If we miss anything it is because of the bias of the media who selectively report the news. We may as well live on the same continent so intent is the media on reporting everything that happens and, of course, we have the internet, much maligned, but still effective
Brush fires in Australia are given a long winded explanation telling us about how many unexpected events influence those events. When it comes to the U.S., it is " bloody minded policies by your local government authorities who have failed your public miserably." That's what I mean about the hyper-critical attitude. Texas struggled during the ice storm, but the rest of the country rode it out quite well. I'll take this winter storm as opposed to tens of thousands of square miles going up in smoke.
Our Bush fires don't cause 100 vehicle pile ups on freeways becuase roads are shut when the threat appears, please explain why your roads remained open
What difference does it make? You have problems, and we have problems. Some are handled well, and some are not. It is a common experience.Quote:
Our Bush fires don't cause 100 vehicle pile ups on freeways becuase roads are shut when the threat appears, please explain why your roads remained open
You pick one localized issue to compare to a national crisis? Are you numb to the fact you live in a glass house?Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
we all live in glass houses Tal, you are sensitive because it happened in your state, perhaps even to you but it was far from a localised issue. Bad weather appears to be the achillies heal of the US, you may not realise it but you suffer far more of it if news reports are to be believed.
I'm sure you can forgive me being an old grouch having suffered through this covid thing the weather and 4 years of the dufus and his lunatic cult. The effects seem to linger.
Actually it was localized, being primarily in various parts of Texas and Louisiana.Quote:
it was far from a localised issue.
That's quite a statement coming from a citizen of a country where more than 50% of the land is basically desert. Bad weather events in our country get a lot of press, but when you consider how large the U.S. is, it is a very small part of the whole.Quote:
Bad weather appears to be the achillies heal of the US, you may not realise it but you suffer far more of it if news reports are to be believed.
This belongs on the thread about big tech, but it seems to not be working for some reason. I don't think this is the "most powerful piece of political art I've ever seen", but it is powerful.
https://www.bing.com/images/blob?bcid=SOW3YymowmwC9w
And the desert is over reported about Australia you forget this land is as large as the US and you have deserts too. The big difference is the abundance of water. All it takes to make our arid lands bloom is water. We make good use of the land we have thus our place in the economic scheme of thingsQuote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Aussie land is large but smaller than the U.S. by nearly a million square miles. You have about 8% of our population and less than 8% of our economy, so that says a lot. But I was not making an anti-Australia comment. I like and respect your country. I was simply pointing out that weather is a major problem in your country. It's why most of the country cannot be meaningfully farmed or inhabited.Quote:
And the desert is over reported about Australia you forget this land is as large as the US and you have deserts too. The big difference is the abundance of water. All it takes to make our arid lands bloom is water. We make good use of the land we have thus our place in the economic scheme of things
The weather problems here are not of the same magnitude, now that may be because of lower population. We have learned to live with drought and floods, with bush fires and while these things devastate the regions they affect the effects are mitigated. The reason much of the inland is arid or marginal lands is lack of water. You are blessed with the great lakes, we have no such system to sustain the inland otherwise it would be populated as yours is. Such arable land as there is, is well used and we export agricultural products to the world so your comments show lack of knowledge. you cannot tell what a place is like by looking at a map. This is the sixth largest nation on Earth by area and that million square miles you use to claim your ascendancy we possess in Antartica.We are the 15th largest nation economically, not bad for a nation with only 8% of your population. The weather here is beautiful one day and sublime the next, only on a few days of the year do we experience storms. Perhaps you have never heard this is "the great south land of the Holy Spirit" a different placeQuote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
I'm not arguing with any of that. I am simply pointing out that your weather problems are at least as serious as ours if you count, as you should, lack of rainfall to be a weather problem.
We both know very well that Antarctica is not a part of Australia.Quote:
we possess in Anarctica
The GL do not sustain the inland. It is sustained by adequate rainfall as is most of the country. I'm sure your arable land is well used. I've never said otherwise. Your comment shows a lack of comprehension.Quote:
You are blessed with the great lakes, we have no such system to sustain the inland otherwise it would be populated as yours is. Such arable land as there is, is well used and we export agricultural products to the world so your comments show lack of knowledge.
don't you have deserts that lack rainfall, your south west is arid lands how much of your land is unusable or tied up in federal lands?
Yes, we have a desert area and it is large. It is located in the SW. Most of the fed lands are either woodlands, national parks, or large areas which are leased to cattle ranchers. If it was up to me, we'd sell off most of it. I have no idea how much of our land is unusable. Some of the dry areas are farmed with irrigation. Don't really know but looking on a map, I'd guess 15% or so.
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