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There ya go with your proof passages again, JL, those "gotcha" Bible verses. If we go with those, it sounds like only (maybe?) 829 people will end up in heaven, people who were able to cut the mustard according to the narrow qualifications you have squeezed out of the NT.
Uhm...10 passages amounts to an avalanche of “proof passages” I would think. How many would you consider sufficient? As to your figure of 829, I have no idea of where that comes from. The glory is in the simplicity of the arrangement. “Behold I lay in Zion a choice stone...and he who believes in him will not be disappointed.”
And by the way, where is your accusation of meanness towards Athos for his ugly comments towards Tom? Why are you so selective in your disapproval? And why did you not correct Athos for his use of the ONE passage from Luke as a proof text??? Why the seeming prejudice? If you want to be taken seriously, then shouldn’t you be consistent?
Athos and I are. You and Tom missed the boat.Quote:
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Thank you for taking absolutely nothing seriously. But I will agree with you on one point. You are Athos certainly are consistently opposed to the idea of exalting Christ as the source of salvation for man. If I was you, I would be worried about that.Quote:
Athos and I are. You and Tom missed the boat.
You can tell when it is a slow news day when we start debating the good news of Jesus the one piece of news which is beyond debate
That's probably easier than defending the lying cheating incompetent dufus the American people just booted out of office.
No, you miss the bigger message of what Christ really means to all of mankind. How interesting that you limit His work as Savior!Quote:
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OK. What is that message that is "bigger" than Christ as Savior, an aspect you so steadfastly resist? Even beyond that, what does "Savior" mean to you? And as much as you seem to dislike the use of the Bible to support Christian views, perhaps you could do that on this occasion?Quote:
No, you miss the bigger message of what Christ really means to all of mankind. How interesting that you limit His work as Savior!
You've already misread my post and gone off down a side road that will take you to a dead end.Quote:
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Why am I not surprised? Some things are utterly predictable.
Please respond to my post after reading what I ACTUALLY wrote. E.g., I did not write about a message bigger than Christ. I have not resisted Christ as Savior.Quote:
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Respond to your post? OK. What do you mean when you refer to, "bigger message of what Christ really means to all of mankind?" What is that "bigger message"? And when you consider that I never described His work as Savior, then how would you be able to know I "limited" that role?Quote:
Please respond to my post after reading what I ACTUALLY wrote. E.g., I did not write about a message bigger than Christ. I have not resisted Christ as Savior.
Perhaps you could be nice enough to refer to scripture to support your response. I listed ten passages which you dismissed as nothing more than "gotcha" scriptures, which I find to be astonishing. So tell us your meaning with support.
"...THE bigger message of what Christ really means to all of mankind."Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Unconditional love.
Well, one thing is for sure. No one can accuse you of using "proof texts", or any other texts for that matter. As to your "unconditional love", read John 3:16 to find out what that is.
Yep, God's unconditional love for us gave us Jesus. If there wouldn't have been unconditional love, there wouldn't have been a Savior.Quote:
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Didn’t read John 3:16, did ya? Especially that part about, “whosoever believes in Him.”
Cherry picker! Read the entire Bible to find out how God's unconditional love works.Quote:
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I feel sorry for you. You have chosen to believe your own thoughts rather than the repeated teachings of the Bible, and your only weak plea is to appeal to "the entire Bible", though you can't think of a single passage to support your belief. It's really very sad to watch, a woman who refuses to believe.Quote:
Cherry picker! Read the entire Bible to find out how God's unconditional love works.
I REFUSE to throw out proof passages! Your continuous scolding and slamming of me says you have no idea what unconditional love is.Quote:
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You don't "throw out" proof passages because you don't have any. Well, you have been presented with the truth. The rest is up to you.
I've spent my life accumulating and memorizing proof passages. They aren't worth the paper they're printed on if I just regurgitate them.Quote:
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it is you who are utterly predictableQuote:
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I certainly hope so. That would make me consistent.Quote:
it is you who are utterly predictable
consistently annoying perhaps
You get annoyed because I don't buy all the wild tales you try to spread here. So who's problem is that?
wild tales? anything I say is based on fact, you may not like it but thems the breaks. You need to get some perspective the world is not what you would like it to be
Hardly, but we'll start tracking that anew. I imagine another wild tale such as you actually thinking you knew more about economics than Trump because you ran a few smallish companies comes to mind immediately. But we'll just track from here on out. It won't take long.Quote:
anything I say is based on fact
In my studies I did several subjects in economics so I am well versed in the concepts of both micro and macro economics and my post graduate studies took me into business systems and government. My qualifications are the equivalent of a MBA so I am well qualified to comment on Trump's performance and theories. What you don't know about me is a great deal and the companies I was involved it over my career were not just small companiesQuote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
I don't discredit any of that. You know more than Trump? I very seriously doubt that.
Trump has a degree in economics I, as I said have the equivalent of an MBA so we both know similar things and we are both "skilled" in business administration. He had the advantage of millions available to him to set him up, I on the other hand started with absolutely nothing. Some of his economic policies were not soundly based such as using tariffs as sanctions
An MBA is a masters degree, Trump's degree is a batchelor's degree, I also hold two fellowships related to business administration. I do this to pass the time
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Jumping in here and seeing your post on Trump, your putting in quotes his "skill" probably reflects the truth. His starting advantage of about 400 million, being repeatedly bailed out by his father, and inheriting the father's business does not speak well for his business acumen. It's hard to credit his economic degree since he doesn't understand the basic principles of a tariff - something a fifth grader could be taught. His "deal" making has been a disaster - rejected by N Korea and threatening the allies are hardly the marks of a skilled dealmaker. Inheriting a recovering economy begun by Obama is no credit to Trump.
The man is a disaster in so many ways, and several of those ways will shortly be exposed for all the world to see. Your qualifications are far greater than anything Trump ever achieved on his own.
(Behind me, I 'm hearing the amazing news from Georgia - the Democrats now ahead in one race and tied in the other).
What's so amazing, people like to be on the winning side, not the whingeing side, this is a race being run after the event, the dynamics will be different
What's amazing is the turnout that will put the dems in control of the senate and regulate the "grim reaper" to a minority leader without the power to control the legislative agenda as he has done for so many years. Biden gets his cabinet and judges, and agenda if the dems can consolidate.
The swamp has been cleared of the biggest critter, and the toilet of incompetence has a good chance to be flushed.
PS. I personally think you are more capable than the dufus to run a business openly and HONESTLY, Clete, but getting elected to run government maybe not.
I have no aspiration to lead government, Tal, never was a public speaker, but I have been an innovator and early adopter of technology. As an analyst I can see things that others might miss. No it seems Trump didn't make the difference that was needed in Georgia which must be suffering from electoral fatigue by now
You kind of failed to mention that he has led businesses a couple of hundred times larger than anything you have led. Now I don't discount your skills, abilities, or accomplishments. But for you to say you knew more about economics than him was really out there.Quote:
An MBA is a masters degree, Trump's degree is a batchelor's degree, I also hold two fellowships related to business administration. I do this to pass the time
No academics would disagree
Sure they wouldn’t. I do think they would agree that having the "equivalent of an MBA" is not the same thing as actually having earned an MBA.
And he --tRump -- did a terrific job of destroying them.Quote:
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I'd go to 'Clete with my econ questions before I'd ask tRump.
I have spent many of my years in study, Jl, far more than Trump, who "earned" an undergraduate degree, the only thing that didn't happen was the confiring of the degree because I took a different path also no organisation that I led or administered in ever filed for bankruptcy, they were all successful, can you say the same for Trump?Quote:
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Wonder how many of those dufus companies are shell companies for hiding shady deals and money laundering? Not so far fetched since he cheated the government and got booted from rent subsidies, his charities disbanded and he was banned from any future charity activity, and his University endeavors had to pay back the students he cheated.
I doubt Clete has come close to achieving such dishonesty, and no doubt who I would trust with a few bucks.
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