You don't really think he is showing no symptoms, he has visibly aged
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You don't really think he is showing no symptoms, he has visibly aged
He was (is still?) on dexamethasone, a steroid!!! and other drugs.... He's a control freak. He wasn't discharged; he checked out (like it was a hotel). This week will be interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
I see. I was just going on what the doctors said. Silly me.
Trump is the commander in chief. The doctors are part of the military and/or under the military umbrella. Understand now? (And of course you noticed how they always hedged, and he 'may not entirely be out of the woods'.)Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
what you have are two opposing views; reality and hyperbole. The doctors know that recover takes time and he may never fully recover particularly at his age, Trump lives in fear he will lose the election and therefore cannot be seen to be anything less than perfect
Not a bit strange. It's an example showing the great disparity (unfairness) in taxes between the rich and the poor. See the next answer for your 4K tax.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Ok, thanks for writing this. NOW I understand your confusion. Your example of 4K makes my argument just as compelling! Now the disparity is $800,000 as against $46,000.Quote:
If the man making 50K pays in only 4K in income tax, thus making the wealthy man pay in 50X more, then that would make your argument seem far less compelling.
No, I engage in tax discussions to show the unfairness and ways to make it fair.Quote:
Is that why you did it?
Here's one way - why not tax capital gains the way income is taxed?
There is no confusion. You used a flat tax for your comparison knowing full well that we don't operate under a flat tax. You did it, I imagine, because it made the numbers work better for you. When you compare a million dollar income with a 50K income, the million dollar guy is going to come off looking better. Is that surprising?Quote:
Ok, thanks for writing this. NOW I understand your confusion. Your example of 4K makes my argument just as compelling! Now the disparity is $800,000 as against $46,000.
If you look, however, at taxes paid by both people, it comes to 200,000 versus 4,000, a 5,000% differential. So he made 20X more income, but paid 50X more in taxes. Hmm. Turns out the rich guy bore a MUCH larger share of the burden, doesn't it? Sounds beyond fair to me. If we didn't have that wealthy guy, we'd be in a fix.
I'd go with a flat tax that would be keyed to the budget. Spend more, then tax more. No more borrowing other than in genuine national emergencies. If we had to start paying for what we are spending, then spending would go down in a heartbeat. We'd get rid of the lying, deceitful dems and repubs in Congress. No deductions other than exceptional medical expenses. Want to tax cap gains? Fine with me. Just do away with deficit spending.
Oh come on. If they had said something negative, you would believe them instantly. You are actually suggesting he is being treated by crooked doctors, and when they say the pres has no symptoms, they are lying. So it's a big conspiracy??? Are UFOs involved as well?Quote:
Trump is the commander in chief. The doctors are part of the military and/or under the military umbrella. Understand now? (And of course you noticed how they always hedged, and he 'may not entirely be out of the woods'.)
Doctors always hedge. It's called "being cautious".
Crooked is just you're latest exaggeration. The doctors are clearly under orders to NOT tell the full truth, except he ain't of the woods yet.
So the docs are lying, but they are not crooked. Well, OK.Quote:
The doctors are clearly under orders to NOT tell the full truth
At any rate, you have no idea if they are under orders to, "NOT tell the full truth" or not. It's a ridiculous claim on your part. What are you, part of the Secret Service???
They have publicly said they erred by putting an optimistic spin on the dufus condition, as well as cited HIPPAA considerations for not disclosing certain specific information, which no doubt was the dufus idea, right or wrong, since he is a public figure, but still retains a right, as do we all, to decide who gets our medical information. So they are neither crooked or lying.
They said he no longer had symptoms. If that is not true, then they are lying.
Being asymptomatic doesn't mean you don't have covid, so that's no lie.
This is the typical spin put out by the democrat party cheering news media.
There was no criticism of anyone for anything there. The spokesman simply pointed out that Trump could now speak with first hand experience on the virus, something Biden could not do. To say he "criticized" Biden for, "not having contracted the virus himself," is ridiculous.Quote:
A spokeswoman for his campaign on Monday criticized the Democratic presidential nominee, former Vice President Joe Biden, for having not contracted the virus himself.
"He has experience now fighting the coronavirus as an individual," Erin Perrine, director of press communications for Trump's campaign, said in an interview with Fox News Monday morning. "Those first-hand experiences Joe Biden, he doesn't have those."
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trum...ry?id=73435073
Oh stop muddying the waters. There was no suggestion the doctors said he no longer had the virus. They said he no longer had symptoms. If he did have symptoms, then they lied. If he did not have symptoms, then you should believe them.Quote:
Being asymptomatic doesn't mean you don't have covid, so that's no lie.
Are you crazy or something? They doped the dufus up because he did have symptoms, and tested positive for the disease. I think your waters were already pretty muddy. We won't know the course of the virus for several days yet.
You didn't notice his coughing that was poorly editing out of that four-minute video in the hospital? or the way he had to haul himself up the steps to the WH? or his labored breathing once he got to the balcony?Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Prednisone nicely covered up my aplastic anemia symptoms and made me super happy and confident, even a bit crazy, as dexamethasone has done for his covid.
No one has suggested otherwise other than the "doped up" part that is just laughable. Of course he HAD symptoms. HAD is past tense. He HAS no symptoms now according to his docs. That is present tense. You must stop living in the past.Quote:
Are you crazy or something? They doped the dufus up because he did have symptoms, and tested positive for the disease. I think your waters were already pretty muddy. We won't know the course of the virus for several days yet.
You think his docs lied. I think they are telling the truth. You believe in conspiracies such as the editing of tapes to cover up a cough. I think that's a stretch. You think you know how his docs treated him. I kind of doubt that.Quote:
You didn't notice his coughing that was poorly editing out of that four-minute video in the hospital? or the way he had to haul himself up the steps to the WH? or his labored breathing once he got to the balcony?
Prednisone nicely covered up my aplastic anemia symptoms and made me super happy and confident, even a bit crazy, as dexamethasone has done for his covid.
You know how crazy you're talking this morning JL? Much crazier than normal so maybe YOU have new meds, or the old ones need renewing? Or maybe you took a double dose of dufus BS today?
As usual, throwing around nonsense with no specifics at all. I must admit that you are very good at talking a great deal about nothing. It seems to be your specialty.
Keep working on the past tense/present tense deal. You'll get it one day soon. It's really not that hard.
You're a NUT!
No, I don't think his doctors lied. They hedged: he "may not entirely be out of the woods". And watch the videos, please. More than once. You can see his chest move and head jerk with the cough, and you can see him trying to catch his breath once he reached the balcony.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Of course it's not surprising that the million dollar guy is going to come off looking better. That's the issue – how the the tax system favors the rich. You are inadvertently supporting our thesis. Thank youQuote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
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Turns out the rich guy bore a MUCH larger share of the burden,
In a progressive tax system, the richer always have a larger tax liability than the poorer. That's the nature of a progressive tax system. Our point is that, even though the rich pay more taxes, the work of the poor supports the rich getting those big bucks. That's why, when you keep harping on the tax paid by the rich, we know you are missing the point being made.
I'm glad you agree with treating capital gains with the same rate as earned income. How about taxing corporations' off shore profits at least as much as we tax their US profits.Quote:
Want to tax cap gains? Fine with me.
The doctor (an osteopath!!!) also said he didn't tell the truth (or omitted the truth - can't remember) because he wanted to keep everything "positive". It was an important stat about lung test results. Also he skated on Trump's blood oxygen percentage. I'm sure Trump is telling them what to say and what to avoid. Now that I've read two books about Trump by people who knew him intimately, nothing Trump does would surprise me. .Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Finally. The truth has come forth! Thank you so much! It is not only larger, it is proportionally much larger as in the example we looked at. 20X more income, but 50X more tax paid.Quote:
In a progressive tax system, the richer always have a larger tax liability than the poorer.
The rich are better off than the not-rich, but no because of tax policies. It is because THEY ARE RICH.
I'm open to considering a lot of things as long as we have a balanced budget.Quote:
I'm glad you agree with treating capital gains with the same rate as earned income. How about taxing corporations' off shore profits at least as much as we tax their US profits.
The docs said he had no symptoms when discharged. That's the statement we are discussing. Either they lied or they didn't. WG is trying to camp out somewhere in the middle.
I'm not. Trump's doctors are/were.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Why won't the doctors reveal when Trump last tested negative? They are playing Trump's game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
You're welcome, but that was a given from day one. Nobody ever denied that.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
As it should be - but not large enough. Trump dropped the rate to accommodate himself while promising a $4000 reduction for the middle class and a big jump in growth. His promises never came to be.Quote:
It is not only larger, it is proportionally much larger
Tax policies play a big part. The real problem is the redistribution of wealth from the bottom to the top. To say the rich are rich because they are rich deserves no comment.Quote:
The rich are better off than the not-rich, but no because of tax policies. It is because THEY ARE RICH.
That's a half-truth and the doctor knows it. They say it like it's all that needs to be said. There's much more.Quote:
The docs said he had no symptoms when discharged. That's the statement we are discussing. Either they lied or they didn't.
WG is right on target. She keyed on asymptomatic which is a huge problem with COVID.Quote:
WG is trying to camp out somewhere in the middle.
Sure they didn't.Quote:
Nobody ever denied that.
We can argue how large it should be. I'm just glad we are no longer discussing whether or not it exists.Quote:
As it should be - but not large enough
If anyone had said that, you would be right. Since it hasn't been said, then...Quote:
To say the rich are rich because they are rich deserves no comment.
So now you know what the docs know? Wow. Amazing. And half-truths are also known as lies.Quote:
That's a half-truth and the doctor knows it
No, she didn't. She keyed in on the docs saying he had no symptoms when, according to her, he did. Remember the great, hidden cough conspiracy she brought up? You think the whole thing is tied to either UFOs or the Kennedy assassination?Quote:
She keyed on asymptomatic
What I think is that you're an a**hole. I've been too good to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
The. Doctor. Said. He. "may not entirely be out of the woods.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Watch the videos!!! (Put on your glasses first!) The Republicans poorly edited out the coughing.
My husband had a cardio appointment this afternoon. His doctor remarked that people with diabetes, heart problems, lung problems, and kidney problems are fair game for covid, but it can affect anyone. AND too often they are without obvious symptoms even when they have tested positive.
Well, so much for you dropping the name-calling, and you are plainly out of ideas. It's the number one indicator. You run out of ideas so you start the name-calling. WG is nicer, but she just disappears for a while.Quote:
What I think is that you're an a**hole.
The same doctor who said he was symptom free? Why do you believe one statement but not the other? Oh well. Lying doctors and conspiracies. All I know is he is said to be symptom free. Why on earth that has to be debated endlessly is beyond me.Quote:
The. Doctor. Said. He. "may not entirely be out of the woods."
Only when I get tired of being put down or if I have no interest in current threads.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Yes, you can be symptom free but not yet "out of the woods," as Dr. Conley said and as my husband's cardio doctor told him today. The next seven or so days of Trump's life will solve that mystery.Quote:
The same doctor who said he was symptom free?
Sounds reasonable to me.Quote:
Yes, you can be symptom free but not yet "out of the woods".
Thankfully you are courteous enough not to call dumb names. I will tell you, that gets old. It is such a low-class, non-thinking approach. I do appreciate you not doing it.
Are you taking prednisone?Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
What?
You're suddenly so charming and happy and even fun!Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
I have not ALWAYS been charming, happy, and fun??? 8D
Perhaps I should try that prednisone.
Um, no.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
I have a month's supply. What's your address? :-DQuote:
Perhaps I should try that prednisone.
OK. Just for that, no more Mr. Nice Guy!! 8DQuote:
Um, no.
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