Ask Me Help Desk

Ask Me Help Desk (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/forum.php)
-   Current Events (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/forumdisplay.php?f=486)
-   -   Antifa the 21st Century Jacobins (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/showthread.php?t=847502)

  • Jun 24, 2020, 04:34 AM
    jlisenbe
    Read this statement by Charles Darwin last night. I suppose the mobs will begin pulling his statues down and removing all references to him from our textbooks. "According to the laws of natural selection, the European race will emerge as the distinct species homo sapiens, and all the transitional forms - the gorilla, the chimpanzee, the Negro, and the Australian Aborigine - will be extinguished in the struggle."
    Hard to imagine a more racist perspective than that one. If we plan on pulling down statues of Grant, Jefferson, and Washington, then what on earth should be done with Darwin?
  • Jun 24, 2020, 05:39 AM
    talaniman
    It ain't easy correcting the record for accuracy is it? Maybe we should have done that before we tagged them with the hero label and stuck their images on pedestals, and immortalized them by naming stuff after them.
  • Jun 24, 2020, 06:01 AM
    tomder55
    I still say we have to pull down every reference of Margaret Sanger ;including organizations and institutions she started :

    The object of civilization is to obtain the highest and most splendid culture of which humanity is capable. But such attainment is unthinkable if we continue to breed from the present race stock that yields us our largest amount of progeny. Some method must be devised to eliminate the degenerate and the defective; for these act constantly to impede progress and ever increasingly drag down the human race. This is especially the case in the nations which have reached the highest degree of civilization, for it is just in these nations that the degenerate and defective are enabled to produce the largest number of progeny.(A Better Race Through Birth Control By Margaret Sanger)


    “The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We don’t want the word to get out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members.”
    (Margaret Sanger commenting on the 'Negro Project' in a letter to Gamble, Dec. 10, 1939).

    "While I personally believe in the sterilization of the feeble-minded, the insane and syphilitic, I have not been able to discover that these measures are more than superficial deterrents when applied to the constantly growing stream of the unfit. They are excellent means of meeting a certain phase of the situation, but I believe in regard to these, as in regard to other eugenic means, that they do not go to the bottom of the matter." ("Birth Control and Racial Betterment," Feb. 1919, The Birth Control Review).

    [The government should] “give certain dysgenic groups in our population their choice of segregation or sterilization.”
    (Sanger “A Plan for Peace” (1932))

    “Eugenics is the most adequate and thorough avenue to the solution of racial, political and social problems.” (
    Margaret Sanger, April 1933 Birth Control Review. )
  • Jun 24, 2020, 07:00 AM
    talaniman
    I think we do well to be aware of folks that think like this, and keep our guard up and stay vigilant to others that believe in such arbitrary controls. I can see science advancing and giving us better options for human health and well being but for now I can live with patients and doctors having the choice of choosing their options.

    I just ain't for burning books just yet Tom, guess I've seen to many horror movies of that type of society. Right now we seem to stuck on truth in history and the statues that it spawned. Personally I would watch all the actions we take especially from the loony extremist fringes on both sides. That is how we got a lot of those statues in the first place.
  • Jun 24, 2020, 08:13 AM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    I just ain't for burning books just yet Tom,
    just toppling statues ?
    Erasing history and banning thought is what totalitarians do
  • Jun 24, 2020, 09:10 AM
    talaniman
    I go back to my accuracy comments from before. I always thought there was a lawful orderly process to address some of this stuff. Everything seems so emotionally driven all of a sudden.
  • Jun 24, 2020, 09:15 AM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    I go back to my accuracy comments from before. I always thought there was a lawful orderly process to address some of this stuff. Everything seems so emotionally driven all of a sudden.
    yup a town board voting to remove a monument as opposed to mob rule . Or I heard another one yesterday that stuck with me . Rising civilizations build monuments ;declining ones tear their monuments down.
  • Jun 24, 2020, 09:16 AM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    I just ain't for burning books just yet Tom,
    Are we supposed to be happy that you haven't yet decided that we need to burn books?
  • Jun 24, 2020, 09:21 AM
    talaniman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Are we supposed to be happy that you haven't yet decided that we need to burn books?

    Why would I even care that a right wing sourpuss with a bad memory is happy or not about anything, let alone my opinion?

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    yup a town board voting to remove a monument as opposed to mob rule . Or I heard another one yesterday that stuck with me . Rising civilizations build monuments ;declining ones tear their monuments down.

    I can see us declining, or at least leaning way over in the wrong direction.
  • Jun 24, 2020, 09:24 AM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    a right wing sourpuss with a bad memory
    So you're a right winger now? Well that's a surprise.
  • Jun 24, 2020, 09:33 AM
    talaniman
    I don't identify as one, but recognize them when I see, or hear them.
  • Jun 24, 2020, 09:50 AM
    tomder55
    now the anarchist nihilist mob is tearing down statues of abolitionist heroes who died trying to end slavery .
    https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/...ow/3248692001/
  • Jun 24, 2020, 09:56 AM
    talaniman
    Can't tell a loony from a criminal, from a reasonable lawful citizen anymore.
  • Jun 24, 2020, 10:05 AM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    Can't tell a loony from a criminal, from a reasonable lawful citizen anymore.
    The reasonable lawful citizens are the ones NOT tearing down statues, not cursing and spitting at cops, and NOT burning stores. They might be peacefully protesting, but that's as far as they take it.
  • Jun 24, 2020, 10:52 AM
    talaniman
    We agree on something finally.
  • Jun 24, 2020, 11:11 AM
    jlisenbe
    Happy days are here again!
  • Jun 24, 2020, 01:03 PM
    tomder55
    https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...a2&oe=5F1AFC7D
  • Jun 24, 2020, 01:46 PM
    Athos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Read this statement by Charles Darwin last night. I suppose the mobs will begin pulling his statues down and removing all references to him from our textbooks. "According to the laws of natural selection, the European race will emerge as the distinct species homo sapiens, and all the transitional forms - the gorilla, the chimpanzee, the Negro, and the Australian Aborigine - will be extinguished in the struggle."
    Hard to imagine a more racist perspective than that one. If we plan on pulling down statues of Grant, Jefferson, and Washington, then what on earth should be done with Darwin?

    A clear confirmation that you are a racist. You tried to hide it by couching the Darwin comment as a "racist perspective", but we know better, don't we?

    You just happened to be reading Darwin last night, and you just happened to see the quote, and you just decided to show the quote in its lurid detail without omitting a word. Do you think anyone believes you?
  • Jun 24, 2020, 02:40 PM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    A clear confirmation that you are a racist. You tried to hide it by couching the Darwin comment as a "racist perspective", but we know better, don't we?
    Now that's real intelligence at work. Darwin said something, so I'm a racist. Have you always been this confused?

    Quote:

    You just happened to be reading Darwin last night, and you just happened to see the quote, and you just decided to show the quote in its lurid detail without omitting a word. Do you think anyone believes you?
    Yeah. I was reading last night. You ought to try it sometimes. And yeah, when I read, I see material. Isn't that amazing!! I was not reading one of Darwin's works. I was reading Reflections on the Existence of God. The author had that quote by Darwin, so I posted it here. Stop wetting your pants every time someone takes a breath. It is possible to simply make a rational, logical objection that can be responded to. Give it a shot.

    It's like I said earlier. Discussing something with you is like talking to a four year old. "Oh! You quoted Darwin, so you're a racist. And we don't believe that you posted a quote by Darwin! We think you made it all up!! Oh! Oh!"

    Good grief. Calm down.

    Here it is in context. "At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilized races of man will almost certainly exterminate and replace throughout the world the savage races. At the same time the anthropomorphous apes [that is, the ones which look most like the savages in structure] ... will no doubt be exterminated. The break will then be rendered wider, for it will intervene between man in a more civilized state, as we may hope ... the Caucasian, and some ape as low as a baboon, instead of as at present between the negro or Australian and the gorilla."

    Whatever antagonism Darwin had against slavery — which was indeed considerable, given his dissenter upbringing — these too are his words. Whatever grandiose statements he made on behalf of the beauty of moral sympathy, these too are his words. And these words could not be more clear. "According to the laws of natural selection, the European race will emerge as the distinct species homo sapiens, and all the transitional forms — the gorilla, the chimpanzee, the Negro, and the Australian Aborigine — will be extinguished in the struggle."

    https://www.catholiceducation.org/en...es-darwin.html

    And from the author I was reading. https://richardesimmons3.com/why-do-...ue-human-life/
  • Jun 24, 2020, 05:29 PM
    Athos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Here it is in context. "At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilized races of man will almost certainly exterminate and replace throughout the world the savage races. At the same time the anthropomorphous apes [that is, the ones which look most like the savages in structure] ... will no doubt be exterminated. The break will then be rendered wider, for it will intervene between man in a more civilized state, as we may hope ... the Caucasian, and some ape as low as a baboon, instead of as at present between the negro or Australian and the gorilla."

    Whatever antagonism Darwin had against slavery — which was indeed considerable, given his dissenter upbringing — these too are his words. Whatever grandiose statements he made on behalf of the beauty of moral sympathy, these too are his words. And these words could not be more clear. "According to the laws of natural selection, the European race will emerge as the distinct species homo sapiens, and all the transitional forms — the gorilla, the chimpanzee, the Negro, and the Australian Aborigine — will be extinguished in the struggle."

    Repeating the quote doesn't absolve you from your race beliefs - just gives you another chance to promote your evil. The tactic is transparent, easy to see.
  • Jun 24, 2020, 06:35 PM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    Repeating the quote doesn't absolve you from your race beliefs - just gives you another chance to promote your evil. The tactic is transparent, easy to see.
    It finally occurred to me that you think I'm Charles Darwin! Oh my. You're much worse off than I thought. Try and get some sleep. Maybe it'll help.
  • Jun 24, 2020, 06:46 PM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    It finally occurred to me that you think I'm Charles Darwin! Oh my. You're much worse off than I thought. Try and get some sleep. Maybe it'll help.

    Just repeating the tenets of Darwinism is enough to place you in his camp. Darwinism spawned nazism and that sought of thinking still exists despite evidence to the contrary
  • Jun 24, 2020, 07:13 PM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    Just repeating the tenets of Darwinism is enough to place you in his camp.
    If you try to discuss someone's thoughts, then you agree with them? That's the stupidest thing I've heard in a long time.
  • Jun 24, 2020, 07:15 PM
    Athos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    It finally occurred to me that you think I'm Charles Darwin!

    No, we know exactly who and what you are.

    As 'clete said, "Just repeating the tenets of Darwinism is enough to place you in his camp. Darwinism spawned nazism and that sought of thinking still exists despite evidence to the contrary".


  • Jun 24, 2020, 08:07 PM
    jlisenbe
    And as I replied to Clete, to try and say that quoting a person is tantamount to agreeing with them is just completely stupid. For example, you quoted me saying, "It finally occurred to me that you think I'm Charles Darwin." Well according to your weird proposition, you have just agreed with me and thus you actually do believe I'm Darwin. So I suppose I should thank you for verifying what I had said!! It was very nice of you. Now I know that was not your intent, but it is the inevitable consequence of your own idea.

    You need to figure out that I'm under no obligation to accept your wild theories or your blind opinions of "who and what" I am. I don't think you even believe them. You're just so eaten up with hate that you feel compelled to lash out. There is a solution for that.
  • Jun 24, 2020, 09:07 PM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    ! It was very nice of you.
    .

    Yes I'm actually a nice bloke and good of you to recognise it. But right now I'm recovering for cataract surgery and so my thoughts maybe a little drug affected. When you take on someoneelse's thoughts to further your argument, either way, you are aligning yourself with them. I didn't see you denying Darwinism as valid
  • Jun 24, 2020, 11:53 PM
    Athos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    And as I replied to Clete, to try and say that quoting a person is tantamount to agreeing with them is just completely stupid. For example, you quoted me saying, "It finally occurred to me that you think I'm Charles Darwin." Well according to your weird proposition, you have just agreed with me and thus you actually do believe I'm Darwin. So I suppose I should thank you for verifying what I had said!! It was very nice of you. Now I know that was not your intent, but it is the inevitable consequence of your own idea.

    I have no idea what all that is supposed to mean. You'd be better off ignoring posts that you can't reply to coherently.

    Quote:

    You're just so eaten up with hate that you feel compelled to lash out.
    Your "hate" schtick is so common that just about everybody here has been charged by you with hating something. It's time for you to come up with something new to avoid being a one-trick pony.
  • Jun 25, 2020, 04:10 AM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    When you take on someoneelse's thoughts to further your argument, either way, you are aligning yourself with them. I didn't see you denying Darwinism as valid
    I quoted Darwin, noted that his views were racist, and wondered why people were not trying to tear his statues down and take his teachings out of textbooks. I don't know how much clearer it could have been, and I have no idea what argument of mine you think I was trying to "further". But I've been in that "surgical cloud" before, so I do get that.

    Quote:

    I have no idea what all that is supposed to mean.
    And thus we see the problem. Try reading it slowly and very carefully.

    Quote:

    Your "hate" schtick is so common that just about everybody here has been charged by you with hating something. It's time for you to come up with something new to avoid being a one-trick pony.
    You're copying again. Surprise us one of these days and have an original idea. But I'm relieved to see that you quoted me, so you obviously believe everything I am saying since, according to you, that's how it works in your world.
  • Jun 25, 2020, 06:02 AM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    I quoted Darwin, noted that his views were racist, and wondered why people were not trying to tear his statues down and take his teachings out of textbooks. I don't know how much clearer it could have been, and I have no idea what argument of mine you think I was trying to "further". But I've been in that "surgical cloud" before, so I do get that.

    You didn't need to quote him to ask the question, we were obviously well versed in his theories
  • Jun 25, 2020, 06:20 AM
    talaniman
    Must be a lot of racists stuff out there if we haven't gotten around to all of them yet.
  • Jun 25, 2020, 12:16 PM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    You didn't need to quote him to ask the question, we were obviously well versed in his theories
    Sure you were.
  • Jun 25, 2020, 01:34 PM
    Athos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    You're copying again. Surprise us one of these days and have an original idea. But I'm relieved to see that you quoted me, so you obviously believe everything I am saying since, according to you, that's how it works in your world.


    More confusion from you. Now you're replying to the wrong people.
  • Jun 25, 2020, 02:04 PM
    jlisenbe
    Well, you quoted me again, so in your crazy world you are agreeing with me that you have no original ideas. After all, that's how you say it works.
  • Jun 25, 2020, 02:24 PM
    Athos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Well, you quoted me again, so in your crazy world you are agreeing with me that you have no original ideas. After all, that's how you say it works.

    Do you really think your silly ad hominem posts are believed by anyone on this website? Even if they could decipher them?
  • Jun 25, 2020, 03:03 PM
    jlisenbe
    You're the one who came up with the loony idea that if you quote someone, it means you agree with them. If you don't like it, then change your ways. It's your loony idea that I'm illustrating. And look up the definition of ad hominem so you can use it correctly next time.
  • Jun 25, 2020, 03:24 PM
    Athos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    You're the one who came up with the loony idea that if you quote someone, it means you agree with them.

    Go back and read the context - try to comprehend.

    Quote:

    And look up the definition of ad hominem so you can use it correctly next time.
    LOL. You never even heard of the word until I first mentioned it months ago describing your method of using insults in lieu of logical arguments. Thanks for the laugh.
  • Jun 25, 2020, 03:35 PM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    LOL. You never even heard of the word until I first mentioned it months ago describing your method of using insults in lieu of logical arguments. Thanks for the laugh.
    In other words, you misused the word. You find that instance of "months ago" since, once again, you are lying.
  • Jun 25, 2020, 03:40 PM
    Athos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    once again, you are lying.

    Ah, true to form. Grazie.
  • Jun 25, 2020, 03:41 PM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    Ah, true to form.
    You sure are.
  • Jun 25, 2020, 03:42 PM
    Athos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    You sure are.

    That's it? Running out of steam?

  • All times are GMT -7. The time now is 11:10 AM.