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  • May 15, 2020, 05:12 AM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    You mean did it, since he's been gone 3 years now.
    I laughed when I read that. "Your Honor, I'm guilty, but I did all of that three years ago, so you need to just turn me loose now." Well of course that makes sense...to someone...somewhere.
  • May 15, 2020, 05:24 AM
    jlisenbe
    A little humor to start the day. Even the humor-impaired on this board will appreciate it...I think. https://scontent.fmem1-2.fna.fbcdn.n...b8&oe=5EE3D3D7
  • May 15, 2020, 05:36 AM
    talaniman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    I laughed when I read that. "Your Honor, I'm guilty, but I did all of that three years ago, so you need to just turn me loose now." Well of course that makes sense...to someone...somewhere.

    Then we have the matter of did what? Does that make sense?

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    A little humor to start the day. Even the humor-impaired on this board will appreciate it...I think. https://scontent.fmem1-2.fna.fbcdn.n...b8&oe=5EE3D3D7

    Be really funny if it weren't so true. So would these,

    https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/...=f&x=849&y=354

    https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/...60&u=t&o=f&l=f

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    https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/...60&u=t&o=f&l=f
  • May 15, 2020, 06:08 AM
    talaniman
    Ran out of room, but there is more

    https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/...60&u=t&o=f&l=f

    https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/...60&u=t&o=f&l=f

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    https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/...60&u=t&o=f&l=f
  • May 15, 2020, 09:34 AM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    he's got nothing for the bug
    large scale vaccine testing by July

    when you find any science in Fauci's responses let me know
  • May 15, 2020, 12:50 PM
    talaniman
    When you find any science in the dufus about anything please let me know. Matter of fact muzzle the dufus and let Fauci do his job. I think you just want your economy back.
  • May 15, 2020, 01:34 PM
    tomder55
    Fauci backed and helped fund the Wuhan Wmd lab.

    https://nypost.com/2020/04/29/dr-fau...6WNkuaGpHySXMw

    On January 21st he said “Americans Don't Need To Worry About Coronavirus:

    https://710wor.iheart.com/featured/m...t-coronavirus/

    Fauci said on February 8th: 'Danger of getting coronavirus now is just minusculely low':

    https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/4790996..._Nk7bvxUflZMsw

    Fauci on February 29th tells the Today Show that there is NO NEED for the public to change their behavior over concern for Coronavirus:

    https://www.today.com/video/dr-fauci...et-79684677616

    March 9th, Fauci recommends taking a cruise, tells Forbes Magazine that if you’re healthy, cruise ships are safe:

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/douggol...e-healthy/amp/

    The guy is a bloviator . I trust Dr Birx . She backs everything she says with science . Fauci not so much .He is a publicity whore .

    Back to the subject of the OP


    https://sidneypowell.com/wp-content/...-NEW-FINAL.pdf
  • May 15, 2020, 03:02 PM
    talaniman
    The dufus is hardly the only one to drop the corona ball here, but Fauci seems to be up to speed now and no doubt has more credibility than his boss on the issue.

    https://youtu.be/ibCuZkan4JM

    Jury's out on the Flynn outcome though. Between Barr and Powell, he does have better lawyers.
  • May 15, 2020, 03:26 PM
    tomder55
    We already know the ultimate outcome . WE don't have 'Alice in Wonderland ' Justice . No judge can be both judge and prosecutor in our system ;and a judge has no authority to appoint a prosecutor . Provisions can be made to provide in some cases for a defense because the Constitution says so . This judge also has a conflict of interest . He has called Flynn a traitor . ABA rule 2:11 makes it clear that
    A) A judge shall disqualify himself or herself in any proceeding in which the judge’s impartiality* might reasonably be questioned, including but not limited to the following circumstances

    (1) The judge has a personal bias or prejudice concerning a party or a party’s lawyer, or personal knowledge* of facts that are in dispute in the proceeding.

    (5) The judge, while a judge or a judicial candidate,* has made a public statement, other than in a court proceeding, judicial decision, or opinion, that commits or appears to commit the judge to reach a particular result or rule in a particular way in the proceeding or controversy.

  • May 15, 2020, 04:54 PM
    talaniman
    I know the rules and the discretionary limits of judges and attorneys and it all depends on going through the process Tom. This ain't L & O where it's wrapped up in an hour episode. This could well drag out for weeks or months.
  • May 15, 2020, 05:03 PM
    tomder55
    of course it could drag on for weeks . That is the goal ;not justice . I cant believe after all that was revealed this week from Obots under oath that you still cling to the Russian collusion hoax .
  • May 15, 2020, 05:16 PM
    talaniman
    I don't trust the dufus and his sycophants, nor right wing spin and talking points. I never believe anyone claiming victory until the game is over. Pretty simple formula 'eh "CHAMP!"
  • May 15, 2020, 05:50 PM
    Athos
    Quote:

    Here's the truth re what Powell is doing.

    https://www.emptywheel.net/2020/05/1...sions-not-one/
  • May 16, 2020, 07:41 AM
    talaniman
    Now that Athos was truly informative. Safe to say this judge isn't going to just follow whatever Barr and his sycophants put down without a comprehensive vetting of the facts.
  • May 16, 2020, 10:28 AM
    tomder55
    Executive primacy and Sullivan’s attempt to supplant the executive power of prosecution with his own judicial authority is the only issue at stake . I already informed you that last week SCOTUS 9-0 struck down judges
    decisions to solicit outside Amicus briefs. Ginsburg wrote the unanimous decision against the 9th Circus Court .

    A similar case ,U.S. v. Fokker Services
    , Judge Richard Leon refused to accept a deferred prosecution agreement between the emperor's Justice Department and a Dutch aerospace services company. He thought it was too lenient. The DC Circus court smacked him down In their opinion "decisions to dismiss pending criminal charges
    no less than... to bringlie squarely within the ken of prosecutorial discretion
    ."
    That opinion was authored by
    Sri Srinivasan ;appointed by the emperor . In his decision he quoted
    quoted a 1967 precedent,
    Newman v. U.S.
    : “[f]ew subjects are less adapted to judicial review than the exercise by the Executive of his discretion in deciding when and whether to institute criminal proceedings, or what precise charge shall be made, or whether to dismiss a proceeding once brought.”

    The Executive’s primacy in criminal charging decisions is long settled. Judge Sullivan can be compelled with a writ of
    mandamus or he can be removed under the same provision. That would go to the DC Circus where Srinivasan's precendent is already established .
  • May 16, 2020, 02:28 PM
    jlisenbe
    It's over. They just don't realize it yet.
  • May 17, 2020, 04:30 AM
    talaniman
    The process continues.
  • May 17, 2020, 04:36 AM
    tomder55
    there is no legitimate judicial process being exercised by Sullivan ....only partisan delays.
  • May 17, 2020, 05:07 AM
    talaniman
    This isn't the first time Sullivan has stepped beyond the "norm" to get data before him.

    https://heavy.com/news/2018/12/emmet-sullivan-judge-g/

    You can't be suggesting any judge doesn't have a duty to examine any filings/issues before him with due diligence are you Tom, and he must accede to such request just because they make it are you?
  • May 17, 2020, 09:24 AM
    tomder55
    Yes he handled the Stevens case . Saw there was abuse by the prosecution and dismissed the case . The exact same circumstances exist in the Flynn case . The FBI withheld exculpatory evidence ;doctored and fabricated 302 filings to the FISA court . The originals have never been found . The FBI decided to set up a perjury trap even after the recommendation was to discontinue the Flynn investigation . The article you cite even admits that the FBI discouraged Flynn from having council present . Flynn had no idea he was being investigated . Why would he think so ? As incoming National Security Advisor it would be perfectly normal for him to have a call in to the Russian Ambassador .
  • May 17, 2020, 10:52 AM
    talaniman
    So his guilty plea allocutions were lies? Read the statements for yourself. Yes we can use the precedent of the Stevens case, but Stevens NEVER pleaded guilty, let alone twice. You can ignore the crony component, and trust Barr's version of events as per his filings, but I prefer they can stand scrutiny of the law myself so let the process proceed.
  • May 17, 2020, 12:36 PM
    tomder55
    I am well aware of his confession and the circumstances behind it's coersion . Again ,cause to dismiss with prejudice .Barr
    contends that any false statements by Flynn could not have been material because there was no legitimate basis to investigate or interview him. I go even further . Flynn confessed because they hung the specter of going after his son if he didn't . But I'll go with Barr's rationale . There was absolutely no material reason to pursue a criminal investigation of Flynn after the counter-intelligence investigation was to be dropped . The interview with Flynn was entrapment pure and simple . We have emails by the leading investigator saying as much .
    If the Flynn interview was not connected to a properly based investigation(and there is no denial that it wasn't) , any alleged false statements he made could not have been material. Both Flynn and the investigatorsknew the Kislyak discussions were recorded. Flynn stressed that the agents could listen to the conversation if they wanted to know what was discussed. Any misstatements during the interview could not have affected the FBI’s understanding.
    Further the agent who interviewed him said he thought Flynn was being truthful . What you call a process is a politically driven stall tactic .
  • May 17, 2020, 01:13 PM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    Flynn confessed because they hung the specter of going after his son if he didn't . But I'll go with Barr's rationale . There was absolutely no material reason to pursue a criminal investigation of Flynn after the counter-intelligence investigation was to be dropped .
    Which raises the interesting question of why was he interviewed to begin with?
  • May 17, 2020, 02:34 PM
    talaniman
    I think Barr is the one stalling for time here as he had to know Sullivan wasn't just going to roll over for them.
  • May 17, 2020, 03:39 PM
    tomder55
    nope . Barr couldn't act until the documents were unsealed April 29 .
    The unsealed documents were discovered as part of a Justice Department review of the Flynn case ordered by Barr.
    After he saw the docs he acted swiftly .
  • May 17, 2020, 03:50 PM
    Athos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    I think Barr is the one stalling for time here

    Agreed!

    Barr is such an obvious shill for Trump from his letter begging to be appointed as Attorney General promising to do whatever Trump wanted, to his bizarre claim that Trump is above the law.

    Pompeo is just slightly less nefarious. The list goes on.......

    The ball is in Sullivan's court. Powell is a screwball. She will say anything to win - ethics be damned.
  • May 17, 2020, 05:04 PM
    talaniman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    nope . Barr couldn't act until the documents were unsealed April 29 .
    The unsealed documents were discovered as part of a Justice Department review of the Flynn case ordered by Barr.
    After he saw the docs he acted swiftly .

    There was nothing new in the filing for dismissal that wasn't already known by Barr. He had both the unredacted Mueller Report, and was the line prosecutors boss. Appointing a special review was a sham to cover his move to aid Flynn. Powell's job was to stall until the ducks were lined up, seeing as all Flynn's previous motions had been denied.

    Sullivan has to judge if the grounds Barr dismissed this case on are legit. I suspect he will do a thorough job of it before he rules. That would be fair.
  • May 17, 2020, 05:44 PM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    ethics be damned.
    The motto of Obama's DOJ efforts against Flynn.
  • May 18, 2020, 06:46 AM
    tomder55
    I stand by what I wrote . Barr could not act until the docs were released . He always had suspicions that Flynn was hosed . But he could NOT make a case to the Judge for dismissal until the documents were available for the judge and the public to see.
  • May 18, 2020, 07:45 AM
    talaniman
    I get why he goes for a dismissal, just to poke Mueller in the eye and set up the rest of the cronies for executive interventions. SCOTUS should be ruling on subpoenas against the dufus and his bankers soon too, as the dufus fires another IG looking into his administration.
  • May 18, 2020, 10:25 AM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    as the dufus fires another IG looking into his administration.
    I wonder how often the emperor used a government hired aid to walk his dog or buy Michelle a valentines gift ?
    Steve Linick was an Obot holdover who worked actively to undermine the Trump administration . During the fraudulent impeachment kabuki dance ,Linick requested an 'urgent ' meeting with Congessional staffers where he handed over executive dept documents related to the Trump Ukraine policies .For that action he should've been dismissed . What I find amazing is that Trump was someone who made a trademark from the phrase 'You're Fired ! ' ;but he has been surprisingly reluctant to purge his executive dept of the snake in the grass swamp critters from the emperor's reign He has been more patient with them then I would've .......or the emperor was for that matter. The emperor's first act was to fire all Bush political appointees .
  • May 18, 2020, 10:48 AM
    talaniman
    ​You know how this works by now Tom. Deny, obstruct, and make the dufus a one term president.
  • May 18, 2020, 11:32 AM
    Athos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    During the fraudulent impeachment

    The only thing fraudulent about the impeachment was the Republican senate putting party ahead of nation.


    Quote:

    What I find amazing is that Trump was someone who made a trademark from the phrase 'You're Fired ! ' ;but he has been surprisingly reluctant to purge his executive dept
    What you don't understand about Trump is that he is a coward and has others do his dirty work for him. The TV show was all play acting for Trump, something he does very well like any con man.
  • May 18, 2020, 12:22 PM
    talaniman
    Anybody figure out how you drain the swamp by adding bigger critters?

    BREAKING NEWS

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/pol...tment-n1209521

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/pol...affer-n1208981

    In a statement Monday, Engel said that he has learned there might have been another reason for Linick's firing.

    "His office was investigating — at my request — Trump’s phony declaration of an emergency so he could send weapons to Saudi Arabia," Engel said. "We don’t have the full picture yet, but it’s troubling that Secretary Pompeo wanted Mr. Linick pushed out before this work could be completed. The administration should comply with the probe I launched with Senator Menendez and turn over all the records requested from the Department by Friday."
  • May 18, 2020, 12:56 PM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    the Republican senate putting party ahead of nation.
    Well, that and the fact that there was no real evidence of guilt. Same thing with Kavanaugh. And when the dems hold hearings on Biden and his sexual assault allegation, and I'm sure they will since they firmly hold to the idea that a woman MUST be heard, then they will hopefully follow the evidence in that case as well.
  • May 18, 2020, 01:11 PM
    tomder55
    What is so hard to understand ? Trump used provisions of the '
    Arms Export Control Act ' to make the sale . When Congress passed a resolution to block the sale ,Trump vetoed the act . The Senate could not muster the 2/3 vote to override the veto .

    Nothing was done untoward . The provision in the act had been used 4 times previously so the only thing that caused for an investigation was the hatred of the President .

    Otherwise ,that is how Washington operates .The Constitution gives him the power to veto ;and Congress the power to override a veto with 2/3 vote . The thing is that with Trump ,the opposition does not believe in the Constitution. In their view everything is nefarious requiring investigation and a rat in an inspector general's office to invent conspiracies .

    You see ;when the emperor sold arms to the Saudis it was no biggie .

    https://www.defenseone.com/business/...-bushs/133014/

  • May 18, 2020, 03:17 PM
    talaniman
    The congress couldn't over ride the veto that means it can get no oversite? Vlad would approve of that.

    You're probably right though as more than half the country probably hates the dufus. Can you blame them?
  • May 18, 2020, 04:22 PM
    tomder55
    Elliot Engel used to be my Rep . the only thing I can say about him is that he is a friend of Israel and a much better Rep than the useless one I have now . Nita Lowey . The good news is that she is retiring and her seat is open. There is a conga line of candidates for the June Dem primary . The bad news is that the Republican candidate has no chance in hell of getting elected . There are 2 no names running to be the sacrificial lamb.

    Engel is a partisan hack who will do whatever Madam Mim tells him to do . His only streak of independence is his defense of Israel against the Democrat Israeli haters . His hearings ;and most hearings on Capitol Hill are in lieu of doing the job they are elected to do . If Congress doesn't like the Arms Export Control Act . It is sections 36(b)(l), 36(c)(2), 36(d)(2), and 3(d)(2) of the act . It provides for the sale under emergency situations as the President sees them . The sale came during Iranian backed attacks against the Saudi's oil infrastructure . Pompeo wrote to Congress that: "Iranian malign activity poses a fundamental threat to the stability of the Middle East and to American security at home and abroad…. The rapidly-evolving security situation in the region requires an accelerated delivery of certain capabilities to U.S. partners in the region…. Such transfers, whether provided via the Foreign Military Sales system, or through the licensing of Direct Commercial Sales, must occur as quickly as possible in order to deter further Iranian adventurism in the Gulf and throughout the Middle East. "

    Engel may not like it . But that is the fact . The President acted lawfully ……. AND , the President has the authority to fire anyone in the executive branch he chooses . They all work at his pleasure . So if the Dems don't like that he fired Linick ….well bullah bullah cry a river .
  • May 18, 2020, 08:23 PM
    talaniman
    Congress has a duty to oversight!
  • May 19, 2020, 04:56 AM
    jlisenbe
    Nancy Pelosi refers to the pres as "morbidly obese", and so is now guilty of fat-shaming. I wonder if she is going to refer to Stacey Abrams and Hillary Clinton as "morbidly obese" today? Anyone want to take a guess?

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