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good one Tal
Tal, since you are opposed to the private ownership of businesses, meaning that anyone who wants to can start, own, and operate a private business, then what economic system do you prefer?
I am not opposed to private business ownership at all. Just the institutional inequity of them as a business model. Screw that trickle down crap you seem to favor.
If you are opposed to capitalism, then you are opposed to private business ownership since that is the definition of capitalism. "Just the institutional inequity of them as a business model??" What do you mean by "them"? Them what?Quote:
I am not opposed to private business ownership at all. Just the institutional inequity of them as a business model. Screw that trickle down crap you seem to favor.
Your assumption is incorrect and read:Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
"Just the institutional inequity of PRIVATE BUSINESSES as a business model??"
That inequity go back to merchants paying the help.
If you can mandate what a business owner must pay labor, then can you also mandate what the laborer must accept?
As long as a laborer is free to make him/her self and skills more valuable (training, responsibility and education) and thus able to go to another higher paying job, then doesn't that really give the advantage to any laborer wiling to do so?
My assumption was no assumption. If you favor the private ownership of business then you are a capitalist. It's true by definition.
NO! There are laws that govern pay on the federal and state levels but I know of no laws that mandate what a worker MUST accept. Indeed effectively there is no mandate for what a boss has to pay.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Even entry level jobs have hiring requirements as do the next level jobs. That's why they generally come with a defined probation period to verify that requirement.Quote:
As long as a laborer is free to make him/her self and skills more valuable (training, responsibility and education) and thus able to go to another higher paying job, then doesn't that really give the advantage to any laborer wiling to do so?
And what choices does an honest man willing to work an honest job for an honest days pay have by your definition? You really think he gives a rats patoot if the boss is a capitalists? The label is an artificial one like people cannot define themselves. I work for my own reasons not your definitions. Always have, always will.Quote:
My assumption was no assumption. If you favor the private ownership of business then you are a capitalist. It's true by definition.
I understand that, but are you suggesting that the government should be able to do that, to mandate what a business owner must pay his/her employees?Quote:
NO! There are laws that govern pay on the federal and state levels but I know of no laws that mandate what a worker MUST accept. Indeed effectively there is no mandate for what a boss has to pay.
I understand. You have your own definitions (daffynitions?) so that, even though you agree that businesses should be privately owned, which is the definition of capitalism everywhere on the earth, you can opt out of wearing that label. Trump and you have a LOTTTT in common.Quote:
And what choices does an honest man willing to work an honest job for an honest days pay have by your definition? You really think he gives a rats patoot if the boss is a capitalists? The label is an artificial one like people cannot define themselves. I work for my own reasons not your definitions. Always have, always will.
1. I think guidelines and perameters is best practice, and a living wage standard as opposed to minimum wages for adults, but states have a lot of powers too, to set wages.
2. UGH! That hurt...BAD! Capitalists is a somewhat recent label, as evolved from merchants, job creators and others. Labels are pretty convenient to separate ones self from other systems of governance and economic intent mostly to claim whose is better, or worse.
Why can't I be a free thinking free agent?
What do you mean by "guidelines and parameters"? Laws? What people MUST do, or what the government suggests they do?Quote:
think guidelines and perameters is best practice, and a living wage standard as opposed to minimum wages for adults, but states have a lot of powers too, to set wages.
Gotta have laws as a guardrail to acceptable behavior, or we would be lawless, and you couldn't tell the good guys from the bad, or make people accoutable for unacceptable behavior could you?
So you want the fed government to establish some minimal salary, a living wage, that employers must pay employees?
Good point, tal. Unbridled capitalism (aka crony capitalism) is ultimately destructive to a society. Proper capitalism is well-regulated and in the US, it includes aspects of socialism resulting in a capitalist society modified by socialism.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Even some Republicans during Reagan's time saw trickle down as "voodoo economics".
Russia is an interesting experiment in capitalism. Putin lets business do what it will as long as the government (Putin) gets a healthy cut. This State Capitalism has begun to curtail individual freedoms although living standards are higher than in the old USSR. Their oil-based economy is weak as seen by the price collapse. Time will tell.
The biggest threat to capitalism is when powerful interests (big biz, big unions, big organizations such as ecologists, etc.) begin to influence government to give them special favors. Crony capitalism is not "unbridled". It's the government passing out favors to those with money, thus placing the bridal on a government bought off with cash. Improper government influence can be seen with the fact that Walmart is allowed to be opened while mom and pop operations are closed, the government not giving a contract to a deserving company because it did not meet racial or union requirements, or the government giving a contract to a company because it is minority owned despite being completely undeserving of the contract and at the cost of a deserving company being passed over.
WG, who is slowly but surely regaining her position as Committed Grammarian, caught me! I used the wrong "bridal" in my second line. It should have, of course, been "bridle". I most humbly accept my rebuke and pleede for mursey. 8D
Pleese ficks it. Im starting to screem!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
I'd rather not. I don't want to let myself off the huk.
Unbridled capitalism is any form of capitalism that has run amok - including the crony variety.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Dear God! Will he ever stop with the nitpicking?
Oh don't wet your pants for goodness sake. If you don't mean it, then don't say it. But I forgot. With you it's always the other guys fault. "He took my statement seriously! How dare he!"Quote:
Unbridled capitalism is any form of capitalism that has run amok - including the crony variety.
Dear God! Will he ever stop with the nitpicking?
Evidently the best the dems have.
https://scontent.fmem1-2.fna.fbcdn.n...2d&oe=5EDA1A88
We know what the repubs are missing, thus the guns.
If I only had a...rain...crane...drain...frame...blame...oh well. Poor ole Joe. Trump is not great by any means, but next to Biden, he'll look like a genius.
so be ruled by a mad genius or a forgetfull geriatric, what a choice
Let me know when it starts for Trump. I wanna see it for myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
I think you will be waiting quite a while.
You are the one wetting his pants which you have been doing ever since you arrived here.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Imitation...sincerest form of flattery.
More Dufus stuff.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartanntp
I know, as more people file for unemployment and states can't process the new claims the dufus with holds information to safely open the economy, while publicly saying more people will die and get sick but the economy must open.
No quotes here, but I'm sure you have heard him say it because it's all over the TV.
You do realize that most of the economy is and has been open, and most people are still working? I'd love to see your reaction if we really shut down the economy to the point of no gas sales, no electrical service, no police or fire units at work, or no groceries being sold. Are you willing to do away with all of that?
Why should we engage in your hypotheticals when we have reality before us. As you point out most of the economy is open, and as I point out the science to deal with it is there, so my question is why it's not circulated, and implemented? Also we have thrown trillion at it, yet the people are slow to get it...WHY? I can trace most of the issues and a few more to mismanagement and lack of effective execution, but what are your thoughts?
What science are you referring to?
This could get you started.
https://www.documentcloud.org/docume...ess-Plans.html
Questions? I have a lot. Like why isn't this a part of those calls to governors we hear so much about?
You haven't heard anyone talking about facemasks, hand washing, and keeping surfaces clean? That kind of sums up what was in the 17 page, small type document you googled and found about 30 minutes ago.
I'm asking what steps you know of that should be implemented but are not being talked about other than just shutting everything down and all of us starving to death.
You forgot the testing for the virus.
There's no testing being done in Texas??? Wow. We are testing. Probably could be expanded, but as of a month ago, the number was over a million nationwide.
So again, what are you suggesting we do that is not already being done?
A million tests between 50 states in how many months? That's abysmal in my book, how about yours? As for Texas, having as high as a hospital capacity as anywhere and lower rates of death and infections as most places, the bet is we can reopen slowly. Not sure I agree with that, but boggles my mind that the same tests hospitals use cannot be replicated on a mass scale everywhere. Don't you think mass testing is as important as PPE and all those other mitigation strategies are?
It was a million a month ago. It is far past that by now, but I would agree that testing is a key.
Doesn't seem to be much of a priority though even recognizing all that goes into such a massive undertaking. I think knowing who has what goes a long way in determining effective and targeted responses and countermeasures. I shouldn't be so surprised though considering how hard it is getting toilet paper, or watching food being wasted.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Neither makes a bit of sense to me.
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