Really? "Possession for Personal Use Over 28.5 Gram. Possession of more than 28.5 grams of marijuana is a misdemeanor punishable by up to 6 months imprisonment. A fine up to $500 may be imposed as well. In cases when the possessed amount is 28.5 grams or even less, but the person is under the age of 21 possessing marijuana on school grounds, the offense is a misdemeanor punishable by up to 10 days imprisonment and fine up to $500."

Sure doesn't seem like it.

https://margarianlaw.com/penalties-p...-of-marijuana/

Those laws are specific to California and MJ and hashish. Try other states where it ISN't legal and try the harder drugs. There are no licenses for the sale and distribution of Heroin, Cocaine, or Meth, anywhere in America.

Yeah those nuances again.

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Those laws are specific to California and MJ and hashish. try other states where it ISN't legal and try the harder drugs

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You specified dope, so I went with dope. Now you want to change the "nuances" in an attempt to bail yourself out of trouble.

This is Mississippi. As you can see, it's hardly the equivalent of murder as you claimed it was. There's really nothing wrong in simply saying you were wrong, you worded it carelessly, or whatever. I would hope you don't really believe something that crazy anyway. I know you have better sense. I'm done with any discussion of trying to say murder and possession of dope are treated the same in courts. It's a ridiculous proposition.

30 g or less (first offense)	N/A	N/A	$ 250
30 g or less (second offense)	Misdemeanor	5* - 60 days	$ 250
30 g or less (third offense)	Misdemeanor	5 days* - 6 months	$ 1,000
30 - 250 g	Felony	1 - 3 years	$ 1,000

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Originally Posted by talaniman

Those laws are specific to California and MJ and hashish. try other states where it ISN't legal and try the harder drugs. There are no licenses for the sale and distribution of Heroin, Cocaine, or Meth, antwhere in America.

Yeah those nuances again.

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I'm with you, tal. Now and then, our Chicago newspapers report on a long-time prisoner being released after finally being cleared of a drug charge or even murder.

"Jail or prison time is also possible when a person is convicted of possession of a controlled substance. Jail sentences range widely depending on the crime charged, the type of drugs involved, and the state's laws, but can range from a few days or weeks to 10 years or more in prison."
https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.co...-Substance.htm

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"Jail or prison time is also possible when a person is convicted of possession of a controlled substance. Jail sentences range widely depending on the crime charged, the type of drugs involved, and the state's laws, but can range from a few days or weeks to 10 years or more in prison."

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Yeah. I'm sure that jail sentences for murder range from, "a few days or weeks to 10 years or more." "What are you in for?" "Oh, they got me for murder and sent me up for two weeks because after all, like Tal said, we treat dope and murder just alike here in Chicago."

That's what you are agreeing with just in case you haven't followed this exchange.

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Yeah. I'm sure that jail sentences for murder range from, "a few days or weeks to 10 years or more." "What are you in for?" "Oh, they got me for murder and sent me up for two weeks because after all, like Tal said, we treat dope and murder just alike here in Chicago."

That's what you are agreeing with just in case you haven't followed this exchange.

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No, the reverse: Dope offenses are too often treated like murder.

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You specified dope, so I went with dope. Now you want to change the "nuances" in an attempt to bail yourself out of trouble.

This is Mississippi. As you can see, it's hardly the equivalent of murder as you claimed it was. There's really nothing wrong in simply saying you were wrong, you worded it carelessly, or whatever. I would hope you don't really believe something that crazy anyway. I know you have better sense. I'm done with any discussion of trying to say murder and possession of dope are treated the same in courts. It's a ridiculous proposition.

30 g or less (first offense)	N/A	N/A	$ 250
30 g or less (second offense)	Misdemeanor	5* - 60 days	$ 250
30 g or less (third offense)	Misdemeanor	5 days* - 6 months	$ 1,000
30 - 250 g	Felony	1 - 3 years	$ 1,000

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Those nuances escape you again don't they. I tried to tell you to

try the harder drugs. There are no licenses for the sale and distribution of Heroin, Cocaine, or Meth, anywhere in America.

You keep picking the dope you know, like these drugs don't exist. How convenient or did you just miss it? Regardless you flunked your fact check homework open book assignment.

Possession of Cocaine, Heroin, Methamphetamines

These drugs are considered highly addictive and dangerous. It’s this that warrants their classification as Schedule I and Schedule II substances, according to Mississippi drug possession laws. The penalty you face for possessing these drugs is dependent on how much of the drug is found in your possesion.

Possession of a Schedule I or II drug is always classified as a felony.

Amount	Potential Penalty
Less than .1 gram	4 years in prison and fines reaching $10,000
.1 gram to less than 2 grams	2-8 years in prison and $50,000 in fines
2 grams to 10 grams	4-16 years in prison and $250,000 in fines
10 to 30 grams	6-24 years in prison and $500,000 in fines

Despite the bleak look of things, not all drug possession charges result in a prison sentence. Through plea bargaining or a successful defense at trial, you may be able to avoid the harshest of these penalties.

Possession of a Schedule I or II drug is always classified as a felony.

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No, the reverse: Dope offenses are too often treated like murder.

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Yeah. Sure they are. I'm sure you have all kinds of people in for life because they smoked a joint.

Tal, your original statement was that murder and dope offenses were treated the same. It is as crazy now as it was then, and your attempt at changing the subject is so obvious it's just even more crazy.

If you are wanting to change the subject and talk about prison offenses given for possession of hard drugs, then we can talk about that, but stop acting like we're so stupid we can't spot your end run from a hundred miles away. You started with dope and when it became obvious that you had made a dumb statement you are trying to change the subject. Come on. Try a little honesty.

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You live in a country where dope and murder is the same punishment,

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What are you missing here?

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What are you missing here?

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The fact that the two punishments are not only not the same, but not even CLOSE to being the same?

You do realize that "dope" is generally thought of as marijuana and that it's not a generic term for all drugs? At least that's the case in our area here. Maybe that's the source of our disagreement.

Otherwise, it's the ole bait'n'switch in action.

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it's not a generic term for all drugs?

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"Dope" has several connotations, one being drugs. This would include, but not exclusively, marijuana. Talinman is correct.

Could be.

Those nuances will get you every time unless you start recognizing them. How can you be a part of a rehab and not know dope means all of them in every form? Seems this discussion is more about your limited exposure to the subjects than my bait and switch. The good news is you can change that by simply broadening your perspective.

I think it would benefit you greatly.

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How can you be a part of a rehab and not know dope means all of them in every form? Seems this discussion is more about your limited exposure to the subjects than my bait and switch. The good news is you can change that by simply broadening your perspective.

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As the only one here who actually does anything to help men in addiction, I can tell you that they often use "dope" to mean marijuana. It can mean more than that, but there is a reason there's a term out there which is "hard drugs". It distinguishes them from marijuana.

But even at that, your statement is still incorrect until you can show us where a person has been executed or sent to prison for life for possession of "dope" in whatever context you prefer. So yeah, those nuances have bitten you in the rear yet again.

Nice try to change the terms now it's executions. That's not what I posted. I proved you could get as much time for dope as murder in black and white and because you can't grasp it you change the parameters. I suppose the real differnce between us is big city vs rural communities. It just ain't the same experience. We both can be correct and no need for one of us to be wrong at all.

This is what you posted. "You live in a country where dope and murder is the same punishment." You said the punishments are the same, so if that is true, then people get executed and life in prison for "dope". You know that is not true, but your point is legit and I get it.

I am fine with having a discussion of jail penalties for drug possession. You might have a good point there. I've heard that discussed a lot. It seems not to be true that people are frequently put in prison for mere possession, but I'm not sure about that.

I cited the dope laws in Mississippi, from your link to illustrate the term dope encompasses a wide variety of drugs. From my own experiences even alcohol is a drug we refer to as liquid heroin though legal for many decades after prohibition, there are penalties for bad illegal behavior. Never heard of mj users being convicted of bad behavior, but possession use to be a jailable offense, but those laws are changing rapidly.

Personally I feel drug use is but a symptom of a greater problem in ones life that needs to be addressed. The drug of choice is almost irrelevant to the sufferer. Indeed it's a common thing I think, for any addict/alcoholic to use what's available at the time to feel better once that hank comes down.

I think we ought to hammer the drug sellers, and be less strict on those who use, but as long as the demand exists and the profit is large, then it's going to be a problem. Singapore has very few drug problems because the penalties are VERY steep including execution of those at the higher levels of sales of narcotics.

Another discussion to be had involves the deplorable conditions in our jails. I'm not speaking of the buildings themselves. I don't care about that. I'd pull out all the AC units and put the heater thermostat on 65 in the winter. Those guys aren't on vacation. No, I'm talking about the violence and drug use that goes on in so many of our prisons. They ought to be safe places.

1.LOL, so you advocate making the punishment for dope dealers EXACTLY the same as for murderers. Interesting.

2.Rather cruel approach to people in jail since most are there for non violent drug related offenses. Making bad conditions worse really helps the system, and ever wonder how dope gets in the prisons and jails in the first place? Go ahead start executing guards and families. I'm sure that will solve the problem, and make prisons safer places.

Wonder why people turn to that quick fix feel good in the first place, and become insane enough to take those penitentiary chances?

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1.LOL, so you advocate making the punishment for dope dealers EXACTLY the same as for murderers. Interesting.

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Don't you remember what you said? You said it already was the same.

Actually, I didn't advocate for anything. I just said what Singapore was doing. They have but very little trouble with drugs.

Executing families? Have you lost your mind???

How does one get dope in a prison?

My understanding is that guards look the other way in exchange for an envelope.

Pretty much how it works on the mean streets too, and everywhere else. The tools of the trade, MONEY.

Sadly true.

It's highly complex for sure with desperate people caught up with some down right dirty ones, and I haven't included the addicts in the mix yet. Addicts and alcoholics are INSANE by virtue of their actions. Matters little the level of functionality.