Recovery isn't the word I would use since I don't think we have seen it's peak at all. Has any other country? I have serious doubts.
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Recovery isn't the word I would use since I don't think we have seen it's peak at all. Has any other country? I have serious doubts.
well China seems to had seen the peak or they are not providing updates?
Italy is showing small improvements too, but whho knows for sure. The dufus has said he is considering opening America again in the next few weeks as the cure being worse than the sickness is unthinkable. meanwhile 5 congress people have been isolated and one with the virus as they hammer out a bail out agreement which has failed twice in the senate.
don't understand your system, I thought the repelicans held your Senate. Our parliament met for a day, passed the necessary laws, and will not meet again until August, Sometimes bipartisanship is necessary for the national goodQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
We have Nancy Pelosi. That's all the explanation needed.
I didn't know Pelosi is a Senator, don't you have separation of the Houses?Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
She's a State Representative, the Speaker of the House of Representatives.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
The legislative body is the House and Senate. The executive body is the president. The judicial body is the Supreme Court.
Executive-Legislative-Judicial.
The president can't get a bill on his desk to sign into law until it's passed through both the House (435 people who represent 750,000 citizens in a district of the state), and the Senate (Two for every state). Repubs control the Senate, and Dems control the House after the 2018 election.
Who said Pelosi is a senator?
You did you gave her credit for the bills delay in the senateQuote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Yes we have the same system but not a two party system of government, bipartisanship comes into play more oftenQuote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Your lack of familiarity with our system comes back to bite you. The Senate and the House will both have to approve this bill, so it is an ongoing measure in both bodies. Pelosi, as Speaker of the House, has great input. Anyone who knows our system would know that mentioning Pelosi certainly does not in any way ID her as a senator.Quote:
You did you gave her credit for the bills delay in the senate
The part that is, as usual, being completely ignored is the fact that these people are spending "virtual" money. It's money we don't have. So, since they are spending what we don't have and don't have to impose taxes to get, they just turn the faucets on wide-open and let 'er rip. It was 1 trillion on Saturday, but now it's grown to 2 trillion, so we've gone from 3 thousand dollars per American to six thousand. Oh well.
Unfair to expect Clete, or any other foreigner to know our system as well as we do. Heck most Americans have trouble getting it right half the time. I stopped worry about the debt and deficit after the original dufus cut taxes after Clinton balanced the budget, and repubs only hollered NOMOMONEY when a democrat was in office. At least you blast 'em all as being fiscally irresponsible, but hard not to use debt for this current health and fiscal crisis. Darn near impossible.
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[Trump]has said he is considering opening America again in the next few weeks as the cure being worse than the sickness is unthinkable.
and he is right . Could it be that we are doing this bass akwards ? The economic damage this is bringing is far worse than the disease .More people will become collateral damage due how we are approaching this . And what happens when the disease returns in a year . We are not properly developing herd immunity by hiding away in our homes . Maybe there will be vaccines and pharmaceutical remedies by then . But perhaps would've it been better to allow the young and healthy to become exposed ? I predict more people will be hurt by the economic damage this is causing than what the virus is doing
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/20/o...-4yoWZab_rr200
You're right about that, but a little humility by Clete would be nice. When you are not familiar with the system, then maybe you should't be so quick to throw stones.Quote:
Unfair to expect Clete, or any other foreigner to know our system as well as we do. Heck most Americans have trouble getting it right half the time.
It is absolutely stunning that you left out Obama. He accumulated as much debt as every other pres before him COMBINED. Wow. You also conveniently neglect to mention that it was a Newt Gingrich led republican House that crafted and insisted on those balanced budgets Clinton had. Talk about being partisan!Quote:
I stopped worry about the debt and deficit after the original dufus cut taxes after Clinton balanced the budget, and repubs only hollered NOMOMONEY when a democrat was in office.
It would be fine if we had not just endured two presidents (Bush/Obama) that ran up enormous debt, and now a repub pres and dem House that just can't seem to spend money fast enough. If we had been responsible the past twenty years, we would have the margin to do this safely. And please don't go down the road of Trump's tax cuts. That accounts for only 20% (and probably not that much) of the present budget deficit. It is over-spending that is just killing us.Quote:
At least you blast 'em all as being fiscally irresponsible, but hard not to use debt for this current health and fiscal crisis. Darn near impossible.
In this case I didn't throw stones but made an observation based on comment by jl as to humility, you first, lead by exampleQuote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Your comment was totally incorrect. I never said Pelosi was in the Senate. If I did, then post the quote. Otherwise, admit your mistake and drop it, or at least just drop it. It gets old.
You said that the passing of the bill was held up in the senate because of Pelosi but in your system of government the house leader has no say in the Senate so I said I didn't know that Pelosi was a Senator, the inference to be drawn from your statement.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Now if it was my system of government the influence of the prime minister could be said to extend to the senate but Pelosi is not a head of government
Your inference was based upon a faulty assumption. The House and Senate must both approve a bill, so there is always communication going on from one side to the other. Pelosi has a great deal of informal influence in the Senate. All Speakers do. That was your faulty understanding.Quote:
in your system of government the house leader has no say in the Senate so I said I didn't know that Pelosi was a Senator, the inference to be drawn from your statement.
now if that had been your reply in the first instance we would have saved a lot of time
I assumed you knew what you were talking about. My mistake.
same to you with brass balls on
Well then we both made the same mistake. We both assumed you knew what you were talking about, and we were both wrong.
The dems would be very foolish to pass a bill repubs write without scrutiny. The same would go if the roles were reversed, and that's where compromise begins to get a bill in the first place. Of course Turtle face wants a quick bill with no strings attached and go home and run for re election, with something to brag about, as do the dems have their own agenda too for sure, but nobody leaves without a deal.
Now that it is firmly established that money just grows on trees, it really doesn't matter that much. Instead of squeezing this bill down to manageable size, they have just let it expand into the stratosphere. It's just a bad reflection of both parties.
The system is as flawed as the people who run it, and getting worse.
I think the mistake you make is believing there is a system when there is only chaos
Can't forget about the people who elect them.Quote:
The system is as flawed as the people who run it, and getting worse.
I have said before that America got the president it deserves, so yeah I remembered that component as well. We screwed ourselves pretty good. Such is the way of humans. We now face the challenge of what our priority should be, dealing with the virus, or dealing with our economy. Somehow we have to do both, but an economy cannot be strong without healthy people. So it's a no brainer for me that a hospital TRUMPS the factory in this moment in time.
I don't think we can keep dithering about resourcing our health care system right now.
If you are referring to Obama, then that's a good point.Quote:
got the president it deserves,
Honestly, what we are getting is a group of people who are completely irresponsible with spending and who have figured out that the American people are evidently dumb enough to accept deficit spending year after year without being able to look years down the road and see where this is going to take us. It used to be largely democrats, but now even the repubs have figured out that calling for fiscal sanity is a great way to get voted out of office by an electorate all too happy to get the goodies without having to pay for them.
Who is the president NOW? Stop acting like a dufus!
Stop with the name calling and address the real issues. Obama rode 10 tril of deficit spending. Trump is going down the same road. They are, in many ways, two peas in a pod. You worship at the altar of Obama and refuse to see it. That's unfortunate.Quote:
Who is the president NOW? Stop acting like a dufus!
2 trillion . Can't wait to break it down . Betting on more that half is pure pork .
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartanntp
The legislation, unprecedented in its size and scope, aims to flood the economy with capital by sending $1,200 checks to many Americans, creating a $367 billion loan program for small businesses and setting up a $500 billion fund for industries, cities and states. Other provisions include a massive boost to unemployment insurance, $150 billion for state and local stimulus funds, and $130 billion for hospitals. The bill more than doubled in size in just a few days.
and that is the 2nd bill passed and you know there is more coming . Like I said a cr@p sandwich . That's ok our children and grandchildren will sing our praises as they pay for a generational theft
In other words, there has been very little real thought put into it. Why would they need to send checks to the great majority of Americans who still have their jobs? This is largely election year vote-buying.Quote:
The bill more than doubled in size in just a few days.
So they can hunker down for a few MONTHS until the tsunami recedes?Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
So we will send money we don't have to people who don't need it? What a plan.
Waitresses, teachers, and a host of others need it! Specificallly who doesn't need it?
Teachers are still being paid so they don't need it. No one needs it who still has a job which is most people. As for those who don't, unemployment kicks in for them.
I think you get outvoted yet again dude, sorry, but in three weeks until the money rolls out a lot can change especially riding around looking for a freaking roll of toilet paper. Or a bag of rice and beans.
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