And you're an educator? I'll go with 'Clete's wise words and be tolerant.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
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And you're an educator? I'll go with 'Clete's wise words and be tolerant.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
I must protest vigorously! Such arrogant disregard of the rules of grammar deserve an immediate rap across the knuckles and a spirited pull of the left ear and I must evoke my solemn right to watch and jeer! You dare deprive me of such a spectacle because of deference to an AUSSIE?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
SHAMEFUL WG, just shameful! At least pop him upside his head! I mean he did talk back on top of his other offense!
We educators (aka grammarians) no longer physically abuse our students. I'm really surprised that, even without a background in diagramming, JL still doesn't know what "virus" serves as in that sentence. I was so hoping....Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Noun or pronoun.
It's a noun. But it's not a subject. (The pronoun would be "it.") What oh what is it?Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Tal, you do realize that WG is the one with the incorrect answers???Quote:
SHAMEFUL WG, just shameful! At least pop him upside his head!
I don't feel too badly about that. You call yourself a "grammarian" and yet you got it wrong. Oh well. It must be alright not to know since it's true of both of us.Quote:
We educators (aka grammarians) no longer physically abuse our students. I'm really surprised that, even without a background in diagramming, JL still doesn't know what "virus" serves as in that sentence. I was so hoping....
are you the grammar police? who appointed you the arbiter of public knowledge, next you will be telling us what to think, wait, you already do that that making you the thought police too, a heavy burdenQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Either an object complement, or direct or indirect object...I think. Slapping JL upside his head is not abuse, because by definition it can cause no lasting harm, because his head is hard as a freaking rock. It's not abuse unless you use a bat (recommended) and multiple times (Also recommended).
yes we know that, don't point out the obvious
No burden I do it from a keyboard in pajamas. For free in most cases as a free service to the peeps who need it whether they know it or not. So stop complaining it's friggin' free! You should be applauding my public service.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
I don't applaud argy bargy from anyone
You Aussies have no sense of humor, so maybe the need for toilet paper is only perfunctory, and Argy and Bargy are perfectly fine gentlemen who are a hoot at parties.
the need for toilet paper is because all the media hype and politicians running around like headless chooks has given us a bad case of the trots, argy and bargy are apair of mindless idiots who like to stir up troubleQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Speaking straight from the Pulp & Paper Industry: The Toilet Paper shortage is a case where EXTREME consumer demand is outstripping the capacity of the producers to put this product onto the market. The industry can take measures to keep up but the implementation of these measures are not automatic and will take possible production line downtime to make the turnover. The most immediate and best potential method to meet this challenge is to "convert" some Tissue Machines away from making Paper Towels and into making Toilet Paper: If this can be done quickly enough, the Toilet Paper producers and keep ahead of consumer demand....otherwise, its shaping up to be a very unpleasant next several months in the PERSONAL HYGIENE arena!
Never mind the arab world has the solutionQuote:
Originally Posted by Vacuum7
Stores are catching up somewhat and limiting some items per customer, but no doubt product producers have had time to figure out how to keep up with this demand brought about by current events and get on it. It's been more than a month and those adjustments are still not forthcoming?Quote:
Originally Posted by Vacuum7
Talaniman: The problem is that the Paper Industry, like all industries, is trying to strike the balance between Efficiency, Runnability (a word the P&P Industry uses to describe how well the Paper Machine operates), and Production: This is a dicey balance and pulling any one of these three indices will detract from the other two: It is the balance of PROFITABILITY. Now, normally, the profitability of an operation is congruent to the volume of product produced because the "fixed" costs are distributed over a larger product footprint but this is not always the case and the tipping point is, normally, the runnability of the Paper Machine. The capability of a Towel Machine to produce Tissue is there but the expectation must be acknowledged that the converted Towel Machine WILL NEVER produce Tissue as well as will a Paper Machine DESIGNED to produce TISSUE......NOW, if the GOVERNMENT mandates higher productivity level, EFFICIENCY OF OPERATION BE DAMNED, that is another subject! Its a war footing and mentality we need to take on this!
I'm sure, unless its given away free the markets will reward greater production of toilet paper since the demand is thru the roof. 2ply, or 1ply, doesn't matter, it moves like hotcakes.
Latest effort to keep up supply, abandon noise abatement ordinances so trucks can deliver 24/7 to stay ahead of the idiots who strip the shelves bare. What I want to know is where they get all the money to do it?Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
The same place rich guys get their money from OPM. In the face of stay home and don't go out anybody would have to stock up on everything they can. Demand has risen faster than supply can keep up due to the spike in demand. Heck you should have seen that coming from overseas reactions to the virus when it was first reported. That may be great now, but food and toilet paper gets used up and then we are faced with restocking those dwindling supplies which may be a self perpetuating crisis in of itself healthy, or not.
Can you blame people for the stock up mentality when nobody knows how long it will last or when you will get another dollar in your needy little hands? I wonder about all those companies who got loaded with loot through the tax code are now looking for MO'MONEY from the dufus and have no clue how to conduct business through these current events. What happens on March 27th when economic figures are released for the US economy, and we find out that everybody is laid off in record numbers?
I guess those rich guys running the economy and government is maybe not a good idea, and for sure the trickle down is OVER for a while any way.
The answer is price gouging . If people thought it would be cost prohibitive to stock up on 2 months supply then they wouldn't and there would be plenty for everyone .Quote:
Speaking straight from the Pulp & Paper Industry: The Toilet Paper shortage is a case where EXTREME consumer demand is outstripping the capacity of the producers to put this product onto the market. The industry can take measures to keep up but the implementation of these measures are not automatic and will take possible production line downtime to make the turnover. The most immediate and best potential method to meet this challenge is to "convert" some Tissue Machines away from making Paper Towels and into making Toilet Paper: If this can be done quickly enough, the Toilet Paper producers and keep ahead of consumer demand....otherwise, its shaping up to be a very unpleasant next several months in the PERSONAL HYGIENE arena!
My buddies wife said she was stocking up for her whole family in case their household ran low. That's the secondary market for ya!
that's stupidity for you
Not for those that trying to survive that the good economy hasn't embraced. There has always been a second economy in America and if you can understand eating rats and bats and dog and cats in other parts of the world to survive, then understand what the working poor or the poor in any country does to survive. Not everyone has a bidet, even in America.
You tell a poor person to hunker down at home that means stock up, and toilet paper is but one item to be stocked.
Can you say GREED? Biblical....it has been written how man reacts when confronted with hardships....and man will do anything to survive....as will any animal.
Some need more toilet paper than others especially over months. The problem seems to be the supply chain can't keep up with the spike in demand and lets be real, the toilet paper rack isn't the only ones in the store empty.
I don't think that's all greed but how some are preparing for the worst. LOL even congress people are selling those stocks for cash while they can. What you got no stock to sell? Me neither. No 401K to lose either, I'm old school, I sleep on my money rather than let a rich guy use it to get richer.
I hope dems don't jump to fast with resignation talk, because I have no doubt they have stocks and may be dumping some of it too!
I ask you how much toilet paper does one person use in a day, is it one roll? Since this "crisis" began I have observed my own stock of the product and I don't think I am any closer to shortage that I was two weeks ago, the last time toilet paper was readily available in my community. It is foolishness to stockpile toilet paper since other methods of hygiene exist, I also observe that other items are rapidly disappearing, pasta, eggs, milk, however we will survive with some belt tightening afterall we can always eat cakeQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
I have no doubt that people buying a lot of toilet paper have kids, and no other options to wipe their a$$.
everyone has other options
Such as? (Don't flush them, though.)Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Use your imagination, toilet paper is a recent innovation, for centuries it was unknown, but telephone books, newspaper, take a leaf out of the chinese book and don't flush the wipe, brush, sponge, bidet, washer, etc, etc, etc
UGH! Maybe a sock in the pinch on a foreign pot. Hey when ya gotta go ya gotta go, toilet paper or not.
Pity the fool who don't wear socks!
My Nebraska and Idaho relatives' outhouses didn't have a flush mechanism, so pages from the Sears catalogs or city newspaper worked fine. Just be careful -- spiders were in their webs and splinters were on the seat.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
no need to waste your socks tal lots of other things available the Indians have a solution, quite literally a tin of water but then they have a diet where they are not dealing with solidsQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
I doubt my diet allows me to trust a tin of water, and socks are easily available in a pinch, and I do have a drawer full if needed, so it's not a waste. Socks are just plan B when you aren't at home, and no toilet paper is available when the spirit moves you. Now if you have stinky feet or dirty socks you may well have to consider alternatives. You wear a T shirt don't you or have clean draws on when out and about?
Pity the fool that wears dirty socks AND underwear!
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LOLeven congress people are selling those stocks for cash while they can.What you got no stock to sell? Me neither. No 401K to lose either, I'm old school, I sleep on my money rather than let a rich guy use it to get richer.
I hope dems don't jump to fast with resignation talk, because I have no doubt they have stocks and may be dumping some of it too!
I don't see this Republican /Democratic ;blue /red .There is more than enough evidence that our Representatives in Washington live by a different set of rules that exempt them for activities that would be criminal for us . Since 2006, while the median congress person continued to get richer, the typical American household saw their wealth decline, dented by the 2008-09 financial crisis. Lawmakers ;both parties use their position to enhance their wealth through influence peddling and privileged information to make better investments. Like I said ,forget trying to prosecute ,this won't even get past the Ethics committee. That's because most of them to some degree use information they get in hearings to enrich themselves .Current insider trading laws do not apply to nonpublic information about current or upcoming congressional activity .Oh they were very clever about it . 2012 they passed a prohibition that the emperor signed to great fanfare . A year later they gutted it in legislation he also signed that did away with the on line disclosure provision of the law. Now to find out what trades have been made means going to the basement of the Congressional offices and requesting a print out . So for you and I want to find out when and if our representatives are trading ,it requires us to take a field trip to Washington.
They go into hearings and confidential meetings understanding new legislation is going to come out and are free to trade on that information.
If a lawmaker learns an upcoming bill will grant a company a large government contract, which could boost that company's stock, he or she is free to buy that stock ahead of the bill's public introduction. Ethics rules do not even require them to divest from industries they have direct jurisdiction over .And if they are not directly involved in the actual transactions more often than not it was their spouse or family member who profited from the information . Here is the solution ; don’t let public officials be active investors. Forget blind trusts . require them to divest of individual stocks . If they need to be in the market they should own mutual funds and index funds only.
https://www.npr.org/.../how-congress-quietly-overhauled...
Tom, your post is so true. It's true of both parties. It is astonishing how they have figured out that there is supposedly no connection between taxes levied and spending approved. They count on our blindness and ignorance.
it is a question of which came first taxes or spending, a politician can always see an urgent need funded by taxes or as it is better known OPM
Clete, it's especially true after the intentionally blind public accepts the "reality" of continuous deficit spending. It will be our downfall.
Yes and it seems to be infectious, after years of belt tightening and bringing the budget into surplus, my government has gone mad spending billions on a stimulus package that sets the process back years and this from a conservative government who continually touts economic responsibility
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