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The video he was referring to was obvious to everyone on the planet. "Biden bragging at the CFR meeting about withholding aid to the Ukraine to force the firing of the top Ukrainian State Prosecutor." How many times do you think he did that? Good grief.
Digress: About Biden: CAN YOU SAY "DIRTY"! If he said it once about getting the top Ukrainian Prosecutor fired, he said it a bunch! This guy repeats himself constantly....Biden is probably the "OLDEST" man, mentally, of any man you would ever meet for his age. He did a "Quid Pro Quo" with the Ukraine: there can be no doubt about that, either. But I think his boy, Hunter, is a little smarter than his old man, at least once he stopped snorting cocaine up his nostrils (I guess he's stopped? Who knows!): he saw the knife coming and he is trying to pull back from "foreign" business dealings, he says.
I remember when he tried to lynch Justice Thomas during the hearings about Anita Hill: Biden was such a dufus! Judge Thomas came back from a lunch break and broke a cinder block over Biden's incredibly hard head when he said the whole process was racially motivated! Thomas knocked the wind out of Biden, who was grandstanding like a real horse's arse: Biden put his tail between his legs and got really quiet from then on.....That episode let me know all I needed to know about Biden: LOSER!
Vac, I think they are nearly all dirty, at least to some degree. Biden, Trump, Warren, Pelosi, Schiff, Harris, Obama, HC. Which one is not dirty? Sanders might be less so, but he's foolish. Pence is clean, I think. Not sure how efficient he is. Most of them are hiding skeletons, just like most of us.
In related news, black unemployment, at 5.4%, is now at a record low. This is the sixth time that has happened under the Trump administration. I know we will all join in and congratulate him for that fine achievement.
jlisenbe: People have to Give The Devil His Due to Trump for achieving this level of employment! I suspect it will also earn him votes, too.
It's funny how you two have walked back V7's statement that the Ukrainian prosecutor was investigating Biden's son. Funny isn't the best word. More like, pathetic and a clear case of lying.
In a way, I'm glad you did. It encourages me and others to reduce any credence you may have had. Sorry, V7, you're hanging around with the wrong crowd and are being painted with a dirty brush.
Kind of in a nasty mood today? Well, at any rate, I haven't walked anything back. Don't have to since I never said that. In fact, I was very careful NOT to say that. "There is a video showing Biden bragging about getting the prosecutor fired. The reason for the firing is less clear." That is a 100% accurate and truthful statement unlike your statement quoted above.Quote:
It's funny how you two have walked back V7's statement that the Ukrainian prosecutor was investigating Biden's son. Funny isn't the best word. More like, pathetic and a clear case of lying.
Hmm. Kind of puts the shoe on the other foot now, doesn't it?Quote:
In a way, I'm glad you did. It encourages me and others to reduce any credence you may have had.
It's simple enough to go back and look. I'll refresh your memory.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
I challenged V7 to provide the video he claimed showed Biden bragging about stopping the investigation of his son. Within minutes, you posted a link to a video which showed nothing of the sort. Then why did you post it immediately after my challenge to V7? Kind of suspicious, eh?
I posted the link after the post I showed above. I don't defend Vac. That's his job. At any rate, your post above was flatly wrong. End of story.Quote:
It's simple enough to go back and look. I'll refresh your memory.
I challenged V7 to provide the video he claimed showed Biden bragging about stopping the investigation of his son. Within minutes, you posted a link to a video which showed nothing of the sort. Then why did you post it immediately after my challenge to V7? Kind of suspicious.
What was it at the end of Obamas term?Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
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Still higher than white unemployment. Still trying to give the dufus ALL the credit as usual. Pretty insulting to black people! Ask me how I know!
No you didn't. It came immediately after mine.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
//Later - to Tal's chart//
Excellent post, Tal. Gives the lie to the TrUmpites and their constant bragging about black unemployment like they invented it.
Yeah, just like it was during Obama's eight years. I did not give Trump all the credit, but I did give him credit.Quote:
Still higher than white unemployment. Still trying to give the dufus ALL the credit as usual. Pretty insulting to black people! Ask me how I know!
Insulting to black people? On what planet would record low black unemployment be insulting to black people??? Are you kidding?
This was your post you spoke of. "Then provide a link to this so-called video. If not, admit you are wrong." That was addressed to Vac, not to me. But have it anyway you want. The video clearly showed Biden bragging that he had threatened to withhold funds unless Ukraine did what he wanted done. It does not say why. It is just what I said it was.Quote:
No you didn't. It came immediately after mine.
That was not the issue. It never was.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Talaniman: O.K., you want someone to ask you HOW DO YOU KNOW why the low unemployment #'s are insulting to Black people?
Talaniman: Are you a Black man?
Are you complaining blacks are over-represented in unemployment? Are you complaining not enough intention is given to this phenomenon? You will no doubt recall when there was 100% employment of blacks, but then in those days there were other social issues which occupied the mind and I don't think poverty was among themQuote:
Originally Posted by Vacuum7
It's not the number it's an orange guy who takes ALL the credit for events he has done nothing to earn then tells everybody what he has done for you. That's insulting, since black unemployment is still higher than white unemployment like it's always been. Like the previous guy who just left cut the numbers in half and gets NO credit, but you are quick to give it to the dufus NOW. I provided the link before of US unemployment which clearly shows as does the above chart the trend lines were steadily going downward for employment period, so maybe you can say he hasn't screwed that up yet in his 3 years but you cannot say he built THIS economy. If you did your homework, you would also so large swaths of America still have not recovered, or are sluggishly recovering with many ghost towns because mines, plants, and factories are closed, have closed, or will close soon. That's still happening as people transition from one economy to the another.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vacuum7
So yes, a black man would be and is insulted by such rhetoric. The numbers bear that out, and quiet as it's kept, black people aren't the only ones insulted by this lying cheating dufus you give so much credit too, who really can only claim lying, cheating, stealing. and being a big mouth insulting BULLY.
Give him the credit he deserves for that too! Obviously you don't care because you think he is doing it for YOU right?
Have no idea what you mean unless you are speaking of the slave days. Everyone is an economic slave here nowadays.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
So it was also insulting during the eight years of Obama?Quote:
That's insulting, since black unemployment is still higher than white unemployment like it's always been.
I give Obama credit for doubling the national debt and producing an economy which did grow slowly.Quote:
Like the previous guy who just left cut the numbers in half and gets NO credit, but you are quick to give it to the dufus NOW.
Was even MORE the case with Obama, but I didn't see you complaining then. Why is it that you complain now, even as records are being set, but didn't complain with Obama? Even now you won't complain about Obama. Why is that?Quote:
If you did your homework, you would also so large swaths of America still have not recovered, or are sluggishly recovering with many ghost towns because mines, plants, and factories are closed, have closed, or will close soon.
Were you here when Obama was the prez? I have often invited you to read those archives before you talk what you don't know, or make stuff up to fit YOUR narrative while not being much on data research or HOMEWORK. I mean you think that stating an obvious FACT is name calling by gosh.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
From the link
Sooner or later your going to let go of your nose and smell the CURRENT stink yo boy is brewing instead of bashing Obama.Quote:
On September 8, 2017, Trump signed a bill increasing the debt ceiling. Later that day, the debt exceeded $20 trillion for the first time in U.S. history. On February 9, 2018, Trump signed a bill suspending the debt ceiling until March 1, 2019. It was $22 trillion. In just two years,Trump has overseen the fastest dollar increase in the debt of any president.
Trump's Fiscal Year 2020 budget projects the debt would increase $5 trillion during his first term. That's as much as Obama added while fighting a recession. Trump has not fulfilled his campaign promise to cut the debt. Instead, he's done the opposite.
PS notice sometimes my links have embedded links for more DATA.
I have spoken frequently of Obama. You just don't like all I say. He doubled the national debt. He did stave off economic disaster, though how extreme it was still is in question. He had the weakest post-recession recovery in a hundred years, but the economy did grow slowly in his eight years.Quote:
Were you here when Obama was the prez? I have often invited you to read those archives before you talk what you don't know, or make stuff up to fit YOUR narrative while not being much on data research or HOMEWORK. I mean you think that stating an obvious FACT is name calling by gosh.
From the link
Your data is not correct. Obama had almost 3 tril of def spending his first two years. Trump's first two years were about half of that. But I would agree that he and the dem congress should have their butts kicked for that incredible overspending. Most of that deficit does not come from the tax cuts (about 150 bil a year), but from simply spending way too much money. And if the tax cuts did stimulate the economy, then they could very well end up paying for themselves.Quote:
On September 8, 2017, Trump signed a bill increasing the debt ceiling. Later that day, the debt exceeded $20 trillion for the first time in U.S. history. On February 9, 2018, Trump signed a bill suspending the debt ceiling until March 1, 2019. It was $22 trillion. In just two years,Trump has overseen the fastest dollar increase in the debt of any president.
Trump's Fiscal Year 2020 budget projects the debt would increase $5 trillion during his first term. That's as much as Obama added while fighting a recession. Trump has not fulfilled his campaign promise to cut the debt. Instead, he's done the opposite.
Sooner or later your going to let go of your nose and smell the CURRENT stink yo boy is brewing instead of bashing Obama.
https://www.thebalance.com/us-deficit-by-year-3306306
https://www.thebalance.com/cost-of-t...x-cuts-4586645
As to the current stink, if you're talking about Schiff and Pelosi, then I agree completely. The smell is atrocious.
You question my data then show your own, that's the way it works as you well know otherwise your making stuff up and you wouldn't want me to think that now would you?
You can boohoo all you want, but as the testimony of credible witnesses parade before the American people the dufus will have to explain himself and his actions for illegally with holding duly process and approved funds for his personal gain, eerie similar to the way he ran his chariity casinos and university SCAMS.
For a president to withhold such funding does require going through a formal process, that includes a formal notification of the congress...oh wait they haven't gotten that far yet..! If you missed the hearings live they can be seen on CSpan.
You didn't study the Mueller Report, haven't followed the transcripts, and won't watch the hearings, but Nancy and Adam suck. My that's an informed opinion. Hard to argue with that! /SARCASM font engaged set at HEAVY and dripping/
Uhm...I did.Quote:
You question my data then show your own, that's the way it works as you well know otherwise your making stuff up and you wouldn't want me to think that now would you?
You talking about those guys who can only tell what someone else told them they thought they heard a different person say? Yeah, that's real credible. I would call it incredible that we are wasting our time with them. If yesterday is all the dems have, then it's over with.Quote:
You can boohoo all you want, but as the testimony of credible witnesses parade before the American people the dufus will have to explain himself and his actions for illegally with holding duly process and approved funds for his personal gain, eerie similar to the way he ran his chariity casinos and university SCAMS.
Well when the guys who know the first hand stuff are allowed to testify we can clear this up real quick can't we. The dufus said NO, and that's that!. I missed your data somehow, sorry please provide it again.Quote:
You talking about those guys who can only tell what someone else told them they thought they heard a different person say? Yeah, that's real credible. I would call it incredible that we are wasting our time with them. If yesterday is all the dems have, then it's over with.
It's always tomorrow. Someone else. Some other testimony. Just wait til next week.Quote:
Well when the guys who know the first hand stuff are allowed to testify we can clear this up real quick can't we.
There are two links.Quote:
I missed your data somehow, sorry please provide it again.
Patience Hopper grass, it's a slow process, and I got the links. From your links
On September 8, 2017, Trump signed a bill increasing the debt ceiling. Later that day, the debt exceeded $20 trillion for the first time in U.S. history. On February 9, 2018, Trump signed a bill suspending the debt ceiling until March 1, 2019. It was $22 trillion. In just two years,Trump has overseen the fastest dollar increase in the debt of any president.
Trump's Fiscal Year 2020 budget projects the debt would increase $5 trillion during his first term. That's as much as Obama added while fighting a recession. Trump has not fulfilled his campaign promise to cut the debt. Instead, he's done the opposite.
Thought I didn't read my own links dude?
As you can see very easily by looking at the chart on my first post, Obama borrowed a great deal more his first two years than did Trump.Quote:
On September 8, 2017, Trump signed a bill increasing the debt ceiling. Later that day, the debt exceeded $20 trillion for the first time in U.S. history. On February 9, 2018, Trump signed a bill suspending the debt ceiling until March 1, 2019. It was $22 trillion. In just two years,Trump has overseen the fastest dollar increase in the debt of any president.
Trump's Fiscal Year 2020 budget projects the debt would increase $5 trillion during his first term. That's as much as Obama added while fighting a recession. Trump has not fulfilled his campaign promise to cut the debt. Instead, he's done the opposite.
Also note the first sentence of your first quote. "Trump signed a bill." Guess who sent him the bill? If you guessed the democrat House, then you get to move to the front of the line. Trump is an idiot for not balancing the budget. So are the dems in the House. Can we agree on that?
Jl, when did a demonrat balance a budget? You expect the impossible, or at least the highly improbable. Liberals love OPM, it is there for their taking, but the US budget is beyond balancing, it would take a change in philosophy, better to repudiate the national debtQuote:
"Trump signed a bill." Guess who sent him the bill? If you guessed the democrat House, then you get to move to the front of the line. Trump is an idiot for not balancing the budget. So are the dems in the House. Can we agree on that?
Actually, Clete, Bill Clinton and a repub House were the last ones to balance a budget. They actually had a surplus for a couple of years. I really think we will go on with this til the wheels fall off the cart.Quote:
Jl, when did a demonrat balance a budget? You expect the impossible, or at least the highly improbable. Liberals love OPM, it is there for their taking, but the US budget is beyond balancing, it would take a change in philosophy, better to repudiate the national debt
Yeah recessions teetering on depression GLOBALLY will do that. He saved the whole world dude.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
And if you guess a repub senate and WH had to go along with the house bill you can join me at the head of the class.Quote:
Also note the first sentence of your first quote. "Trump signed a bill." Guess who sent him the bill? If you guessed the democrat House, then you get to move to the front of the line.
I knew he was blowing smoke when he said it during the campaign, because any idiot knows you can't cut the military and engage in a few wars/conflicts or whatever you want to call it, cover all us old farts retiring with our sick a$$es, and have Mother Nature raising heck. LOL, you thought the dufus was a Clinton?Quote:
Trump is an idiot for not balancing the budget. So are the dems in the House. Can we agree on that?
I would agree with your premise but you seem to skip the repubs in the senate as part of the idiocy...AGAIN! Why?
That's questionable.Quote:
He saved the whole world dude.
Because all spending bills must originate in the House.Quote:
I would agree with your premise but you seem to skip the repubs in the senate as part of the idiocy...AGAIN! Why?
And go to the senate for approval or reconciliation, or they can introduce their own version. Nothing gets to the Prez without going through the senate. When repubs had the House for 2 years under the dufus where was their balanced budget bill, or the 6 years under Obama?
actually he was once or at least a friend and demonrat voter, but he sniffed the wind, and when Obama was elected he became a republican or a pelican, take your pick.
Yes! I agree with you completely. They are both totally irresponsible when it comes to spending. There is no level of taxation that can raise another trillion dollars without wrecking the economy, so spending in all areas must be cut.Quote:
And go to the senate for approval or reconciliation, or they can introduce their own version. Nothing gets to the Prez without going through the senate. When repubs had the House for 2 years under the dufus where was their balanced budget bill, or the 6 years under Obama?
Like the sequester from the Obama era that cut 10% across the board?
That was the major point of the Trump "tax cut". Squeeze the government programs to death through falling revenues.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
That's a great idea, but sadly it would not balance the budget. You would have to cut spending by nearly 30% to balance the budget. That's just how bad it is. The Trump tax cuts would add less than 200 bil back into the budget. You would still be 800 bil over budget. We cannot tax our way out of this problem. Spending cuts are coming. The only question is whether we will grow a brain and institute them in a sane manner, or will we do like Greece and have them forced upon us.Quote:
Like the sequester from the Obama era that cut 10% across the board?
I'm for forcing them on you, only an austerity program like Greece will bring reality. So get rid of tax loopholes and tax havens which benefit the rich, like Trump, and make the rich pay their true share of tax, next institute a universal health scheme and remove the price gouging doctors from the system, revise the liability system so noone can get rich, just compensated and make the military do with last year's model rather than buying new onesQuote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
That's so funny. You call for an austerity program like Greece had. Then you parade the tired old dem talking points. Make the rich pay their "fair share". The top 20% of income earners are paying more than 85% of the income taxes, but you want them to pay their "fair share"? Then we'll really cut spending by instituting...a huge new spending program like universal health care? Well, that is a "scheme" for sure. Revise the liability system? That probably needs work, but how does that cut fed spending?Quote:
I'm for forcing them on you, only an austerity program like Greece will bring reality. So get rid of tax loopholes and tax havens which benefit the rich, like Trump, and make the rich pay their true share of tax, next institute a universal health scheme and remove the price gouging doctors from the system, revise the liability system so noone can get rich, just compensated and make the military do with last year's model rather than buying new ones
You were critical of the cuts of sequestration, but then you want to supposedly call for austerity? Ten percent would only be a start. EVERYTHING would have to be cut. Welfare? Yes. National parks? Yes. Congressional staffs. Yes. Military? Yes. Size of military? Yes. All federal services? Yes. EVERYTHING will have to be cut PAINFULLY and there can be no new spending until the budget is balanced. That's exactly why it's not being fixed. It's gotten so out of hand that fixing it is going to be very, very difficult, and no politician wants to have to do something painful until the time arrives when he has no choice.
You do not understand the depth of the problem. We are spending 4.7 tril and only taking in 3.6 tril. In my view, it's hopeless. It won't get fixed until the wheels fall of the cart and we have to fix it. We, as a nation, have become too lazy and stupid to expect anything else to happen. Blame Trump? Blame the dem House? Try blaming us.
And before someone stupidly brings up the Trump tax cuts, that is less than 200 bil a year. It is less than 20 cents on the dollar to the budget deficit. We are now taking in more than a trillion dollars more in revenues a year than we did in 2012, and yet the budget is not even close to being balanced. The problem is spending, and it will have to be cut dramatically and painfully. If you don't believe that, then you don't know what you're talking about. Just that simple. If you don't believe that, then contradict the math, but do it honestly. Good luck with that.
But the House can't pay any attention to that because they are too busy with this stupid witch hunt of impeaching Trump over who knows what. We need to get rid of the whole bunch and bring in some people who are committed to doing the right thing.
And good morning to everyone!
https://www.thebalance.com/current-u...evenue-3305762
Good morning my friend, from your link,
"Revenues would be much higher without the Trump tax plan. It was also lowered by the extension of the Bush tax cuts and the Obama tax cuts. They were meant to fight the 2001 recession and the 2008 recession. They were supposed to spur the consumer spending that drives almost 70% of economic growth.
But most people didn't even realize this happened since the tax cut showed up as reduced withholding instead of a check. Instead of spending the cuts, people used some of it to pay off debt. The recession scared people into saving more and using credit cards less. So, the budget didn't expand enough to spur economic growth.
Now that the recession is over, those tax cuts should be reversed. Taxes should be increased, not cut. An economic expansion is the time to pay off the debt, not add to it."
Makes sense to me.
1. Makes sense to me too.Quote:
Now that the recession is over, those tax cuts should be reversed. Taxes should be increased, not cut. An economic expansion is the time to pay off the debt, not add to it."
Makes sense to me.
2. You criticized Mr. Obama for his tax cuts. I'm impressed!
3. Fed income tax revenues (not counting social security) have increased by about a trillion dollars (a 60% increase) since 2010. How much more revenue do you want? You keep talking about tax rates. You would be better off to look at revenue levels.
4. If this website's projections are correct, then if we would simply freeze fed spending at current levels, we would have a balanced budget by 2024. If we would cut spending by only 10%, then it would happen a year earlier. 10% would not be fun, but if I had good reason to do so, my wife and I could cut our spending by 10% and we'd be OK. So can the fed government.
http://www.polidiotic.com/by-the-num...ficit-by-year/
5. Federal spending has increased by 400% in only thirty years. Does that sound good to you?
6. Tax increases? So you are saying that you're ready for your income taxes to be increased?
You criticise me for liberial oriented thinking, and yet, I live in a place where some of these things have been achieved. Admitedly the economy is smaller and there are less social ills to be dealt with, but, military spending is only 2% of GDP, which is one of the keys. There is something dysfunctional about a government that continually spends more than it receives. Cutting 10% won't do it, to achieve equilibrum the cut must be 25%, but a large part of spending is interest, no wonder Trump wants interest rates to be lower.
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