You never accept OUR links as having any truth in them, so I figured you would see by means of your own searching that, yes, he is enriching himself as president.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
|
You never accept OUR links as having any truth in them, so I figured you would see by means of your own searching that, yes, he is enriching himself as president.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
I linked to the compost and the slimes . Those are supposed to be the legacy media who's reporting is non-impeachable .Quote:
feel free to google this with a variety of keywords. The information is out there on a number of websites.
Just everyone remember: Trump DOES NOT ACCEPT A SALARY AS PRESIDENT......no other POTUS ever did that.....something to be said for that, even if you don't like him.
Check National Review too.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
He doesn't have to. His being president and using his influence more than makes up for his "lost" income.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vacuum7
No links. No evidence. Just vague references to "Check National Review." Oh well. Has he been convicted of a crime? No. Has he been formally charged with a crime? No. Has MSNBC charged him with criminal activity? Who cares?
TDS
I made you look! I made you look! Now can we get serious?Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Why did Pence stay at Doonbeg (across the country) instead of in Dublin where his meetings were? Who profited?
Sorry. I didn't look. Like I said, I won't do your research for you. I've been serious the whole time.
It's all over the Internet. Lots of cases, situations. You refuse to believe me so do your own research. It's there!Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Earlier I wrote: Why did Pence stay at Doonbeg (across the country) instead of in Dublin where his meetings were? Who profited?
An investigation would clear him if everything is on the up and up, and the AF explains why the traffic to this airport have increased* You know AF protocol review, the JOB of the oversight committee.He donates his after tax checks (Quarterly) to government projects. Wonder if it's deductible on his tax returns? Probably. Bloomberg in New York has the same setup as well as Mitt Romney. It's a common thing among rich people. Ask Zuckerberg or Oprah about rich people tax havens.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vacuum7
Per your article Tom
Quote:
The bookings for United States military personnel staying at the Trump resort are made by employees of the Glasgow Prestwick Airport, which has an incentive to curry favor with Mr. Trump. The airport has become economically reliant on the military refueling flights, creating at least the appearance of a motive to steer business to the American commander in chief.
*Linked in another post.
It's so "all over the internet" that you don't seem to be able to find a single example. I don't believe you since you have presented nothing to believe other than a baseless allegation. And then, to top it all off, you want to suggest that I do the research that you are completely unwilling to do. And now you are serious? Well, I'd hate to see you when you are non-serious.Quote:
It's all over the Internet. Lots of cases, situations. You refuse to believe me so do your own research. It's there!
You are sooooo funneeeee! Typical JL!Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Earlier I wrote: Why did Pence stay at Doonbeg (across the country) instead of in Dublin where his meetings were? Who profited?
Follow the money!Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
That's the best you have? We've spent all of this time waiting for this?Quote:
Earlier I wrote: Why did Pence stay at Doonbeg (across the country) instead of in Dublin where his meetings were? Who profited?
Here is his explanation. Sounds reasonable. If you are upset about this, then I'll bet you were practically apoplectic about the disaster in Benghazi and the subsequent campaign of lying and disinformation that went on afterwards. True?? Or even the Obama family vacation in Hawaii that went on for two weeks.
That's my big complaint in this situation, of wanting to make a big deal of Pence spending two nights at a Trump-owned facility, but being unconcerned about the deaths of four Americans due to Obama's and Clinton's inaction.
https://www.mywabashvalley.com/news/...ty-in-ireland/
I see you can't answer. And I have so many more. No recess for you next week!Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
I linked the answer. I pasted the text below if that will prove helpful to you.Quote:
I see you can't answer. And I have so many more. No recess for you next week!
Next week? So it's going to take that long for you to come up with another spurious example? Oh well. At least you are back in the game. That's encouraging!
"DUBLIN (AP) — U.S. Vice President Mike Pence on Tuesday defended his decision to stay at one of President Donald Trump’s properties while in Ireland in the face of criticism by Democrats and good government groups that he’s enriching Trump at taxpayers’ expense. He called the Trump property a “logical” choice.
Speaking to reporters in Dublin, where he spent the day, Pence spoke about his personal connection to the village of Doonbeg — the site of both the Trump International Golf Links & Hotel as well as family history.
“It’s deeply humbling for me to be able to come back to Ireland and have the opportunity to go to the very hometown of my mother’s grandmother,” said Pence.
Pence added that he understood “political attacks by Democrats,” but said the State Department had signed off on the decision. He said Doonbeg is a “fairly small place” and the opportunity to stay at the property, “to accommodate the unique footprint that comes with our security detail and other personnel, made it logical.”
Trump, who owns hotels and golf clubs across the U.S. and in Europe, has come under intense criticism for frequenting properties he owns and profits from — giving them taxpayer-funded publicity and running up millions of dollars in taxpayer costs. Foreign governments and groups looking to curry favor with the president have also spent large sums at his properties, raising ethical alarms about potential pay-to-play dynamics and other conflicts.
Marc Short, Pence’s chief of staff, told reporters aboard Air Force Two earlier that the decision to stay at the Trump property was made at the president’s “suggestion” and that Pence and his entourage were not staying for free. Short said Pence’s office followed official protocol and the club is the “one facility” in the Doonbeg area able to accommodate a group of their size.
Pence, who is traveling with his wife, mother and sister, had originally planned to visit the village at the end of a trip to Europe, spending a single night in the village after visits to Iceland, London and Dublin. But then Trump canceled his planned visit to Poland because of Hurricane Dorian, and asked Pence to take his place. That forced last-minute reshuffling of travel plans.
Instead of making two separate trips to Europe or canceling Pence’s trip, his staff switched around the stops, so that he traveled from Poland to Ireland to Iceland to London. Under the new schedule, Pence is staying stay two nights in Doonbeg, but flew the hour-or-so into Dublin on Tuesday for official meetings, including coffee with Irish President Michael Higgins and lunch with Irish Prime Minister Leo Varadkar and his partner.
Short said advance teams and Secret Service had already done weeks of planning work to secure the site, one reason they decided to keep the Doonbeg plan in place.
The decision drew criticism back home.
Democratic Rep. Ted Lieu of California accused Pence of “Funneling taxpayer money to @POTUS by staying at this Trump resort,” calling the move “sooooooo corrupt.”
“Your tax dollars: making the Trump family richer,” the Democratic National Committee added by tweet, noting Trump’s own visits to his Virginia golf club over the long weekend.
The Air Force puts the flight-cost of a C-32, the modified Boeing 757 jet known as Air Force Two when Pence is on board, at about $13,000 per hour. The vice president is personally covering all costs for his mother and sister, Short said.
Pence said he was pleased to have the opportunity to return to the village where he worked for several weeks during his first visit to Ireland when he was 22. He was greeted by a cheering crowd of several dozen outside Morrissey’s, the restaurant and pub where he worked, which is still run by a distant relative.
His mother, Nancy, who is along for the ride, seemed to enjoy the scene. Asked what the vice president would order for dinner, she jokingly responded, “a Guinness.” Pence does not drink."
That "logical choice" was across the country, 180 miles away from his meeting place.
Um, you didn't cite your source. I was going to use that same source to prove exactly the opposite of what you did. Yes, Pence covered the charges at Trump's estate -- but only for his mother and sister. Pence's and wife's housing and traveling expenses came out of the taxpayers' pockets and jumped into Trump's.
Clear you have nothing better to do than engage in witch hunts
No doubt this was missed in the US in the excitement of finding the VP stayed at a Trump property.
Oil facilities in Saudi Arabia were raided and set on fire in what will cause serious repercussions to world oil supplies and thus oil prices. It may become so serious that once again the US will have to review the romance with the SUV. Action will have to be taken to stabilise Yemen before this spreads to the Gulf
Yep. Always the diversion. The Pence story was a distraction from that story and several others.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Cite my source? I gave a link and the text. What more do you want?Quote:
Um, you didn't cite your source. I was going to use that same source to prove exactly the opposite of what you did. Yes, Pence covered the charges at Trump's estate -- but only for his mother and sister. Pence's and wife's housing and traveling expenses came out of the taxpayers' pockets and jumped into Trump's.
It's a nothing story. Were you this upset when the Obamas vacationed in Hawaii for two weeks?
Pence wasn't on vacation. He turned it into one so his boss would financially benefit.
Yes, the Iranians attached Saudi Arabian oil processing facilities and that will be used as an excuse to jack up gas prices all around.....However, just this week, GUESS WHO JUST SURPASSED SAUDIA ARABIA AS THE WORLDS LARGEST OIL EXPORTER? Yep, you guessed it: THE UNITED STATES! So, Saudi Arabia and the whole sandstorm of hell called the Middle East just doesn't hold the same level of threat to us as it used to hold.....And I, for one, look forward to the day when we can tell Saudi Arabia, our ally who really hates our guts, to go pound, or better yet, go eat their damned sand.
I have no idea why it would be OK to waste government money on a two week vacation to Hawaii but not OK to supposedly waste government money while on government business. That's a rather strange approach.Quote:
Pence wasn't on vacation. He turned it into one so his boss would financially benefit.
As to Pence, if you read the article then you found that he did not make the two night stay in order to benefit Trump. Do you really believe that Trump sat down with Pence and said, "I'm sending you over to Ireland for two nights so you can stay in one of my hotels. That way I can make a couple of grand off the government." Don't you think that's kind of far-fetched? If Trump wanted to make money off the government, why wouldn't he simply keep his presidential salary?
this is so comical . Trump lost money being President . I used to travel down the Hudson River Parkway to downtown NYC . Luxury Apartments with the Trump name lined the route . Now all of them have removed Trump's name . Retail stores stopped selling Trump brand merchandize . He lost NBC 's airing of Miss USA . Rates at Trump hotels dropped since his Presidency .
https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...d9d_story.html
Even at Trump Tower occupancy dropped . The condo owners don't like all the secret service checks .
https://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...ncy-rate-drops
There is more evidence of this on the web if you care to check and stop listening to Jerry Nadler's bleating .
Yes, Tom, Trump loses money being President. He always has lost money, no matter what deal he has made. Thus, his sly and not-so-sly greediness now and in the past. He didn't inherit any financial acumen from his father.
You make a great and compelling case for a rich guy chasing those dollars, because that's what a rich guy does. The fact he is president is pretty secondary to him, because it's just another way to promote his brand for profits, and lets face it, his brand NEEDS an infusion of cash and taxpayers are as good a cash cow as you can get, bar none!Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Obama's vacations paid by taxpayers didn't put money in his pocket, a difference you ignore since the dufus has spent a third of the time where he can get cash into his businesses. or profit as capitalists call it.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
You could be right here, maybe it was Pence's idea to kiss the dufus a$$! Either way it's a profit for the dufus at taxpayer expense, and brownie points for Pence. Sorry but not far fetched at all given the outcome, MO'MONEY for the dufus.Quote:
As to Pence, if you read the article then you found that he did not make the two night stay in order to benefit Trump. Do you really believe that Trump sat down with Pence and said, "I'm sending you over to Ireland for two nights so you can stay in one of my hotels. That way I can make a couple of grand off the government." Don't you think that's kind of far-fetched? If Trump wanted to make money off the government, why wouldn't he simply keep his presidential salary?
From JL's link: Marc Short, Pence’s chief of staff, told reporters aboard Air Force Two earlier that the decision to stay at the Trump property was made at the president’s “suggestion”.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Look, hating the rich because they are rich isn't right, either.....not a fan of Class Warfare......The "Lower Class" will never be in a position to grab all the riches of the "Rich".....this is Marxist theory and it has never worked.....look at all the multi-millionaires in communist China......We can not expect to destroy all rich people for the gain of the Middle Class or poor.....this stuff is Biblical and it was here long before us and will remain long after we are gone!
"Hating the rich"???? How do you know I'm not one of them? What happens to that wealth when they die?Quote:
Originally Posted by Vacuum7
So he built a multi-billion dollar business by LOSING money? Where did you get your MBA?Quote:
Yes, Tom, Trump loses money being President. He always has lost money, no matter what deal he has made. Thus, his sly and not-so-sly greediness now and in the past. He didn't inherit any financial acumen from his father.
TDS. You really need to get some help with that.
Oh. OK, I think I get it now. It's alright to take vacations with taxpayer money and thus waste taxpayer money (especially if you're last name is Obama), but not OK to have a government official spend a night in a hotel and make a profit off of government business. Well yes, that makes perfectly good sense. So glad you explained that.Quote:
Obama's vacations paid by taxpayers didn't put money in his pocket, a difference you ignore since the dufus has spent a third of the time where he can get cash into his businesses. or profit as capitalists call it.
My M isn't a BA.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Oh, he's not poor. He's cheated and stolen from and underpaid and not paid many people in order to keep a great part of his money. If he'd carefully invested instead of losing money on all those ill-managed start-ups, he'd be a lot richer than he is now. Oh, well. He'll be history soon.
I can handle why people don't like Trump. Heck, I don't like him, but it doesn't help your cause when you just start throwing around baseless charges. First you make the charge that he lost money all his life which is plainly absurd. Then you have to backtrack and suggest he stole money, cheated employees, and so forth. Just throwing around accusations in the vain hope that one might actually stick is what's wrong with the dem party now. The truth is that he has made a boatload of money over the past decades by making smart business decisions. Was he dishonest in some ways? I imagine he was, just like we can say the same about Mr. Obama who you loved with great passion. If you want to have some standards, then I would hope you would apply them across the board.Quote:
Oh, he's not poor. He's cheated and stolen from and underpaid and not paid many people in order to keep a great part of his money. If he'd carefully invested instead of losing money on all those ill-managed start-ups, he'd be a lot richer than he is now. Oh, well. He'll be history soon.
You have no idea if that is true or not. It is complete conjecture. Wild guesswork.Quote:
If he'd carefully invested instead of losing money on all those ill-managed start-ups, he'd be a lot richer than he is now.
"Donald Trump’s net worth has grown about 300% to an estimated $4 billion since 1987, according to a report by the Associated Press. But the real estate mogul would have made even more money if he had just invested in index funds. The AP says that, if Trump had invested in an index fund in 1988, his net worth would be as much as $13 billion."Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
https://fortune.com/2015/08/20/donal...p-index-funds/
Here's a list of ten of his businesses that failed:
https://www.toptenz.net/10-of-donald...ely-failed.php
He stiffed contractors and underpays employees. (Why do you think he hires illegal immigrants -- so he doesn't have to pay them much.) --
https://fortune.com/2016/10/08/donal...s-contractors/
"You know, the truth is I have a lot of illegals working for me in Miami,” he told them, using the term for undocumented immigrants those in the meeting found offensive. “You know in Miami, my golf course is tended by all these Hispanics — if it wasn’t for them my lawn wouldn’t be the lawn it is; it’s the best lawn,” Pacheco recalled Trump saying.
Read more: https://www.americanthinker.com/blog...#ixzz5zcz0FC69
[QUOTE]Quote:
"Donald Trump’s net worth has grown about 300% to an estimated $4 billion since 1987, according to a report by the Associated Press. But the real estate mogul would have made even more money if he had just invested in index funds. The AP says that, if Trump had invested in an index fund in 1988, his net worth would be as much as $13 billion."
https://fortune.com/2015/08/20/donal...p-index-funds/
Here's a list of ten of his businesses that failed:
https://www.toptenz.net/10-of-donald...ely-failed.php
He stiffed contractors and underpays employees. (Why do you think he hires illegal immigrants -- so he doesn't have to pay them much.) --
https://fortune.com/2016/10/08/donal...s-contractors/
Well done! You have started dealing with facts.
To the first point, HC claimed DT started with 14 mil in 1975. If he was worth 4 bil in 2015, then that's a growth of about 28,500%, which is pretty doggone good I would think. He, of course, claims he is worth much more than 4 bil.
I'm sure he had businesses that failed. That seems to be part of the process. When I've shown a net worth increase over 20,000%, I'll get with him and let him know how foolish that is.
Sorry, but your third article is just second hand conjecture. Nothing of substance is in the article. If Trump had ever publicly acknowledged the hiring of illegal aliens, he would have been prosecuted. It is illegal.
He's lied, cheated, and stolen to make some of that profit. So Christian of him.... Oh yeah, he's a baby Christian
Did you read about the businesses that failed? Stoopid. Greasy steak sold in black gift boxes through The Sharper Image??? The quest for urine samples to create vitamins??? You just can't make this stuff up!
As for the third link, there are more like that.
Are you as equally offended by Mr. Obama's lying? I'd really like to hear you answer that one. Are you?Quote:
He's lied, cheated, and stolen to make some of that profit. So Christian of him.... Oh yeah, he's a baby Christian
I've never suggested Mr. Trump was a Christian.
How many businesses have you started? Probably about as many as I have.Quote:
Did you read about the businesses that failed? Stoopid. Greasy steak sold in black gift boxes through The Sharper Image??? The quest for urine samples to create vitamins??? You just can't make this stuff up!
You mean second-hand gossip column material like that one?Quote:
As for the third link, there are more like that.
Firstly, noone should get judgemental about someone's professed beliefs since we all love to call others hypocrites.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Secondly, there is one born every minute, have you been to see the egress yet?
Thirdly, some businesses are less kosher than others. In the Trump family this appears to be particularly so.
I can go to the supermarket and buy greasy steak or I can order it online, it really depends on how big a fool I am today. It is true that Trump has more failed business ventures than I have, but then noone gave me a start of a million dollars but I was instilled to tell the truth and thus I may not succeed often
Trump's up to at least 6000 since taking office.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Many conservatives believe he is one.Quote:
I've never suggested Mr. Trump was a Christian.
Three.Quote:
How many businesses have you started? Probably about as many as I have.
Evasive as always. You dodged the question. Disappointing. Courage is required here.Quote:
Trump's up to at least 6000 since taking office.
Just like many liberals believe Mr. Obama was a Christian. What's your point?Quote:
Many conservatives believe he is one.
As to businesses, I started two. Neither was successful.
it doesn't matter
| All times are GMT -7. The time now is 03:57 AM. |