That would be an enormous step forward.Quote:
Choice is a good thing. That is being denied to too many parents.
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That would be an enormous step forward.Quote:
Choice is a good thing. That is being denied to too many parents.
Thank you! Summers are shorter than ever, but I can see retirement is not so far off, thank goodness.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
I’m not sure why more school districts don’t create schools of choice. If they don’t abide by the rules, they’re done.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
That's a really good question. In one district I used to work in, a city of about 35,000, parents could choose to send their child to a different school in the district as long as the school had room for them. The parent had to transport the child, and the child had to behave, but a year after I left they decided to drop that. In our case, out of about 400 students, about 100 were of that transfer variety.Quote:
I’m not sure why more school districts don’t create schools of choice. If they don’t abide by the rules, they’re done.
One thing that tends to work against choice is the fact that the governing officials of the district lose that aspect of control. Federal court decisions also can be a real problem.
What did they do with the kids on those waiting lists, when there is no more room? Why are all schools not meeting the same standard? What of those families with no transportation or who work those hours where they cannot drop off and pick up their kids? What about those families that can't afford child care or have special needs kids, or even the extended family support? A town of 35,000 has an inner city? Or did you mean a poor section of town?
I have said before how teachers are the pillars of the community, under valued but dedicated, and I also feel schools are the foundations of the community. There is something inherently wrong with a community that has a dilapidated building for a school and those are found in the real inner cities where its so easy to suck and redirect the resources away from the community that needs them.
My kick about school choice is some, MOST, don't have that choice. I worry about those left behind that their needs cannot be met.
I'm thinking the answer is two fold. First, run all schools properly. It is not a money problem, it's a will problem. We must have the will to be sure that all schools are orderly and focused on learning. Secondly, we should recognize that parents have authority over their own children, not the government, so parents should be free to enroll their children where they want. Yes, available room can be a problem as can transportation, but the world is not a perfect place. It would still be an effort to maximize liberty.Quote:
My kick about school choice is some, MOST, don't have that choice. I worry about those left behind that their needs cannot be met.
And yes, medium sized towns have inner city areas.
In part it's because not all schools have the same students. It's like asking why all football teams don't go undefeated.Quote:
Why are all schools not meeting the same standard?
Good laugh for the morning.
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Aw man, still having trouble with those attachments! I really needed a good laugh. The dem debate just didn't do it.
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I figured you'd like it. There's one in every family!!
She would've won the day if she started speaking Cherokee .
BTW this is my new favorite Democrat candidate . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JA6gYXEdwY
i just donated $1 to her campaign so I can get on a mailing list .
Anybody but the dufus.
No you did that last time, anyone but Hilliary, don't do it again
I voted for Hillary, and despite her poor Electoral College showing the bigger picture was the turnout in some areas that counted the most by dems in the middle of the country. 100,000 votes or less in 5 key states is hardly a mandate, or a huge endorsement and that pesky Vlad looms as large as ever. Even if the dufus gets elected again the dufuscans in the senate may not be around to protect him as they are now.
One can hope.
get over it, the electoral college elected Trump which proves that the population of a few states cannot run the countryQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
I've been over it. It is what it is and dems must do better. Simple as that.
Probably could be said of both parties.Quote:
dems must do better.
Yeah true, but if dems don't do better at turnout we get the dufus and a dufuscan senate again. That's a horrible thought to me. More of the same crap for two years at least? We can do better.
I've decided ....Williamson is going to be my write in candidate .
I can't say that's a bad choice. Harris's and Warren's debate performances have gotten them traction, poor Joe's showing has hurt him for now. It's still rather early though.
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Left wing establishment elitism is no less dangerous than Right wing establishment elitism because it undermines the energy needed to create real change. The wisdom of the American people is the only safe repository for power. Claim it; don’t give it away.
Sounds good but I fear you will be caught in no choice land after the nominations when it will be a dem, maybe you don't like against the dufus. If Ms Williamson IS somehow the nominee though, she will have my vote.
I vote for the irrelevent because my vote has no relevence in NY State .
Like mine in the Great State of Texas?Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
well this is the price of living in a democracy and having a minority opinion. It sucks when your party doesn't get elected but take heart, your friends knew who to elect
Can't blame it on the Electoral College either! Bummer!
if roles were reversed ,the Dems would swear by the Electoral College . I swear by it anyway. What is intolerable is a tyranny of the majority .
I've been skeptical of EC for years, for I think the same reasons as you, the tyranny of the majority to play political games, and state party bosses rigging the system, but to be fair the founders probably were rigging the sytem since it's inception. They knew about the politics and didn't trust the ordinary citizen. The original house of reps was balanced (?) by the elite picked senate back then. Bet their heads would pop at the evolution of the system they put in place.
You're right though we holler foul when we lose. Thank God the EC only applies to the presidency, but even still it gives us a very unpopular president, with no real mandate, but then again Hillary would be in the same boat wouldn't she, with no congress behind her whatsoever though? No doubt she would be under impeachment with little hope of surviving her first year let alone accomplish anything useful. I still want Scottie to beam me up. Anyplace but Earth is more attractive to being subjected to the constant hollering of this prez, and I wonder how people with no hobbies survive.
Tell me, Tom, when have you been subject to the tyranny of the majority, Your electoral results would suggest that the results hang on a knife-edge with a few basis points separating them, unless it is that the majority decides to vote which appears to be rareQuote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Never ,the electoral college ,the bicameral legislative branch ,the separations of powers the guarantee of rights in the Constitution and the amendments ,and our federal system prevents a tyranny of the majority . That's why it is disturbing that people are buying into these ideas like scrapping the electoral college ,the Senate and even states in the interest of the "will of the people " .Quote:
Tell me, Tom, when have you been subject to the tyranny of the majority,
Small federal government is a great safeguard.
I've never heard of scraping the senate, or states and getting rid of EC requires a constitutional amendment so none of that is likely to happen any time soon so it's just talk at this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
I think it should be big enough to be efficient, but what protects minorities from the states? So what can a small government be a safeguard for?Quote:
Small federal government is a great safeguard..
At it's present size, it is running a deficit of hundreds of billions of dollars a year. So much for efficiency.Quote:
I think it should be big enough to be efficient,
The Constitution. It does not take a large fed government to enforce the Constitution. Besides, the issue of state sponsored discrimination against minorities is the least of their problems now. Wasn't true in the 60's, but it is true now.Quote:
but what protects minorities from the states?
Protection from the tyranny of elected and appointed officials who believe their job is to run our lives for us. Everything from gay marriage to Obamacare to ridiculous fed regulations to interference in education to seat belt regulations, and on and on it goes. I would much, much prefer they do much less.Quote:
So what can a small government be a safeguard for?
so you don't like the nanny state then, but you elected these people
admit it ;you want all the above .Quote:
I've never heard of scraping the senate, or states and getting rid of EC requires a constitutional amendment so none of that is likely to happen any time soon so it's just talk at this point.
Here is a Dem icon in the House proposing the elimination of the Senate . The Senate is the product of the Connecticut Compromise .It was diluted mightily by the 17th Amendment .
https://www.vox.com/2018/12/4/181255...abolish-senate
Here is a Compost Editorial 3 years ago proposing the elimination of states .
https://www.washingtonpost.com/
As you know many states are entering into a compact designed to make the EC irrelevant .
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation...rstate_Compact
Perhaps elected government is becoming irrelevant 150 years after government of the people, for the people, by the people should not perish, etc. but surely the concept of a house of review, a states house is somewhat irrelevant when the house of representatives can barely do their jobQuote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Given the challenges and no real groundswell of support to overcome those challenges I just write it off as just another idea, just as I do most of the loony right wing stuff that's out there. No telling what ideas pop up next from the left or right, but if they can't gain support and be implemented they are just talking points.
Let me know when it gets serious.
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