All of which is why we need a small, well-focused federal government. Big government is not our friend, it is our enemy.
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All of which is why we need a small, well-focused federal government. Big government is not our friend, it is our enemy.
Russia interfered in our election and the dufus has yet to do anything and seems to want Vlad to interfere again to get him re elected, while he obstructs any opposition from revealing the facts. How much more lying do you righty conservatives need before you wake up? Obviously you REFUSE to read the report and left with the lies the dufus and his sycophants feed you.
Obama was pres during the election, so anything the Russkies did is on him.Quote:
Russia interfered in our election and the dufus has yet to do anything
Did nothing is your spin, not based in fact but let's see what has the dufus done in his two years? NOTHING but blast and ignore his intel community and tell the world Vlad had noting to do with the cyber war onslaught, and work actively to hide his actions and obstruct any investigation. Repubs being his willing sycophants the whole time.
How do you ignore these FACTS? Why have you not read the report for yourself?
If he did anything, it was plainly not effective. He was in office for 8 years and that was plenty of time to identify and stop any Russian interference. Didn't do a very good job, did he?Quote:
Did nothing is your spin, not based in fact but let's see what has the dufus done in his two years?
According to (former) Saint Mueller, there was no coordination between the Trump campaign and the Russians.
Even if no evidence is apparent what is FACT is the dufus and his campaign actually did have contact with Russian operatives and lied about it, the dufus knew of Russian interference and knew he could benefit from the hacking of the dems, wanted to stifle any look into that interference, by blasting the intel community, firing investigators, and tell the American people Vlad said he didn't do it and all of that is detailed in the report you refuse to read. That makes all your talking points on the subject devoid of facts and credibility. You can help your case if we stick to present facts and not deal with your "talking points" from the loony right dufus regurgitating low information wing of the red meat guzzling crowd.
Can't read or something?
for the record I did read the report and it does not support your conclusions in any way. The only way you could take obstruction out of it is if you fantasize and rewrite the obstruction laws by equating a desire to interfere in the investigation, or wishing he could as actual proof that he did .That was Mueller's conundrum. He thinks that Trump wanted to obstruct .So any action Trump did gets filtered through his desire to do so .Mueller knows the argument is as nonsensical as the one Comey gave us that Evita did not intend to break the law,therefore a reasonable prosecutor should not charge her .
Facts but no evidence? What a strange system of justice you have.Quote:
Even if no evidence is apparent what is FACT
I believe Pontius Pilot posed the question “Quid est veritas?”'what is truth' .(John 18:38) Truth is obvious for those who don't anchor their beliefs in relativism .
btw the emperor did do something about Russia .He told them to 'knock it off" .
He also closed embassies and expelled diplomats, and imposed sanctions a month later. The dufus crew told Vlad no worries don't retaliate. Before the election Slick Mitch threatened to use any disclosure of the Russian hacking against the dems remember? They still warned the states and offered federal assistance to find if their election systems were compromised. Nearly half the country was and the dufus was warned about Russian outreach and what did he do about that warning? Ignored them completely.
That alone was enough to justify looking at him and his campaign MUCH closer. Anything less would have been a dereliction of duty, by any bodies measure except the loons. Of course it was a witch hunt and the dufus crew and Vlad certainly fall into that category.
well there you have it ;the preconceived outcome and the effort to invent facts to prove it . Trump made no secret to the fact that he thought there should be improved relations with Russia . There are too many areas of common interests for us to be nose to nose holding our arsenals in hand .
It is just a ridiculous proposition to claim the Russians had any impact on the election .Don't believe me ? Ask the emperor .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cruh2p_Wh_4
This is all you need to know about the whole thing :
IF you want to talk about colluding with the Russians then you need not look any further than the role of Fusion GPS with the Evita campaign . Let's start with the fact that former Brit intel officer Christopher Steele was hired by Fusion GPS after the Evita contracted with them ,though the law firm Perkins Coie ,and not while they briefly worked for some Republican candidates .Quote:
Lisa Page – He’s not ever going to become president, right? Right?!
Strzok - No. No he’s not. We’ll stop it.
Perkins Coie paid FusionGPS a total of $1,024,408 on behalf of Hillary Clinton for the bogus Steele dossier. The dossier was passed off to mainstream journalists as an authentic KGB document and used by the emperor's DOJ to secure FISA warrants against domestic opponents. The misinformation in the anti-Trump dossier came from Steele's contacts in the Kremlin . Fusion GPS was also working for the Russian's interests in attempting to reverse the Magnitsky Act. More on that belowFusion hired Nellie Ohr ;former CIA and wife of Bruce Ohr who was the emperor's Deputy AG .
In late May 2016 Nellie Ohr applied for a HAM radio license which would allow Nellie Ohr and Christopher Steele the ability to communicate outside the normal NSA electronic communication intercepts.Steele filed his first report - the infamous 'pee pee' memo June 20, 2016. Throughout July, August, and September 2016 Fusion GPS was paying journalists from the NY Slimes , ABC, NBC, Washington ComPost and others to listen to Christopher Steele who was shopping the dossier. (Court papers confirm payments. )Because the material was unverified, none of them cited the dossier or its source.Sometime around Thanksgiving 2016 Simpson met with Bruce Ohr while Trump was selecting his cabinet The two discussed the dossier, the FBI's Russia meddling investigation, and what Simpson considered the distressing development of Trump's victory. The bogus dossier had been in the hands of the FBI for some five months, and FISA surveillance had begun on Carter Page months earlier.
Fusion was hired to compile a dossier on Bill Browder ;a Brit banker who lobbied hard for the passage of the Magnitsky Act .Magnitsky ,an employee of Browder ,died in Russia under suspicious circumstance while investigating the loss of $350 million , Simpson ,working closely with Russian lawyerNatalia Veselnitskaya, complied an anti-Browder dossier .Fusion GPS was paid$523,651 for that effort ;through the Russian Katsyv family.
andNatalia Veselnitskaya ?
Well you remember her from the Trump Tower meeting .
Veselnitskaya was granted special immigration parole status by AG Loretta Lynch to represent Prevezon Holdings in an asset forfeiture agreement for $6 million with the U.S. government over a Russia money laundering suit on May 12, 2016. Veselnitskaya overstayed her immigration parole status to work for FusionGPS to illegally lobby for the repeal of Russian sanctions and the Magnitsky Act . Neither Veselnitskaya nor FusionGPS registered as Russian agents .Veselnitskaya was later charged in US 2nd district for obstruction related to this case .
So what you have is the very firm that was hired by Evita to compile an anti-Trump op research dossier on Trump ;and hired an ex Brit spook ,who used his Russian contacts to create the dossier ,was also working on behalf of the Russian government as an unregistered foreign agent to lobby for the repeal of sanctions against Russia. There is your Russian collusion in a nut shell.
Veselnitskaya was working out of the offices of Cozen O'Connor ;a law firm run by an anti-Trump former official of the emperor's regime, Howard Schweitzer,who's super pac donated heavily to Evita's campaign.Schweitzer lives in the same apartment building as James Comey’s friend Daniel Richman — who leaked classified information to the press on Comey’s behalf .
Glen Simpson dined withVeselnitskaya the day before and the day after the Trump Tower meeting . At the meeting was Rinat Akhmetshin ,a former Soviet military veteran with ties to Russian intel.He also was lobbying heavily for the repeal of the Magnistsky Act.
The Trump Tower meeting was set up as a sting to entrap Don Jr and Jared Kushner. They lured them with the fiction that they had "dirt" on Evita . They instead wanted to discuss the repeal of sanctions related to the Magnitsky Act. When Kushner and Don Jr learned of the true reason for the meeting ,they quickly ended it .
Trump EXPANDED sanctions against Russia as a result of the Russian tampering .
https://www.vox.com/world/2018/9/20/...mueller-caatsa
He signed into law the 'Countering America's Adversaries Through Sanctions Act'. The act provides For The Sanctioning Of Russia For Activities Such As Cyber Security, Corruption, Human Rights Abuse, Sanctions Evasion, And Arms Transfers To Syria.
and for it's invasion of Ukraine
https://www.usnews.com/news/politics...poisoning-case
He also authorized the sale of lethal wepons to Ukraine to combat the Russian invasion ;something the emperor opposed .
He ordered attacks on Russian interests in Syria ;attacks that killed hundreds of Russian troops .
Trump expelled 60 Russian diplomats following the poisoning of former KGB agent Sergei Skripal .
Trump sanctioned numerous Russian actors for violating non-proliferation laws by supporting weapons programs in Iran and Syria, and supporting North Korea's development of weapons of mass destruction.
As a part of its sanctions against Russia, the United States has prevented numerous companies from partnering with Russian offshore oil projects, denying these projects access to capital and key resources.
The Trump Administration has also opposed the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline, which could generate hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue for Russia.
The U.S. has increased troops and its military capability in Eastern Europe and dramatically increased training and drills with NATO .Due to pressure fromTrump ,NATO allies have increased defense expenditures by five percent.
There are many more examples of this proving that IF Putin thought he was going to get a patsy poodle in the White House by helping Trump win the election ;he was sorely mistaken .
Seems like a pretty good analysis. Thanks for the info.
So there is a huge plot by Russians, politicians, and law enforcement to set up the dufus that's been going on for many years and Mueller decided to join in. Is that what you're trying to sell me?
It was not the whole law enforcement establishment . It was a cabal of senior level FBI ,CIA ,national security leaders in the emperor's regime ,along with some international players who did not want Trump elected primarily for what he was saying about NATO .
Yes Mueller went along with it . He was a long time associate of fired FBI Director Comey . The truth is that Mueller should've recused himself for that reason alone. As it turns out ; Mueller had already agreed to accept the Special Council position BEFORE he had an interview with Trump as a candidate to replace Comey. Instead he went on the interview where he and Trump engaged in potentially all types of information related to the upcoming investigation without informing Trump that he was going to take the position of Special Investigator .Then he packed his staff with some of the very conspirators who led the coup attempt (let's call it what it was )
I have already documented examples in Mueller's history where he has knowingly had no qualms about going after innocent people .
That's a great one sided analogy, not entirely accurate though, but unfortunately for the dufus, his side is being revealed and its dirty as hell. LOL, HC's biggest mistake was not asking China for the dufus tax returns.
But you should have asked Assange, he could get them for you if you removed the trumped up charges against himQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
But it's just life. There is no right no wrong there's just life... life is life.Quote:
but unfortunately for the Don, his side is being revealed and its dirty as hell.
You keep bringing up "Dirty Don," as if he is suppose to be punished for being a scurvy Dog. He's the Don, he's untouchable. Don't bother yourself with all this Malarkey. A house divided will fall... get ready for it.
Maybe Vlad has them already. If Nancy would ask him nicely...or maybe he will take a plea deal, or a condo...or rat Vlad out...we know what happens when you rat Vlad out!Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Please don't use quotes when you change the words, that's just bad form. The dufus is not just life he is our prez and head of government, Presidents are not above the law.Quote:
Originally Posted by waltero
I don't think that was an actual quote, didn't have the, https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/custom...quote_icon.pngOriginally Posted by talanimanhttps://www.askmehelpdesk.com/custom...post-right.png. My apologies anyway.Quote:
Please don't use quotes when you change the words, that's just bad form.
Than treat him as such!Quote:
The dufus is not just life he is our prez and head of government
No; the elite are above the law.Quote:
Presidents are not above the law.
Walter, that philosophy only works when Tal is trying to explain his position on abortion.Quote:
But it's just life. There is no right no wrong there's just life... life is life.
So I should not express my grievance against MY government, using the same language MY president does? I disagree with the elites or the most elite are above the law.Quote:
Originally Posted by waltero
I explained my positions very well and it matters not whether you agree or don't. You have no trouble expressing your positions whether I agree or not do you?Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
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Originally Posted by talaniman
I agree you explained your positions very well, particularly Trump screeching his tweets for 3 years about Russia having no influence on the election. I especially liked you adding that his present love affair with Putin is to encourage Russia to interfere again in the 2020 election so that Trump will win again.
Only a brain-challenged idiot could believe that Russia did not interfere in the 2016 election. Maybe the interference was just enough to tip those critical areas necessary for Trump to win. Watch for even greater sophistication come 2020. Time for the US to ratchet up its cyber defenses.
all you have to do is listen to the words of ultra-liberal journalist Glen Greenwald.
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"How is it that our discourse has been drowned out for almost three years by a conspiracy theory or really a set of conspiracy theories as inflammatory and as dangerous as you can possibly get? That turned out to be totally untrue. Who started this conspiracy theory? How are the vast invasive powers of the FBI, NSA and CIA used to spy and infiltrate a campaign and spy on American citizens in the name of a conspiracy?"
"You want to talk about threats to democracy? How about spying on and listening in on the calls of American citizens by convincing a FISA Court that they are Russian agents, when then you unleash a prosecutor for 22 months who concludes that they aren't Russian agents, that there's no evidence to suggest that that was the case. That's the real scandal and that's where the investigation is now going to turn and that's why there's panicking about Bill Barr because they know that he is going to unflinchingly pursue that,"
So you are saying the intel community lied about the probable cause for surveillance on Carter Page 4 times? I don't know about you Tom, but taking the word of the dufus or any of his associates goes against common sense for anyone. Need I remind you of the words of King Reagan, "Trust, but verify"?
Who do you think he was referring too?
you don't ? You said the world's intel agencies lied about WMD in Iraq.
The comments I quote come from Glen Greenwald ;a journalist who has no love of Trump and is a lifetime progressive . He can't believe the compliant press fell for the steaming pile of manure that the Obots fed them.
The opinion of any journalist is subject to verification. I'll wait for the current process to play out.
Meanwhile, since you like progressive journalism
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opini...cid=spartanntp
He is already scheduled to testify to the House Judiciary ;and Linsey Graham indicated he would testify in the Senate too. I'm suprised you still take Trump's tweets as Gospel truth .
I never read them I heard they were full of lies.
Jerry Nadler wants to hold AG Barr in contempt for refusing to commit a felony releasing protected Grand Jury testimony; how dumb is that? Jerry come back to earth . It's the law ;a law CONGRESS passed . All you have to do is pass a law that makes disclosing Grand Jury testimony legal . But you like the grandstanding even though you suck at it . You think you can roll AG Barr ? Candice Owens ate your lunch .
It's not a felony if he and the house agree and get a judge to okay the release. I can't blame this administration for stalling and not getting the truth out there. Everybody knows the dufus is a lying cheating crook even repubs who are in on this con job. I'd stall too if the truth would cost me the election and a bunch of money. Or we start talking about the dufus and his foreign ties giving him money hand over fist without the approval of the congress.
Oh you didn't know what the big stall and distraction is all about? Obstruction is the least of his worries, as Slick Mitch and the repubs are shaking in their boots about losing the senate next fall. Go ahead, keep stalling, obstructing, distracting, lying and cheating while Prez dufus, strives to survive. Personally I would just call the bluff and start official impeachment proceedings.
that would be a perfect plan to get Trump reelected . I think the real strategy is to attempt to discredit Barr before he blows the spygate story wide open. When that happens the Dem propaganda machine will no longer control the narrative .
The Slimes already is breaking ,reporting thatmultiple overseas intelligence assets were deployed against members of the Trump campaign.
The story details how a honey pot was sent overseas under a fake name and occupation to be the operative . The woman’s real name is not mentioned in the article. The story says she went by “Azra Turk” and has a relationship with an unidentified federal intelligence agency.Running the operation was Stefan Halper .https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/02/u....co/oHqt5LAdVsGeorge Papadopoulos was Turk's mark .Papadopoulos claims she was CIA and not FBI.The slimes also admits that the aggressive and unprecedented action of deploying spies and luring American targets overseas to collect intelligence on a rival political campaign “yielded no fruitful information.” You can be assured that whatever was plumbed in her meetings with him was used to justify FISA warrants however .Barr was adamant that Mueller’s investigation be unimpeded and his report fully published.But he scared the anti-Trump forces in and out of government when he said spying on opposing political campaigns is inappropriate. His public vow to examine whether the widespread spying operation against Trump and his affiliates was lawful and appropriate has sent shock waves and those responsible are beginning their CYAs
Just wait until the Mifsud story drops.
Popodapolous and his wife have ben making the media rounds ginning up interest for that meme for a while now. Besides the Barr lies, I expect the Dufus finances to be the headlines for a while, since it is silly season, in addition to the slow moving court cases from the just say no responses to congressional dems, while his flunkies and sycophants circle the wagons. Repubs are terrified at what shoe will drop next. They desperately want this to go away before the details of the Mueller report become more wide spread.
700 former government lawyers are making a case for charges stemming from that report exposing another dufus lie... NO COLLUSION... NO OBSTRUCTION. Plenty of time for a bombshell to explode. The real question will be can Slick Mitch survive or will he be collateral damages if he keeps hollering CASE CLOSED, and it ain't! His hands are all over the Russian interference cover up since the beginning.
Seriously ? are the 700 saying Mueller lied ?Among the 700 are Democrats Senator Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn ) and Rep. Katheleen Rice (D-Mass.), a former prosecutor in the U.S. attorney's office in Philadelphia. Haven't studied all the names on the list . I'm guessing most of them came out of heavy Democrat district or local courts .
I bet Mueller doesn't testify unless he is compelled to do so .
The real investigation has to be about the origin /genesis of spygate . I am beginning to think the FBI played second fiddle to the CIA . Clearly what happened to Papadopoulos was a set up entrapment . Under old Church committee reforms this was never supposed to happen again. Forgetting Barr ,the FBI ,the IG ;I believe there needs to be an independent commission appointed by both Houses of Congress and the President to investigate this and it needs to be done immediately . The commission should be bi-partisan . Clearly there are reforms that need to be done. We are still fighting GWOT and there can not be a cloud of suspicion about our law enforcement and intelligence agencies (or for that matter the IRS or any other institution that can be weaponized against political opponents . )
Had any other President picked up the phone to discuss world events with the Russian leader no one would've even questioned that as appropriate . But Trump talks to Putin and you guys polish up your tin foil hats . This whole thing is impeding the President's ability to conduct foreign policy at a very dangerous time . NO American should be happy about that .
LOL, they are just 700 opinions speaking their minds but have no other standing in my book so who they are and the political affiliations don't matter much to me other than they are speaking out. Now we can wait for the IG report, and the soon to be released Intell committee report, and speculate in the meantime, but it's a lesson in the rule and process of law that will have no quick end, fascinating though it is.
If nothing else the dufus ain't dull for sure, but I think he is as crooked as they come, but that's just my opinion. We disagree how this started and about some of the events that came after, but I suspect that will be cleared up too. There are so many moving parts Tom, both foreign and domestic, any one of them can explode on us. Regardless I ain't having any sympathy for the liar in chief at this time.
If he can't pass his test, then he will be like Carter and a few others in history as far as I'm concerned. Looks like court is the next stop.
PS
I ain't buying the nothing to see here move along for one minute.
Amazing how Mueller was the elder son for the democrats until he finished his investigation and found that there was no collusion with the Russians. So, as it turns out, there was, indeed, "nothing to see here". Good luck with obstruction.
The party ought to heed the advice of Madame Mim if you ask me . But I think the crazies in the party will force the Dems to go the whole impeachment route .
Right now it is more like a show trial .That idiotic contempt vote being the latest example .If Barr actually did comply with their request to release the whole Mueller dossier unredacted then Barr would next be accused of breaking the law. He worked with Mueller carefully to redact only what was absolutely necessary .
So let me get this straight . Nadler says that Barr is breaking the law by refusing to break the law . Dem logic .The Dems MAY have a shot at getting a court waver on 6(e) (passed by Congress) IF there were formal impeachment proceedings then maybe a court order could be considered .This is not serious. It is the height of political desperation on full display.
No doubt the Dems will use today's decision of executive privilege as more proof of obstruction even though every President since Kennedy has invoked it (ie the emperor used itin order to withhold DOJ documents related to his gun running during Operation Fast and Furious ).Bubba made a regular habit of it .
Show me where it says there was no collusion. We've had the conversation before. He found no evidence of CONSPIRACY and said it was because nobody would cooperate. He did his job, good for him and that was expected. Unfortunately you righties don't want the congress to do theirs. So it's on. Good luck to you guys too, you may need it before it's over.Quote:
Amazing how Mueller was the elder son for the democrats until he finished his investigation and found that there was no collusion with the Russians. So, as it turns out, there was, indeed, "nothing to see here". Good luck with obstruction.
Dufus Jr refused to appear before the SENATE (REPUBS!) Intell committee after a subpoena was issued.
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/05/08/p...nce/index.html
The plot thickens.
Are the non-cooperating people the same ones the dems say demonstrate there was obstruction?Quote:
He found no evidence of CONSPIRACY and said it was because nobody would cooperate.
Don't get excited it's just the next step, between the two factions. Dems are in no hurry either, quiet as it's kept.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Doesn't appear to be, you'll have to read VolII of the report.Quote:
Are the non-cooperating people the same ones the dems say demonstrate there was obstruction?
Trump Jr testified for 9 hrs already ;and the Mueller dossier says he's too stupid to be a conspirator . They want to clarify about the Trump tower meeting /set up ;and the negotiations to build a Trump Tower in Moscow . Maybe they will parse his previous testimony . But it is clear that 1.the Trump Tower meeting was a sting as I previously detailed ;and 2. Trump and co, had no expectation of winning the election so they continued to conduct Trump family business. Only swamp critters have the luxury of being paid by the taxpayer to run for office
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