Would not common sense dictate to a nominee to urge their subordinates of this concern of the FBI? That is exactly why we are, where we are with the dufus being under investigations and the crooks around him going to jail. Maybe the dufus knew what his staff was doing and wanted plausible deniability because he is as sleazy as they are truth be told. Maybe they kept him informed of what they were doing, in his behalf, except Manafort, who was obviously a self enriching agent for Russia.

Yes the dufus's past behavior is enough evidence for me to say that with a lot of confidence.

Maybe... Maybe... Maybe.

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Trump capitulated today . Guessing that he did not want air traffic into Atlanta tied up this week .

He's going to do it again in 3 weeks.

May as well have Pelosi move into the White House .

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Well that would get here out of the House

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Well that would get here out of the House.

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Pick your poison.

I'm just an interested bystander, but my observations tell me the devil you know is better than the devil you don't know

Prez Nancy. Who better to clean up the mess the dufus has made? Impeach and replace has a nice ring as a campaign slogan.

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Might want to come up with some sort of crime before you start the impeachment process. Just saying.

Patience hoppergrass, let's finish getting the flunkies first. 6 so far. I can't believe you are not at least suspicious that with that many criminals in one group, maybe the head guy is a criminal too. If he ain't he is the biggest dufus in the world.

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Patience hoppergrass, let's finish getting the flunkies first. 6 so far. I can't believe you are not at least suspicious that with that many criminals in one group, maybe the head guy is a criminal too. If he ain't he is the biggest dufus in the world.

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What is the point of this circus?

all nailed on meaningless process crimes . This latest arrest should drive the nail in the coffin of the Trump Russia conspiracy theory. If Trump was in collusion with the Russians then why were they going to such lengths to find out what WikiLeaks had ? And since lying to Congress has become a crime so egregious that the perp needs to be raided by military armed FBI agents ;and then the perp is thrown into solitary confinement like what happened to Manafort ;then Evita ,Comey ,Strok ,and Clapper be forewarned . This is the new standard for how political opponents will be treated in the USA banana Republic .

Two questions:

1- Why was Stone arrested before dawn with 29 armed FBI agents and 17 vehicles and Manafort was allowed to show up on his own to be arrested?

2- How did CNN come to be there to film the arrest at 6am in the morning? Their explanation of "good journalism" is ridiculous.

great questions . Anyone who is not becoming alarmed at the growing trend of militarization of law enforcement should be. Manafort's apartment was stormed at 3AM while he and his wife were asleep. The FBI did a 'no knock raid ' ,picked his lock . They did show him the courtesy of knocking on the bedroom door before they barged in. I suspect that Mueller invited CNN this time because he was denied the media coverage when he arrested Manafort . Maybe he thought he was arresting El Chapo.

What's a process crime? How is that different from selling dope on the corner, or tax evasion, or ponzi scheming?

Process crimes are among others failure to appear, false statements, obstruction of justice, contempt of court and perjury.In this case they are pretextual ;charges made in the hope of using them as leverage against a defendant in the hope that the defendant turns and becomes a cooperating witness. They are also used to punish the defendant if they don't become said witness. It has been a useful tool for this thug Special Council.

That's sort of what I thought, as local cops do pretty much the same thing against ordinary folks that don't have the means or resources to defend themselves. Why is that different for the white collar rich crowd? Roger Stone or none of Mueller's targets are boy scouts and have a HISTORY of bad shady underhanded behavior. Lying to law endorsement, or congress is a big deal isn't it, and why would they lie?

We aren't talking wrist slapping look the other way crimes are we? So why do you object to KNOWN bad guys being arrested?

prove Stone did anything illegal besides the process crime . It does happen all the time to white collar defendents . Comey nailed Martha Stewart with the same Bs when he had no insider trading case against her . She went to jail for no reason except to advance his career.

Like the process crime is not bad enough. It's just getting started so why beat the drum for Stone... you know his history as well as I do.

I know he is a trickster . In politics that is not a crime . What the indictment does is charge him with an attempted cover up of a non-existant crime .

Even if Stone had actually obtained and shared hacked emails from WikiLeaks (as many news organizations eventually did), it would not have been a crime. Lying to a congressional committee about those noncriminal acts is another matter. I'm not defending him for that . Like I said if equal justice under the law is the criteria then I could recommend a conga line of people who openly and proudly lied to Congress and bragged about it afterwards . John Brennan comes immediately to mind.

He's charged with lying to congress, and other illegal activities, in failing to disclose his active role in trying to get access to what WikiLeaks was doing at the behest of someone(s) from the WH.

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That someone was Steve Bannon .

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A note on so-called “process crimes.” Imagine if people could lie to investigators, tamper with witnesses, and obstruct justice without penalty. The justice system would grind to a halt. Process crimes are still crimes. Shame on those who try to minimize their significance.

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Kind of like someone who tampers with evidence??

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Sure something to consider.

The only reason Abedin, Mills, Pagliano are not charged with process crimes is because Comey ; who should be indicted himself ;never bothered to investigate.

So say you.