I totally agree, tal. If the twitler sends as many processors as he is sending troops, we would begin to regain the world's respect.Quote:
sending soldiers instead of processors is how the dufus rolls
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I totally agree, tal. If the twitler sends as many processors as he is sending troops, we would begin to regain the world's respect.Quote:
sending soldiers instead of processors is how the dufus rolls
We would get to keep our own dignity and self respect above all by treating our fellow humans humanely as they exercised their rights under law to seek asylum. It's as simple as being a good human. I don't know a thing about what happens after death, but what we do while on this earth is the difference between heaven or hell right here on Earth.
Hello again, j:Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Simple??? I'm not so sure.
What about my friend Tio? Tio came across the border over 50 years ago.. It's only recently that we've demeaned people like Tio who crossed the border.. Actually, we used to LOVE them.. They picked our lettuce, washed our dishes and made our beds.. Johnny Carson even joked on the Tonight Show about his illegal nanny..
So, you tell me.. With the exception of the last few years, when a Mexican got to our border, they didn't see a DO NOT CROSS sign... They saw a HELP WANTED sign..
Did Tio rob us?
excon
Let them apply for asylum at the US embassy in their country . Processing takes months the way they are doing it . The people of the caravan may or may not have legit asylum claims .They may be victims in their country . But I am sure that they are victims of the organizers of the caravan .Shame on the organizers for convincing people to walk 2,000 miles . Once the election is over the organizers won't give a rat's @ss about the people of the caravan .Quote:
Grant them asylum and give 'em those jobs you say you need filled, I mean that Russian pregnant rich girl sure ain't going to work in a kitchen or wait tables. You only assume they will sneak in when the last batch stood in line for days waiting to get in legally. Sure some got tired of waiting, but sending soldiers instead of processors is how the dufus rolls and you go along with it.
Asylum is granted to foreigners who have been persecuted, or legitimately fear persecution, in their home country based on their race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion. Economic issues are not pertinent .Quote:
We would get to keep our own dignity and self respect above all by treating our fellow humans humanely as they exercised their rights under law to seek asylum.
They should've proved their legitimate claim for asylum BEFORE they began their trek .
When are you guys moving to Honduras or Guatemala to work at those really good jobs there?
So Tio is here illegally? If so, then he is breaking the law. Again, it's a simple concept. I suspect he has a green card.Quote:
Did Tio rob us?
We have, as your story perhaps illustrates, stood around for decades, dems and repubs, and done nothing while people have poured across our southern border illegally. Finally we have a president who is determined to enforce the law.
The law says they can present themselves at the border to apply for asylum. Not their fault you don't prepare to do that job and you have advanced notice they are on their way. That's incompetence. The dufus knows full well he can shift the blame from his incompetence to the immigrants by vilifying them for political gain, just as he used the dreamers for political leverage.
The Dufus's campaign strategy during this silly season is the southern strategy and Willie Horton on steroids, feeding fear and insecurity to his base with his lies and exaggerations.
You will have to enlarge your teacup else the storm overtake you. You have borders, you have check points, you have border guards, what you don't have is effective policy. Your foreign policy has created many of these situations, but you don't take responsibility for the aftermath. Your paranoid behaviour must stop, that is the only way the flood will stop
This is the problem!
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We also don't have enough immigration agents, and maybe not enough WELL-TRAINED agents.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Great rip
America is and has faced many skilled labor short falls in the social services area, mostly budgetary, especially on state levels. A growing aging country has more challenges, not less, that have to be faced and not ignored. The dufus would rather exaggerate military spending than address the needs of the country though as he subjects his austerity on essential areas of the economy and neglects the very real needs of a nation.
So listen to him holler about immigration to bolster his base during this silly season cycle, while the rest of us bear his debts for his trickle down theories of wealth extraction, and old people and kids go without care, and young people still work 2 low paying jobs for groceries in this great economy. Doesn't anyone care about teachers waiting tables to pay the rent and fund crayons for kindergarteners? We know the dufus and his sycophants do not.
Hello again,
Trump said if the children throw rocks, SHOOT 'em.
"I hope there won't be that, but I will tell you this — anybody throwing rocks ... we will consider that a firearm, because there's not much difference,"
https://www.businessinsider.com/trum...aravan-2018-11
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I would agree that he made a really foolish statement.Quote:
"I hope there won't be that, but I will tell you this — anybody throwing rocks ... we will consider that a firearm, because there's not much difference,"
tal we need more laborers across the board . The only question is do we believe in the rule of law or not ? Short of open borders I'm open to just about any policy that would legally bring in people who want to embrace the American way ;and is willing to work .
Agree completely.Quote:
The only question is do we believe in the rule of law or not ?
No to open borders, but we need more WELL-TRAINED border agents at more locations along the southern border. We will also need sponsors (hello, churches/synagogues/mosques) who will take the immigrants under their wing until they have gotten settled with a place to live, a job, connections to the community, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
ah the good old days of Boss Tweed . Maybe bring back an expanded version of the Bracero program. ok but short of open borders (which I believe is the only solution progressives find suitable ) and more processing agents at the border ,and domestic sponsors ;who would you restrict ? Is there any number that you would say no more ? Would you be in favor of outlawing sanctuary towns ,cities ,states ?
We also need to have a discussion on what to do with the millions of illegal aliens already in the country . The international rules are very clear on who is eligible for asylum ,and most of the emigrants that come here have economic reasons that do NOT fall under asylum guidelines . You see ;this lawless invasion have left us in a bind in that we are over 200,000 behind in processing those who claim asylum. I don't see how we can have an orderly process to this without border barriers . We've tried it the other way and it doesn't work.
Tom, you live in poverty and have no hope for the future. Walk from Honduras to the Arizona border and end up staring at a wall, then let me know how you feel.
Tom, you're a gang member and murderer. Would you really walk from Honduras to the Arizona border? For what???
Me I would'n't be stupid enough to do it unless I had guarantees of admission . Even then I would go to the American embassy in Honduras and make my claim and file my application there ....many fewer miles to walk. I want to hear their asylum case because I don't believe they have one . Poverty is not criteria for granting asylum. They are not being persecuted . Why weren't they walking to America before a conservative was elected President of Honduras . I have already traced the funding for you so you know that these poor folks are being used
Yes, Honduras is such a lovely place to live! (But the way mass murders have been increasing in number in this country, Honduras might be the place to move to.)
"Crime in Honduras concerns how in recent years Honduras has experienced very high levels of violence and criminality.[1] Homicide violence reached a peak in 2012 with an average of 20 homicides a day.[2] Cities such as San Pedro Sula and the Tegucigalpa have registered homicide rates among the highest in the world. The violence is associated with drug trafficking as Honduras is often a transit point, and with a number of urban gangs, mainly the MS-13 and the 18th Street gang." (Wikipedia)
The mistake immigration hardliners make is that progressives are for open borders. That's not true, and personally I was originally against a fence years ago, but that ship has sailed. We have a fence. We also have the ability to process more people humanely and orderly if not for the lack of will to do so, opting instead for military? That's ridiculous. You need workers? Simple, let the ones who need them process and provide so they can work. Employer responsibility, why NOT.
I see no reason where sanctuary cities and feds should be adversaries, again just supply a humane process for these helpless people. If you don't know how to count heads and manage the work force, you're in the wrong business anyway an should be replaced by someone who can do the job. I mean think about it a minute, using strongarm police state tactics is totally unnecessary, and that's really the problem in that a climate of fear and intimidation creates those scared desperate counter tactics which make the problem worse not better.
The solution is really simple, get rid of those macho conservative men and replace all of them with smart efficient females who know how to deal with desperate afraid helpless men women and children and FAMILIES! This is a Christian nation so how about proving it! Forget what the dufus is doing... @JL... what would Jesus do... show me!
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Crime in Honduras concerns how in recent years Honduras has experienced very high levels of violence and criminality.[1]Homicide violence reached a peak in 2012 with an average of 20 homicides a day.[2] Cities such as San Pedro Sula and the Tegucigalpa have registered homicide rates among the highest in the world. The violence is associated with drug trafficking as Honduras is often a transit point, and with a number of urban gangs, mainly the MS-13 and the 18th Street gang." (Wikipedia)
When are you going to flee Chi-town and make refugee claims with Canada ?
Oh, my! I think I love you!!!!! Jesus does too!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Since, so far as I can tell, you don't accept what Jesus said to begin with, why would it interest you to know what Jesus would have done?Quote:
The solution is really simple, get rid of those macho conservative men and replace all of them with smart efficient females who know how to deal with desperate afraid helpless men women and children and FAMILIES! This is a Christian nation so how about proving it! Forget what the dufus is doing... @JL... what would Jesus do... show me!
Wow!!!! WWJS!!!! Oh, He did, Matthew 7:1 (NIV): "Do not judge, or you too will be judged."Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Yes, He said that. So are you judging me?
Wondergirl, I don't like playing games. This is all too serious for that. If we are going to believe what Jesus said, then we have to take all of it. As far as I can tell, most of the posters here do not believe that Jesus is going to judge people at the end of this age despite the fact that He very plainly said He would. On the basis of that I asked Tal a question, and you say I am judging. But if asking a question is judging, then your post is judging, and you are guilty of what you seem to be accusing me of doing. Asking questions and quoting Jesus does not amount to judging.
JL: "so far as I can tell, you don't accept what Jesus said to begin with"Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Since you didn't answer, I'll ask again. Are you judging me?
If I misread Tal, he will let me know. That's why I stated, "so far as I can tell". If you had posted the entire sentence, you might have noted the question mark at the end. It seems a little shady to me to post only a part of what was plainly a question.
Wondergirl, since you are following Christ, then you have, as do I, a responsibility to tell people the truth, even if it disagrees with the culture, our politics, our comfort, or whatever. I do not want to stand before Christ someday and find that I fudged on the truth.
I only say that to let you know where I come from on this. I never wish to hurt anyone's feelings or come across as rude, but more than that, I want to be honest and relay the truth of God as best I can.
No.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
There were two complete sentences connected by a conjunction. The first independent sentence was a judgment.Quote:
If I misread Tal, he will let me know. That's why I stated, "so far as I can tell". If you had posted the entire sentence, you might have noted the question mark at the end. It seems a little shady to me to post only a part of what was plainly a question.
You are proving the Bible is true by quoting from the Bible. Is that the way to do it?Quote:
Wondergirl, since you are following Christ, then you have, as do I, a responsibility to tell people the truth, even if it disagrees with the culture, our politics, our comfort, or whatever. I do not want to stand before Christ someday and find that I fudged on the truth.
You're splitting hairs. Either you judge me as being judgmental or you don't. Which one is it?Quote:
The first independent sentence was a judgment.
It was not two sentences. It was two independent clauses joined by a conjunction which made one sentence. As a former librarian I have to believe you already know that.
We are not talking about the Bible being true right now. We are talking about believing the words of Christ.Quote:
You are proving the Bible is true by quoting from the Bible. Is that the way to do it?
Just want to add to my data base, and your view is valued and important to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
I'm a former teacher and am a freelance editor. An independent clause is a complete sentence with a subject and verb. I was focusing on the first independent clause in your compound sentence.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
I appreciate that comment. You know I value our discussions. As to what Jesus said, I don't think that He ever commented on a situation like exists with the crowd of people heading north in Mexico. Of course it goes practically without saying that we are to love people. I'm not sure how loving it is to assist them in getting to the border only to say, "You cannot cross without breaking the law, so we are turning you away." Now if a church or an individual wants to assist a legal immigrant, then that is a great thing to do. I just don't see an endorsement for Jesus for our government to ignore our laws and let people in at any time. How we are to explain that to those who are going through the legal process is a mystery to me.Quote:
Just want to add to my data base, and your view is valued and important to me.
There is a LEGAL process for asylum. Is it their fault WE cannot apply it? I'm sure between Mexico and the US, food and shelter for weary travelers would be the thing Jesus would approve of as the process worked. Seems as many times as it's happened in the past we would just know what's needed, especially given EVERYBODY knew they were coming.
I'm more interested in what Jesus would want me to do . And that is my call and my consequences . I'm called to do greater works than he did . But I don't know how that is possible .I pray I do the right things .
You and me both.Quote:
I'm more interested in what Jesus would want me to do . And that is my call and my consequences . I'm called to do greater works than he did . But I don't know how that is possible .I pray I do the right things .
That's what our problem is. Everyone expects the government to take care of things. That would be the same government that is more than 22 trillion dollars in debt. If people feel that strongly about it, then they need to take their own funds and go help out.Quote:
I'm sure between Mexico and the US, food and shelter for weary travelers would be the thing Jesus would approve of as the process worked.
It is obvious your government has no funds to deal with this issue, having wasted its funds in various ways. A government that cannot balance its budget doesn't need more mouths to feed, cloth, house and help. A dose of reality has dissended upon youQuote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
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