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ANd actually that is spot on correct... same with Europe and Asia...Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
None of them evolved from apes there or were dropped off by some mothership like that idiot Louis Farakhan likes to believe.
Prevailing Scientific theory has it that EVERYONE is from Africa originally. Including everyone in Suriname....they ALL originated someplace else.
And every Nation on earth has the RIGHT to control their borders and dictate who can and can not enter. And how.
Since this was disputed as actually happening earlier... Germans being evicted to give housing to Illegals.
https://www.rt.com/news/316568-germa...tion-refugees/
I know for a fact entire NEW apartment complexes are being built to house illegals in Italy with NO wait, while Italian citizens wait for decades to move into appartments nearly 70 years old or anything better. Because I have seen them myself. And have enough friends and family that work inside the Justice System there that backs it up.
Obductees! They came involuntarily.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Do you mean that the native Americans came from Asia in the Iceage? I wouldn't call that immigrating, chasing mammoths over a continent. You are only an immigrant if there are already people living in a country, but if you are the first one there, you're the native population.
Otherwise, everybody except for the people in Africa is an immigrant, because homo sapiens originates from Africa.
And the "American Indians" were not the first there... they have fossilized proof ( in the last few years) the people here earlier were pushed out and killed off by the newcomers... as they shared NO genetic DNA with the current American Indians (or any further south). They were here hundreds or thousands of years earlier than the oldest dated fossilized "native Americans" .
What about the Tigris-Euphrates area, the Fertile Triangle? Isn't there a belief that there was a native population there, too? (And I'm not talking about the Garden of Eden. I mean archeological evidence.)
The Oldest (known) recorded civilization was from there. But that is long after the oldest dated humanoid fossilsQuote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
The Sumarians, or before that?
When and where did our species originate? - Australian MuseumQuote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
This article was only published five days ago. Modern men really seems to have their origin in Africa.
Thanks, misspurple. That's a very interesting article. Don't you wish we could do time travel back to that period? Hmmmm, maybe I'll write a novel or, more likely, a short story with "Out of Africa" as a theme.
O yes, I love movies like 10.000 BC, prehistoric times are really fascinating!Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
If we time travel, let's be sure to take a bagful of antibiotics, aspirin, bandaids, soap, etc.!Quote:
Originally Posted by misspurple77
I would like to travel in some sort of dino cage, like in Jurasssic World. A hamster ball, but made of steel of course, not like in Jurassic World, because those don't exist yet, so that we can roll around in between the scary sabre tooth tigers, mammoths etc. If people feed sharks they are also in a cage. Those days were really dangerous!Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
And if you haven't seen Jurassic World yet, that movie is really a must see:-D!
We can also bring walkie talkies, we don't need a network for them to work!
Will that make us refugees or immigrants (thinking about the question that started this thread) -- or guests or explorers? Or maybe just time travelers....
Tourists! Guests or explorers, I have no intention of staying there!Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
But if we only travel back in time, and not to another place, we are only timetravelers;-).
Maybe like Claire in Diana Gabaldon's (time-travel) Outlander series, you'll fall in love with a guy from long ago. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by misspurple77
I don't know that series.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
But I can't imagine falling in love with a guy so deeply, that I would want to give things like hot showers, sunscreen, birth control, wifi, IMAX, chocolate, sushi, microwaves, TV shows such as The Walking Dead, Game of Thrones, Vikings and Supernatural up for him.
We have a TV series here, "Grenzeloos verliefd" In Love without borders, in which mostly Dutch women, move to the most outrageous places for love. One woman moved to Uganda. Another to the pampa's of Argentina, to live without water and electricity in the middle of nowhere, one even to Suriname, to move in with her in laws, while her Surinamese boyfriend was gone all week, to work in the gold mines in the inlands.
I haven't seen much episodes, but most stories don't end happy, and I am always looking at that show full of disbelief, how can these women do that to themselves!
Leaving their houses with running water and electrity to move somewhere without them or with a lot less privacy!
Those women are immigrants, but definitely not economic refugees, because they had better lifes here!
You are very niaive, have you ever lived without running water or in a alternative life style?
I have camped sometimes and I hated it. I don't like missing the modern utilities, you can call me spoiled, but that doesn't make me naïve.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
I lived in Suriname for four years. We didn't had warm water, I hated it. A lot of people didn't had running water at all, I hated going over to their houses. Electricity often fell out, I really didn't like that.
So if I miss it for just a short time, I don't want to spend my life without it.
Just because you may have a different opinion on this, doesn't mean that I am naïve.
Almost all relationships on that TV show ended badly, because the differences were too big. I know myself good enough to not even put myself in that position. Having self knowledge is the exact opposite of naivety.
I wouldn't say she's naive. I spent my honeymoon camping in a musty pup tent, no showers, and eating canned beef stew. At least we didn't have to eat the bugs that swarmed around us. Toilet facilities were behind a bush or in a porta-potty. I was 21 and thought of it as an adventure until the second week.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Have you ever lived in an alternative situation or "roughed it," paraclete?
A lot of relationships that I know of, ended because one of the two wanted to live in Suriname and the other didn't. That is just reality, it has nothing to do with naivety.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
I don't want to live there. My exboyfriend thought that he could persuade me to move there, but he was wrong. I am rather single in The Netherlands than there with him.
When I lived there, I also really missed good television, but fortunately, there are possibilities for better television now, than there were, twenty years ago when I lived there.
I have living relatives that spent almost half their lives without indoor plumbing (they had on old hand pump that required priming every time it was used, and yes its still there and it still works) or an indoor bathroom. Yes they were that poor. And yes that was IN the USA. Research Appalachia.
No they didn't have TV... or a phone either, they didn't even have a car and there wasn't public transportation either.
One of the two NC churches my minister dad served (1949-1955) was in the hills. The people lived in shacks, had outhouses, no running water, and a still or two back in the woods. And they were generous to a fault! My dad often came home with apples, berries, and even a live chicken that my Idaho-farm-girl mom killed for Sunday dinner.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
And the situation with my relatives while I don't remember an exact year... was at least past 1970. I think the last one actually got their first indoor bathroom around 1980. I do remember when that happened. The original house mentioned burned down in the 60's... and was rebuilt with a smaller one... which to this day still doesn't have plumbing or a bathroom... and that old cast iron hand pump is still on the porch outside the kitchen where it always was for at least the last 90+ years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Still in the family...(cousin owns it now) but its just a weekend place these days.
Just for the record I was brought up in a house with an outdoor privy and at one stage a chip heater for hot bath water. We were also known to kill our own poultry and grow our own veg. I pioneered a property with a 2kva generator and no running water. This means I can understand how difficult it can be, however please remember that the migrants in Europe have placed themselves in the position of having no shelter, etc. Some people don't know they are alive until they get out of their comfort zone.
You guy had it so hard, but nothing like bombs bursting in air. Comfort zone indeed!
LOL, migrating to a new land was just fine for euros running from whatever but when others run from their land for whatever they are cowards and terrorists. Why didn't your ancestors stay and fight for their freedoms and rights in their native land? They had no problem fighting for the adopted one.
I find it both humorous and hypocritical one immigrant calling another illegal (among other names) because he came first. In truth this latest mass migration is no different than past migrations of humans.
Just louder by entitled snobs who forget where they came from.
I totally agree with you. But that doesn't make it naïve of me that I don't want to live in prehistoric times for a guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
I really believe that the opposite is true, all those women that leave their luxury lifes for love and realise later on that they are not happy in the middle of nowhere without running water, elektricity or privacy.
I live in my own apartment for 13 years now. I still often have nightmares that I suddenly live in a dorm again or back with my parents. I am really too attached to my own place with my own kitchen and bathroom, that I really don't want to give that up to live like a hunter/gatherer in prehistoric times.
If they were ONLY concerned about their own skin... why did they not stop at the dozen other Muslim countries just outside the border of Syria. Why does it HAVE to be Europe or nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Fact is it doesn't. Syria doesn't even border Europe...and certainly NOT Germany not by a long shot.
I totally agree! That is exactly what I am trying to say all along!Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
OK we agree.. Send them ALL to the Netherlands. Let the Dutch pay for everything. The rest of Europe doesn't want them... and the rest of the world doesn't either. Catch any on my property swiping anything or syphoning fuel out of my vehicles and they are getting shot to death on the spot. And so will most people around here. Make them wish they stayed in their own country.
I don't want them near me...and as long as any of MY hard earned money (I.E. tax dollars) is being wasted on even one of them I have the right to raise holy he11 about it.
I bet there are honest good hard working people that have been LEGALLY trying to immigrate for years being told sorry but you can't while illegals get in, get free housing, food and welfare with ZERO wait. No outrage about the people who followed the law and got screwed.
Tal let me put it to you this way, my ancestors fought for their freedom until they saw an opportunity on the other side of the world, unless you are native or african american your ancstors might have a similar tale but they came here legally generations ago. I don't object to migration what I object to is those who think they can just walk in and be looked after without contibuting anything or even seeking a visa. This not the dark ages. The syrians in Europe are similar, just deciding to walk in without any formalities. Complete arrogance. The europeans did not make war in Syria, they have no obligation to take them and one day they will wish they hadn't, just as France does. What I don't understand is the ethnic germans had serious problems with a semetic population some time ago and yet they are inviting another semetic people into thie country, it can only end badly.
Assard is a bad dude but he is no different to those who oppose him with violence, Saddam was bad but look at what replaced him. The problems that existed in that part of the wprld are migrating with them
The guy is named ASSAD!! Not Assard.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Most refugees don't simply walk into Europe. They apply for a visa. They don't want to be here illegal and most of they do want a job.
In The Netherlands welfare is enough to live off, but it isn't a nice life. I wouldn't want to live off welfare, then you are really poor. I am on disability now, but that is only temporarily, until I am healthy enough to work again. Disability is 70% of what your salary was, with a maximum of € 3000,- a month. For me 70 % of my salary is fortunately a lot more than welfare is.
Some people that are outside of The Netherlands think, what, welfare, € 700,- a month for a single person and € 1000,- for a couple! That is so much money. But life is expensive here, so people that actually live of welfare, are complaining about it.
It isn't that easy to get welfare either. You are obligated to look for a job. They check your job applications and they can stop your welfare if you aren't doing enough. They can also mandate you to work for it: sweep the streets, work as a receptionist at a public office, check the tickets of people that travel with public transportation etc. Years ago people took advantage of welfare, so the rules got stricter. And so they should!! Welfare is meant as an emergency solution, for people that really can't find a job. No one is entitled to it.
The Dutch government really doesn't hand out money for free just like that!
I don't ever want to end up on welfare either, because of all the control. You are not allowed to live together then, totally justified, but it results in checkers doing random visits to your home and checking things like the toothbrushes, your underwear etc.
There was a case on the news of a woman on welfare, that had a boyfriend and got breastcancer. So because of the treatment he spend a few night at her place, to take care of her. It turns out you aren't allowed to have houseguest for more than three nights in a week. So she lost her welfare over that!
So really, the things that people think about welfare and the way that it is actually being executed, make a huge difference.
I don't want my tax euro's to go to people that are too lazy to work either!
You expect people in a war torn land to formally apply for a visa??
If they can travel half way across the planet... then YES... they had better damn well do the paperwork first.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Otherwise go to a neighboring country like all the others do.
I think it is actually arsehole but any way they spell it he isn't PC and nor am I. I spell a certain name Mudhutmad and I hope that offends youQuote:
Originally Posted by misspurple77
Trust the europeans to complicate any process particurly welfare but you wouldn't survive here on E700 a month either so most welfare types have more than one to a house particurly asylum seekers and refugees who are given more than the average welfare recipient
Tal I expect anyone to respect the law. In europe these people are required to register in the country of first arrival and they refuse to do so. I saw how they respected the Hungarian border and the mess they made of various places, like it is too much trouble to find a rubbish bin but you can't expect anything from a peope who throw their rubbish in the streetQuote:
You expect people in a war torn land to formally apply for a visa??
Nahhh most of them are Syrians escaping Assad's atrocities .Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/06/op...ians.html?_r=0
Of course now the Russians are there with cluster bombs and indiscriminant bombing from the sky to lend a new level of horror to the people. Ironically Vladdy the conquerer claims that the Russian actions will relieve the refuge crisis.
The refugees aren't exactly starving. They refuse the food and water donations handed out by the Red Cross because to the refugees the Red Cross insignia indicates it is a Christian organization, which it is not.
Well if they have their way they will take over Europe and eliminate the Christians as they tried for centuries to do. By taking these people in Europe is dumbing down and they will go into cultural decline
Tom what atrocities are they escaping from in Turkey? Yes it certainly looked like Russians were using cluster bombs of course they could have just being civilians running. Russia knows how to subdue muslim populations they have long experience. If all those young men in Europe cared about their country they would be fighting there, not running away. Surely a few hundred thousand would make a big difference. Tell me this, if you had this going on in the US would you be migrating to Europe or fighting?
This is a flat out lie!Quote:
Originally Posted by tickle
Yep: Debunking: we spoke to the guy who shot the video purportedly showing migrants refusing Red Cross aid - Il PostQuote:
Originally Posted by misspurple77
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