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  • Aug 12, 2015, 09:36 PM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    You and I might have similar backgrounds, I grew up in the coalfields of New South Wales and worked in the steel industry in my youth. We were poor, lived in public housing but fortunately my father had a job so eventually I was able to move away. In those days opportunity was everywhere, I'm talking 50-60 years ago. I would not have the education I do if I hadn't done it for myself and that led to opportunities. And yes I remember six months in Scotland well, working in a bar for low wages and drinks, not being a citizen sucks.

    So all this should allow us the emphaise with the poor but in reality it doesn't. We know what lessons must be learned and applied, something that eludes many today


    The reason we don't have empathy... is because we know why most of them remain in the situation they are in... same reason people stay in abusive relationships every day... its familiar and they know it... and making the step into the unknown and the uncertainty that goes with it to try for something better... is something they would rather avoid. I for one don't have empathy for someone that complains about their situation...but refuses to take the steps to improve it. Or even try.

    I could probably be doing a lot better than I am right now....but I haven't taken the steps or the risk to try for more....because I'm comfortable where I am now....which is well above a lot of people....and probably actually below a least a few that might be reading this....

    So should I blame anyone for that? Nope....because I am an adult...and my life is a result of the choices I have made over those years...good or bad. As is everyone else's.
  • Aug 13, 2015, 02:15 AM
    talaniman
    That's all great, and everyone has a story of learning, and while some take longer than others, more people than you think move on to do better, and actually very few stay long term in the rut of poverty. You know for yourself it may take many YEARS to learn, and correct mistakes, and find better ways of doing things, and you also know some mistakes are well beyond your control, like a layoff, or downsizing, or losing a job after 20 years, a few kids, and a mortgage, or even as you say, a divorce, or failed relationship.

    Those are huge life changing events to go through. Has nothing to do with being stupid at all, but limited would be a kinder more accurate term.
  • Aug 13, 2015, 06:34 AM
    excon
    Hello again,

    The Oath Keepers showed up in Ferguson.. They're heavily armed, right wing white guys, in camo. The cops didn't raise an eyebrow.

    How do you think the cops would have reacted if heavily armed Black Panthers showed up???

    Really... You can tell me.. I WON'T be surprised.

    excon
  • Aug 13, 2015, 07:59 AM
    tomder55
    depends ,are they there to help restore order or to be part of the anarchy ?
  • Aug 13, 2015, 08:02 AM
    smoothy
    Oathkeeprs aren't the ones assaulting cops. Rioting, Looting or burning buildings. HUGE difference.
  • Aug 13, 2015, 08:13 AM
    excon
    Hello reality deniers:

    If armed black men showed up in Ferguson, the SECOND the cops saw their guns, a battle would ensue..

    What??? You believe the cops will walk up to them POLITELY to ask them why they're there??? DUDE!!!

    excon
  • Aug 13, 2015, 08:56 AM
    smoothy
    The Black Panthers unlike the Oath Keepers have a long history of criminal activity... not the least is Voter intimidation at the polls in Philadelphia... which was recorded on video.


    The only reason they haven't had charges filed on them for that YET was A Black Attorney general was breaking the law and covering their behinds..

    Besides...comparing Oath Keepers to the Black Panthers is apples to oranges...the White Equivalent of the Black Panthers is the Ku Klux Klan....and you could bet if they showed up armed the cops would say something.
  • Aug 13, 2015, 11:30 AM
    Misshome
    Black Panther has been following me ever since I Poke in to their bushes...
    Now she lives at the same Motel and took over this Public Libraries Central Hub. Printing DATA for Indian RAW Agent " Viker"...
    You be careful. She dirvies around the City, Wealthy area and she will Steal their Mail from the Mail BOX then reprint them to Colon their Financial History.. Be very very careful around them. I am very nervous. She even use a Phone carrier name " ORANGE and Red Pocket" I am unheard of them..



    Quote:

    Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    The Black Panthers unlike the Oath Keepers have a long history of criminal activity... not the least is Voter intimidation at the polls in Philadelphia... which was recorded on video.


    The only reason they haven't had charges filed on them for that YET was A Black Attorney general was breaking the law and covering their behinds..

    Besides...comparing Oath Keepers to the Black Panthers is apples to oranges...the White Equivalent of the Black Panthers is the Ku Klux Klan....and you could bet if they showed up armed the cops would say something.

    Black Panther is a RING from Baltimore and Prince George County, MD..
    They drives around the wealthy area of the town , steal their Mails from the mail box, use their telephone lines to impostor them.. to COLON their financial history.
    They work for Indian Raw Agent " Viker".. Who has many recurit from
    NJ, specially heavily democratic Meyor.. city and Iranian Business Man..
    They are the Knights of all IRANIAN Business Man.. Be wear near website "Zappos" inc, Zulily Inc.. Those are the sites they Charge their victim Caredit cards.
  • Aug 13, 2015, 11:34 AM
    excon
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    The Black Panthers unlike the Oath Keepers have a long history of criminal activity...

    Hello again, smoothy:

    Don't get distracted by the name Black Panthers.. Just pretend that some well armed black folk with NO identification, showed up in Ferguson. Would the cops welcome them like the Oath Keepers, or would they GUN THEM DOWN???

    excon
  • Aug 13, 2015, 11:49 AM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, smoothy:

    Don't get distracted by the name Black Panthers.. Just pretend that some well armed black folk with NO identification, showed up in Ferguson. Would the cops welcome them like the Oath Keepers, or would they GUN THEM DOWN???

    excon

    You can bet the Oath Keepers had identification on them... and none of them have a criminal or mental health history preventing them from having firearms.

    Also... when exactly were the last white riots in the USA... and where? Don't remember seeing them on the news, reading it in the paper, or hearing it on the radio.
  • Aug 13, 2015, 01:42 PM
    excon
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    You can bet the Oath Keepers had identification on them... and none of them have a criminal or mental health history preventing them from having firearms. Also... when exactly were the last white riots in the USA... and where? Don't remember seeing them on the news, reading it in the paper, or hearing it on the radio.

    Hello again, smoothy:

    So, if the black guys had ID's, the cops would let 'em strut around town with their AR-15's slung over their shoulder??? What planet do you live on?

    But, I agree with your conclusion.. You and the cops believe that armed whites show up at demonstrations to keep the peace.. But, armed black people show up, because, you know, THEY start riots - so they should be gunned down on site.

    excon
  • Aug 13, 2015, 02:35 PM
    talaniman
    So its not like you guys are racist, just white lives matter more than black lives... I get that. Just curious if we are still on the 3/5ths standard, or the one drop makes you black, standard.

    Let me know if I am putting words in your mouth, or twisting them around, we wouldn't want to mistake you for racists by the words you speak, or write. I honestly didn't know a white guy can go across state lines, and openly carry his weapon wherever he goes... no questions asked.
  • Aug 13, 2015, 02:57 PM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, smoothy:

    So, if the black guys had ID's, the cops would let 'em strut around town with their AR-15's slung over their shoulder??? What planet do you live on?

    But, I agree with your conclusion.. You and the cops believe that armed whites show up at demonstrations to keep the peace.. But, armed black people show up, because, you know, THEY start riots - so they should be gunned down on site.

    excon

    Didn't see any whites rioting in Baltimore or Ferguson... In fact I haven't seen any news footage of whites rioting in the USA ever. Can't believe the same media that buries news stories about unarmed WHITE people being shot by police and pushing news stories defending black criminals being shot while assaulting cops is responsible.

    THe need to take away Welfare benefits in any city that experiences rioting such as this... 99% of the rioters are on welfare and don't work. Otherwise they would have more respect for private property and not have time to pull these stunts...

    And if it was white or hispanic welfare recipients doing it... I'd be saying the same thing. But its always the same group doing the same things...

    You as well as many should know... if there is a particular crime being committed with a certain MO... the Law enforcement authorities are going to look for people with a history of committing that type of offense first. Doesn't matter WHAT the crime is... that's a universal approach because most of the time it is someone who has done it before. White collar embezzlement... arson at black churches... riots in black communities... looting... car jacking every type of crime has a certain group that's usually associated with it most of the time.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    That's all great, and everyone has a story of learning, and while some take longer than others, more people than you think move on to do better, and actually very few stay long term in the rut of poverty. You know for yourself it may take many YEARS to learn, and correct mistakes, and find better ways of doing things, and you also know some mistakes are well beyond your control, like a layoff, or downsizing, or losing a job after 20 years, a few kids, and a mortgage, or even as you say, a divorce, or failed relationship.

    Those are huge life changing events to go through. Has nothing to do with being stupid at all, but limited would be a kinder more accurate term.

    Oh some people really are stupid... some are just stubborn... others are just lazy.

    The truly stupid people can't help themselves... the rest can... but don't.
  • Aug 13, 2015, 03:27 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    In fact I haven't seen any news footage of whites rioting in the USA ever.

    You musta missed the '60s and '70s.
  • Aug 13, 2015, 03:34 PM
    paraclete
    Burden of proof smoothy by all means pull the welfare benefits for any person convicted of civil unrest or any crime but a scattergun approach isn't a recipe for anything but more unrest. People get upset about issues but civil rights issues are about treatment of minorities. Next you will be telling us you haven't seen any videos of police brutality.
  • Aug 13, 2015, 03:44 PM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    You musta missed the '60s and '70s.

    Actually I did, and for good reason... I came of age during the Jimmy Carter disaster. At the very END of the 70's. I was 9 in 1970....very few small kids if any really got what was going on in the 60's, during the 60's. And not many older people did in the rural area I grew up in even in the 70's.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    Burden of proof smoothy by all means pull the welfare benefits for any person convicted of civil unrest or any crime but a scattergun approach isn't a recipe for anything but more unrest. People get upset about issues but civil rights issues are about treatment of minorities. Next you will be telling us you haven't seen any videos of police brutality.

    Possibly... but when their gravy train is at risk of coming to a screeching halt based on actions of others in their same group. YOu would see a new found civic responsibility in weeding out the riff raff that currently covers for each other.
  • Aug 13, 2015, 03:51 PM
    paraclete
    Personally I think you are on a witch hunt or is that a which hunt. We know black communities are disadvantaged and there may be some disorder among them when one gets killed by police. What surprises me is more aren't killed by these white militant gun tottin vigilantes. Might give the lie to the idea that blacks are lawless?
  • Aug 13, 2015, 04:18 PM
    smoothy
    Crime statistics prove its not the white gun vigilantes committing the crimes... its the black's, followed by the Hispanics who commit the greatest percentages.

    Nobody FORCES them to do it...its the choice THEY make that puts them in the situation.

    Its not a crime to be poor...but it is when you decide to break the law... There are poor that have a solid moral compass that obey the law...then there are those that feel they are entitled to other peoples stuff, Who don't.
  • Aug 13, 2015, 04:34 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    Crime statistics prove its not the white gun vigilantes committing the crimes... its the black's, followed by the Hispanics who commit the greatest percentages.

    Nobody FORCES them to do it...its the choice THEY make that puts them in the situation.

    Its not a crime to be poor...but it is when you decide to break the law... There are poor that have a solid moral compass that obey the law...then there are those that feel they are entitled to other peoples stuff, Who don't.

    And we're back to parenting. Remember the video of that mother whomping her teen son over the head? And it takes a village.... What part of the village are any of us?
  • Aug 13, 2015, 04:42 PM
    paraclete
    Yes more whooming over the head needed as opposed to pulling a gun and using it. It brings us back to attitude and what attitude can you have when you can't see a future? No amount of whooming over the head changes the facts. These people behave the way they do because they have no future and so street life, small time dealing, etc, becomes attractive. A neighbourhood riot might be the most excitement these people have had and certainly an opportunity to make a point and as soon as they see a cop...
  • Aug 13, 2015, 05:45 PM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    Yes more whooming over the head needed as opposed to pulling a gun and using it. It brings us back to attitude and what attitude can you have when you can't see a future? No amount of whooming over the head changes the facts. These people behave the way they do because they have no future and so street life, small time dealing, etc, becomes attractive. A neighbourhood riot might be the most excitement these people have had and certainly an opportunity to make a point and as soon as they see a cop...

    Its not about not seeing a future... they listen to and idolize this Rap crap... look up to the criminal element and act like that to get "street cred" with their homies... many of whom choose a life of crime. So the key word here is peer pressure and personal accountability... the former it the only influence they care about and the latter is something that is devoid in most of the younger generations...And some of the nicest black people I know and respect (who are older generations)....are the first to say that very same thing.....So its not the right wing Whites that say it....a lot of the older black folks (meaning early 60'S and older mostly) who were raised to show respect to others and their property...and do whats right have been saying it far longer.
  • Aug 13, 2015, 05:50 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    Its not about not seeing a future... they listen to and idolize this Rap crap... look up to the criminal element and act like that to get "street cred" with their homies... many of whom choose a life of crime. So the key word here is peer pressure and personal accountability... the former it the only influence they care about and the latter is something that is devoid in most of the younger generations...

    You sound a bit like my grandfather. Unfortunately, it's not a passing teenage phase anymore.
  • Aug 13, 2015, 05:53 PM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    You sound a bit like my grandfather. Unfortunately, it's not a passing teenage phase anymore.

    Yet it doesn't change who is responsible... that remains themselves. Not everyone else. Nor does it mean the rest of us have to accept it.


    Actually last month a Handyman who was doing work at a neighbors....and is in his late 60's....and is black. Told me this very thing I just said, you should have heard his opinions about what the blacks were doing in Ferguson...he made ME sound liberal in my disdain. He's a nice guy...old school, older generation, we get along great..I've known him for about 2 years now...I wish he lived on my street instead of 20 miles away.
  • Aug 13, 2015, 06:38 PM
    paraclete
    Well smoothy it is a pity the experiment of Liberia failed, otherwise you could have shipped them all back. Thing is respect is something learned with age. I suggest you have no choice but bulldoze these troublesome neighbourhoods. It is a solution we have used in some areas of public housing, you could call it the move on solution, but then I expect we are too radical for you, even our left wing is far to the right of the way you do things. We even do things like have welfare payments carried out in a manner where it cannot be spent on booze, gambling, etc and kids don't go to school, no welfare. I don't know if it works but the older people are in favour of it.

    It appears to be a scientific fact that it takes twenty-five years to get a brain, until then we should find a way to keep them locked up, military service seems a solution
  • Aug 13, 2015, 06:44 PM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    Well smoothy it is a pity the experiment of Liberia failed, otherwise you could have shipped them all back. Thing is respect is something learned with age. I suggest you have no choice but bulldoze these troublesome neighbourhoods. It is a solution we have used in some areas of public housing, you could call it the move on solution, but then I expect we are too radical for you, even our left wing is far to the right of the way you do things. We even do things like have welfare payments carried out in a manner where it cannot be spent on booze, gambling, etc and kids don't go to school, no welfare. I don't know if it works but the older people are in favour of it.

    It appears to be a scientific fact that it takes twenty-five years to get a brain, until then we should find a way to keep them locked up, military service seems a solution

    I agree... mandatory military service would do them good. Make them learn respect... make them learn the planet doesn't revolve around their wants and needs. Make them think of others and the greater good... or their fellow troops will beat it into them. Since they clearly aren't being taught this at home.

    Would even give them a long term employment opportunity if they aren't total screwups.
  • Aug 13, 2015, 09:15 PM
    talaniman
    How about rebuilding a strong vibrant middle class with some decent paying jobs so the youths can actually aspire to something and thrive instead of just surviving with the crumbs of what's left over. Then you wouldn't have to keep blaming them for being rebellious and refusing to cooperate in something that clearly doesn't work for them.

    You can talk all you want about what they are doing in Ferguson (Or anywhere in the country), but it's crap until you listen to what's been done to them also. There are enough facts that cannot be ignored and it's obvious with all due respect to the older black guy, today's youth ain't going for it any more. Nor should they. You do well to listen, while you are hollering about someone else's flaws and what they should do about it.

    Glad you liked the old black guy, Smoothy, who was likely stroking your ego to keep his cash flow going because he knew only agreeing with your crap was the ONLY way to get along with you. He has probably dealt with many closed minded narrow thinkers in his time, and knew you would never listen to anything he had to REALLY say anyway.

    You may as well listen though because the demographics of power are changing and soon, very soon, you won't be able to abort, deport, shoot, incarcerate, or isolate, and subjugate your problems away, so quit hollering about yourself and what YOU want because other want things to. They intend on getting it and have been struggling for it a long time.

    When you listen you will learn that black lives do matter, and you will understand why they riot for it. Try this on for size, maybe you're screaming, and hollering, and name calling, and blaming, and using, and abusing your fellow man, has pissed him off.
  • Aug 13, 2015, 10:24 PM
    paraclete
    Cut it out Tal, the only thing that matters over there is money, without it you are screwed
  • Aug 14, 2015, 03:16 AM
    tomder55
    oh the irony. It is the progressive policies that stunt the growth of a vibrant 'middle class' .
    Quote:

    the 1980s, with a conservative, free-market Republican in the White House, were a boom time for black America.
    Indeed, Andrew Brimmer, the Harvard-trained black economist, the former Federal Reserve Board member, estimated that total black business receipts increased from $12.4 billion in 1982 to $18.1 billion in 1987, translating into an annual average growth rate of 7.9 percent (compared to 5 percent for all U.S. businesses.
    The success of the black entrepreneurial class during the Reagan era was rivaled only by the gains of the black middle class.
    In fact, black social scientist Bart Landry estimated that that upwardly mobile cohort grew by a third under Reagan's watch, from 3.6 million in 1980 to 4.8 million in 1988. His definition was based on employment in white-collar jobs as well as on income levels.
    All told, the middle class constituted more than 40 percent of black households by the end of Reagan's presidency, which was larger than the size of black working class, or the black poor.
    The impressive growth of the black middle class during the 1980s was attributable in no small part to the explosive growth of jobs under Reagan, which benefited blacks disproportionately.
    Indeed, between 1982 and 1988, total black employment increased by 2 million, a staggering sum. That meant that blacks gained 15 percent of the new jobs created during that span, while accounting for only 11 percent of the working-age population.
    Meanwhile, the black jobless rate was cut by almost half between 1982 and 1988. Over the same span, the black employment rate – the percentage of working-age persons holding jobs – increased to record levels, from 49 percent to 56 percent.
    The black executive ranks especially prospered under Reagan. The Equal Employment Opportunity Commission reported that the number of black managers and officers in corporations with 100 or more employees increased by 30 percent between 1980 and 1985.
    During the same period, the number of black professionals increased by an astounding 63 percent.
    The burgeoning of the black professional, managerial and executive ranks during the 1980s coincided with a steady growth of the black student population at the nation's colleges and universities in the 1980s.
    Even though the number of college-aged blacks decreased during much of the decade, black college enrollment increased by 100,000 between 1980 and 1987, according to the Census Bureau.
    Meanwhile, the 1980s saw an improvement in the black high school graduation rate, as the proportion of blacks 18 to 24 years old earning high school diplomas increased from 69.7 percent in 1980 to 76 percent by 1987.
    On balance, then, the majority of black Americans made considerable progress in the 1980s.
    More of us stayed in high school, graduated and went on to college. More of us were working than ever before, in better jobs and for higher wages. The black middle class burgeoned to unprecedented size, emerging as the dominant income group in black America. And black business flourished, creating wealth in the black community.
    The good that Reagan did for black America | The San Diego Union-Tribune
  • Aug 14, 2015, 03:45 AM
    excon
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    mandatory military service would do them good. Make them learn respect... make them learn the planet doesn't revolve around their wants and needs. Make them think of others and the greater good... or their fellow troops will beat it into them. Since they clearly aren't being taught this at home.

    Hello smoothy:

    I'm sitting here thinking of the worst kind of things to say to you, but everything I think of ISN'T bad enough.. You are a despicable human being. You are EVERYTHING that's wrong with our society today.

    excon
  • Aug 14, 2015, 05:19 AM
    talaniman
    Morning Tom, I was there in the 80's, and King Reagan grew the middle class with FLEXIBLE monetary policy through raising and lowering TAXES as needed, and some pretty liberal deficit spending AND NO WARS (Even in the ME, after Lebanon remember, and the Iran/Iraq conflicts). It was also the start of businesses selling off to foreign labor and closing older factories for the big move south, AND brought cheap labor into the service markets with AMNESTY for many Mexican immigrants.

    That was when bi partisan policy making was at it's best, before pappy George screwed up by making promises that deviated from what Reagan had established (Fiscal flexibility) and Pierrot spilled the beans about the big money extraction that was coming that stopped people from getting their foot in the door (opportunities). In a nutshell, people had a few bucks to spend and us 70's boomers could expand as part of a growing service economy (The Start of the New World Order). We have a thread about it in Current Events from back in the day.

    So forget that revisionist propaganda, because there were many other factors going on that allowed King Reagan and the conservatives to look better than they were. At least Reagan ALLOWED enough trickle to keep the masses fairly docile, a concept modern repubs have forgotten about in their zeal for MO' MONEY, power, and influence.

    So don't give me this how conservative help the Blacks the most when they were helping themselves FIRST.
  • Aug 14, 2015, 05:52 AM
    paraclete
    Well Tal how do you like your new world order now, up to your ears in debt, or perhaps I should ask Tom that question. Take a lesson from Greece boys both the right wing and the left wing lesson. You cannot ignore 50% of your population otherwise they will punish you at the polls and elect a radical who will be worse than your worst nightmare. It is no good saying the middle class prospers with lower taxes, you cannot prosper without income and those jobs you exported aren't coming back. You have lost the opportunity to pick a fight with Iran so you will have to wait for the next one
  • Aug 14, 2015, 06:36 AM
    talaniman
    The world revolves around a dollar, and we should emulate the Greeks? Surely you jest. Our debt is still easily manageable even if the right wing hollers otherwise. Save your fiscal advice for the clueless Chinese, and the CLUMSY Iranians.

    Ignore Netty and his tough talk, because people with big sticks and KNOW HOW to use them don't have to holler. Doesn't IRAN know that nuking Israel is suicide? ure they do. Netty should be laughing at them and their provocative threats.

    As for the NWO Clete, do the math, and plot the trend lines on a graph. Only then can you grasp what Tom and the wingers are REALLY hollering about. The fat cats will be put on a severe diet from all those years of gorging on American PIE.
  • Aug 14, 2015, 06:40 AM
    tomder55
    What tal doesn't mention is that the so called 'bi partisan policy' meant that needed cuts in the budget have not been made. Here's another dirty secret ; WE have been in a deficit spending budget since 1940 with only brief periods of surplus. The most notable time was when the Gingrich controlled Congress compelled Bubba to go along with their budget . But even those years were helped by unusual high tax receipts due to the dot com boom. There were also some surplus years while Harry Truman was b*tching about a 'do nothing ' Republican Congress ;and some surplus years at the end of Ike's Presidency .

    Clete think about it . We claim there are no jobs for Blacks and other minorities and yet we allow a flood of illegals to cross our border every day . Don't you see the disconnect there ? Where are the jobs ? Either they are there and the illegals are taking them because Blacks don't want them OR the illegals are crossing the border to tap into our very generous social welfare system . Neither scenario is acceptable .
  • Aug 14, 2015, 07:23 AM
    talaniman
    Clinton closed a lot of military bases, after he raised taxes when he got elected AFTER Pappy (read my lips) Bush was throw out. Bubbles are now called revenue streams in case you forgot.

    http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/A...0Military.html

    (Yes Newt went along with it basically)

    Two wars and a huge ten year tax cut is what the first APPOINTED president in history brought us, thanks to his brother cheating on the ballots. Blame that on the black people too! You wingers ALWAYS do!
  • Aug 14, 2015, 07:24 AM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    How about rebuilding a strong vibrant middle class with some decent paying jobs so the youths can actually aspire to something and thrive instead of just surviving with the crumbs of what's left over. Then you wouldn't have to keep blaming them for being rebellious and refusing to cooperate in something that clearly doesn't work for them.

    You can talk all you want about what they are doing in Ferguson (Or anywhere in the country), but it's crap until you listen to what's been done to them also. There are enough facts that cannot be ignored and it's obvious with all due respect to the older black guy, today's youth ain't going for it any more. Nor should they. You do well to listen, while you are hollering about someone else's flaws and what they should do about it.

    Glad you liked the old black guy, Smoothy, who was likely stroking your ego to keep his cash flow going because he knew only agreeing with your crap was the ONLY way to get along with you. He has probably dealt with many closed minded narrow thinkers in his time, and knew you would never listen to anything he had to REALLY say anyway.

    You may as well listen though because the demographics of power are changing and soon, very soon, you won't be able to abort, deport, shoot, incarcerate, or isolate, and subjugate your problems away, so quit hollering about yourself and what YOU want because other want things to. They intend on getting it and have been struggling for it a long time.

    When you listen you will learn that black lives do matter, and you will understand why they riot for it. Try this on for size, maybe you're screaming, and hollering, and name calling, and blaming, and using, and abusing your fellow man, has pissed him off.

    Obama and the Democrat party for even longer has worked hard to destroy the Middle class... not build it up. They have done this by ever increasing taxes while exempting the lower class from paying anything and in fact handing them extra money back far in excess of what they initially might have paid.

    Why work harder to get ahead when you bump into a higher tax bracket and end up with even less money than you were making before?

    OH, and that old black guy.....Hasn't gotten a dime from me...and in fact has saved my neighbors a significant amount....talking them OUT of a lot of work, and could have charged a lot more for what he has done. Yeah there ARE a lot of people who talk the talk to get their hand in your wallet....I know them when I see them.....this guy is one of the rare honest people out there. I know a sales pitch when I hear it...and he has never pitched one my way.

    Funny how Democrats can't seem to believe all blacks aren't Democrat....or think they are entitled to a free ride....or that some believe in personal accountability.

    Plus he doesn't have to come knocking on my door when he is done for the day to talk instead of heading home to beat the traffic like most wold.....if as you suggest....his reasons are other than I said. He knows I do all my own work because I know how to do it....and don't hire people to do it. Unlike most of my other neighbors. And most of our conversations weren't political in nature....and his comments were volunteered. Not a follow-up response to other comments earlier.
  • Aug 14, 2015, 07:50 AM
    J_9
    Let's keep in mind here that 99% of the black population (at least the ones I know personally) are VERY hard workers and excel at whatever they do. We are talking a mere minority of the population who are wreaking the havoc and giving a bad name to the black population as a whole.

    I know several who work 2 full time jobs, can run circles around their Caucasian counterparts and do an all around better job in the long run.

    I have the utmost respect of my colleagues of color who have worked their way out of the system to become upstanding members of society. Most of these colleagues are disgusted with the stigma that is being attached to the black population due to the actions of the minority of their culture. They are frustrated with the sense of entitlement some people express. This includes black and white alike.

    Go ahead, twist my words, put words in my mouth. You would understand if you knew me personally.

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  • Aug 14, 2015, 08:10 AM
    excon
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    Originally Posted by J_9 View Post
    Go ahead, twist my words, put words in my mouth. You would understand if you knew me personally.

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    Hello again, J:

    That didn't sound racist at all..

    But, if there's any twisting of words going on here, it's YOU who's doing it.. If you think what you said above is the same thing you said the other day, you're DREAMING, girl..

    excon
  • Aug 14, 2015, 08:35 AM
    J_9
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    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, J:

    That didn't sound racist at all..

    But, if there's any twisting of words going on here, it's YOU who's doing it.. If you think what you said above is the same thing you said the other day, you're DREAMING, girl..

    excon

    Apparently you don't know me as well as you think you do.
  • Aug 14, 2015, 08:47 AM
    talaniman
    @J

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    Go listen to the media, form your opinions. When you live it on a daily basis, come back and we'll discuss.
    I tried but you only had eyes for Ex, he ain't cuter than me! I have lived it to on a daily basis. Racism is alive and well and black youth is demanding you listen. No they aren't the 1% you claim are the problem, they are the mass that lives it daily. Just like you. If you are frustrated then you should have empathy for their frustration too.

    I'm sure the frustrated mother you quoted didn't want to be at the hospital at 2 in the morning either, and is it possible she had no one to watch the child at home?

    No worries, I am well aware of your long hard hours on your feet, and take that as due consideration. You do sound better today.
  • Aug 14, 2015, 08:49 AM
    tomder55
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    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Clinton closed a lot of military bases, after he raised taxes when he got elected AFTER Pappy (read my lips) Bush was throw out. Bubbles are now called revenue streams in case you forgot.

    http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/A...0Military.html

    (Yes Newt went along with it basically)

    Two wars and a huge ten year tax cut is what the first APPOINTED president in history brought us, thanks to his brother cheating on the ballots. Blame that on the black people too! You wingers ALWAYS do!

    Geeze when are you going to give up that fiction ?


    Don't worry though ;your hero the Goracle is thinking of throwing his hat in the ring. Bwaaaahaaaaaahaaaaahaaa !!! All we need now is for JFKerry to announce too !!!

    Vote Analysis: Bush Wins, Again - ABC News

    In fact, Bush's 537-vote margin of victory would have increased to 1,665 under the ballot-counting standards Gore's supporters had advocated, according to a review conducted by The Miami Herald, its parent company Knight Ridder, and USA Today.

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