How about just arresting those doing wrong. Much easier that way. Things are much quieter now.
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How about just arresting those doing wrong. Much easier that way. Things are much quieter now.
Not exactly proactive policing Tal, but then we wouldn't want to violate anyone's rights, would we? No, the solution of shooting down the wrong doers rather than having them set free by the courts seems to work. A no tolerance policy usually gets results
The situation didn't call for proactive, just being effective, which they were. What were they supposed to arrest everybody? Or would you prefer gunning them down?
They were proactive enough. No tolerance for what?
Civil disorder Tal, vigilante justice, but proactive is called for with cop killers in the communityQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
NoNo cops got killed Clete, except in NY, and he's dead!
That's three down Tal and counting, just because they didn't succeed doesn't mean they weren't cop killers
yesterday tens of thousands of cops attended the funeral. When Mayor de Blasio (aka -de Commie-o) got up to talk. They turned their back on him in symbolic protest . Hizzoner d*ckhead was 2 hrs late for the memorial;showing up just before it concluded .
Yep that's proactive
Comrade BeBlasio on being booed at the NYPD graduation ceremony, nanny Boomberg was booed once, too.
yes Bloomy was booed after he talked of layoffs . Sandanista Mayor De Blasio enflamed protesters with his rhetoric.
Yup, I don't think they took too kindly to it.
Once again the US is being tried in the court of public opinion, this time because they shunned the international expressions of solidarity over Charlie Hembro
'A storm in a D.C. teacup' - CNN.com
There is a big question here, is this callous disregard because it didn't happen here or a media beatup over a notable absence. I have to say our PM didn't go either and I don't know what that says. When you see what happened in France it is obvious it is the action of a small group who may or may not have allegiences to a major terror organisation. The terrorists have achieved their objective, France is in lockdown but the focus is on what Obama didn't do as if it has any bearing on the outcome. How about getting the focus on the victims, there are reports that the French jewish population is contemplating migrating. They can migrate here, it is preferable to muslim migration
Je Suis Charlie
The emperor had football games to watch. VP Biden ;well it's not safe to let him outside. JF Kerry would've been a natural choice ;especially since he's French in spirit anyway. The one who speaks of courage but rarely shows it ;Eric Holder was there in Paris and decided to bug out before the march.
Remember when all the endorsements for the emperor in 2008 noted that he was a citizen of the world and he would repair the US relations that the Bushies destroyed ? Well his foreign policies have been one failure after another . His State dept is a joke .He has made relations with allies worse and too often show common cause with our enemies (especially with Iran and the Ikhwan) .
Let's see if he travels to Moscow to celebrate the 70th anniversary of Russia's 'Victory Day' . He's invited ,but I suspect he'll decline . Too bad . That could be an ice breaking occasion .
yes anti-semitism has always been an issue in egalitarian France. But the biggest problem is the migration of Muslims into the country . The Europeans think they can have workers come in and not assimilate without consequences. George Friedman has a good essay on this issue .Quote:
there are reports that the French jewish population is contemplating migrating
A War Between Two Worlds | Stratfor
Of course the US is falling into the same trap. We used to say about immigration is that we have a melting pot . Now we call our society a 'mosaic' .You see it with all the hyphenization of identity . We aren't Americans . We are Italian-Americans ,Irish-Americans ,African-Americans etc.
However ,the big weakness of that progressive drivel is that 'tribal' differences are emphasized, not minimized in the 'beautiful mosaic 'concept . Another name for it is 'Balkanization' .
Obviously Tom, all tribes are not equal, especially in America. That's not what's written in the constitution either.
You are right Tal all the tribes are not equal and certainly not in the place that talks of equality but this has been ever so, it has enabled one group to enslave another and one group to dominate another, there are many examples of this and the wars we have today are in fact this principle in human behaviour playing out. However the tribal boundries have changed, they are less associated with race and far more associated with ideology and religion and it is niaive to suggest that religion is not one of the key factors or that the devil made them do it
And we see the ultimate tribal system at play when Tom asks will Obama travel to Moscow? If he were a statesman he would, if he is just a tribal elder he will not.
tal ,you completely missed the point about my use of the word 'tribal ' . So strike that and say .....However ,the big weakness of that progressive drivel is that 'ethnic ' differences are emphasized, not minimized in the 'beautiful mosaic 'concept .
Let's agree multiculturalism doesn't work, it's a marvellous idea that people don't have to change and adapt but unrealistic, when you come to a country there is an ethos, there is a language, there are laws and why should this change for a minority who choose to come and leave their homeland. We have seen is that what happens over time is the original inhabitants fade away in the face of large scale migration but one culture pervades. Multiculturalism is born out of the idea that displaced persons need a home but that's fine as far as it goes. There are few societies that are prepared to take large numbers of displaced persons
Fear hate and resentment is what emphasizes the differences, and its not at all unusual for integration to take years if not generations. That's pretty much the history of man as migration and immigration goes on constantly, and always will. Lets face it, minority immigrants have always been pressured to assimilate, not always an easy thing to do or an easy thing to forget your own culture. Even harder when laws are made to erase the cultural backgrounds of incoming immigrants.
I think the notion that one has to abandon their culture to be a part of the national culture is where the drivel starts, because if you embrace the notion that multiculturalism cannot work, then you lose the ability to rise to the challenge of making it work, and we retreat to the tribal boundaries of years long gone and accept that dictators and conquerors set the rules.
I submit the US as an example that it can work, albeit not without conflict and struggle, very similar to the current French model where fundamentalist have voiced their displeasure at any compromise except that of the new immigrant, be they jew, or muslim at this point. It's that zeal to preserve the cultural purity that stand in the way of tribal cooperation and effective progress. Its been shown in human history though that it can be overcome in time, and many ancient battles and disputes can be dealt with... until the NEXT conflict.
Its an inevitable process as the modern world gets more modern and shrinks the time and distance between cultures. For sure its never pretty, or smooth, but I don't see it stopping, or slowing down any time soon. Though haters and beetchers will and have tried their best.
nah. In the past it was one generation tops .
That's because the US believed in assimilation . The melting pot meant that the US adopted some of the culture of the immigrant ;and the immigrant became culturally American. Now it is more difficult because we are being taught to not have pride in our national identity and culture. We are a hyphenated country .Quote:
I submit the US as an example that it can work, albeit not without conflict and struggle
So what? You find something wrong in being both or many? There is a growing trend as the "races" mix for naturally multicultural citizens. Why can't they celebrate the differences instead of making them an object of derision?
I find it a thing of national pride that we can be so diverse. And not just European, but globally diverse.
diversity is fine . But if there isn't one defining national culture then you risk Balkanization . I am concerned that is where this country is headed . The United States is much more than 'a common border' .That alone does not define a nation. We will no longer be Americans any more than Yugoslavians are now Yugoslavians . I remind you that we got to witness the disintigration of Yugoslavia and it was not pretty . I'll say it again . The quickest way to destroy America is to deconstruct it's common culture and identity ,and a common law. The French have done everything wrong by giving incentive to Muslim immigrants to not only resist all assimilation, but to establish a separate country within a country. The emperor repeats it here by assuring illegal immigrants that there will be no penalty for their violations of our laws.
Tom is right, no one asked the immigrant to forget where they came from but within our borders they must submit to our laws and meet the norms of our society not duplicate the place where they came from otherwise one day you will have an explosion. It is apparent that even if populations have been there for generations if there is no assimulation eventually they become isolated
Obama is hardly the first president to offer amnesty for immigrants who didn't follow the immigration law to the letter. Don't most people become immigrant because of bad situations in their homeland? At least so far presidents have recognized this and made allowance without tearing families apart and Mr. Obama is no different. A piece of paper doesn't change your humanity, nor should you be penalized for your fear for your life and liberty, or just wanting a chance. To not recognize this is inhumane in of itself.
Hell most citizens in America don't exactly practice being a citizen to perfection, but you should get over the notion that your humanity is better than another, and stop trying to dictate what "they" should do and what "they" deserve. That's a good one Tom, comparing the US to Yugoslavia.
Just so you know Clete, many people choose to isolate themselves from the rest of us and live the way they so choose. Nothing wrong with that at all.
You know Tal isolation is sometimes an idea with merit now if we could just get some people to isolate themselves...
No telling what people will do when pushed by those who take moral authority a bit too far. They may want to isolate YOU, or worse.
Hmm, we understand isolation Tal but sometimes we would like a little more of it, as to moral authority, such a term is relative to the culture so it seems. I doubt you would submit to the moral authority of the immans and nor would I, a bridge too far perhaps, but nor would I submit to the moral authority of a secular authority with no morals where the end justifies the means. I think we have lost the ability to discern between the two
Breaking News
DOJ blasts Ferguson police in 'searing' report | www.ajc.com
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WASHINGTON — The Department of Justice's report on the Ferguson Police Department was released Wednesday, and it turns out to be even more damning than the early leaks suggested. The report describes everything from harassment to excessive use of force to the unfair targeting of African-Americans just to help balance the city's budget.
yeah the DOJ was not happy that they couldn't pin a charge on officer Wilson . So as a parting shot they' indicted 'the whole force. Holder is a pathetic individual . The Dems are right ....... The Repubics should do everything necessary to expedite the end of Holder's sorry tenure and to install Loretta Lynch . She can't possibly be worse . All this report does is to open the scab in the hope to incite more rioting . You would think Holder and Sharpton had already done enough damage.
No Tom racists can never do enough damage but then being in defense of people of colour cannot be racist can it, people of colour are never racist. One day someone will decide there are only one type of people in this world and then we will be able to say a criminal is a criminal
The greatest lie of the 20th Century.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
That's what I was pointing out, doesn't excuse other racist acts in the twentieth century but we have to get past all that and realise people are people.
Brown was a petty criminal and his acts were those of a criminal, not some down trodden home boy being brutalised by the police. The acts of those who called for the police station to be burnt down were racist. Now maybe the community should have had more sensitive policing but that is being wise after the event and may not have changed the outcome.
The thing is there are disadvantaged communities all over and they are a breeding ground for crime and this has to be recognised. Most kids get exposed to petty crime and they have the opportunity to decide whether they go along or not. Brown made his decision
I was agreeing with you, but without the sarcasm. You did the sarcasm fine all by yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
If you accept that minorities are racists, then you have to accept the majority are racists also. But which one can actually affect the lives of the other adversely because of that racism? One would think that the minorities react to the majority with hate because the majority hates them, and has the power to deny them the basic expressions of freedoms that the majority enjoys.
I mean just the fact the majority can still to this day impose its will on minorities and subject them to policies and practices under the guise of law, that adversely affects their freedom to exercise their rights should give you pause to examine those policies and practices.
It's like the big bad wolf selling the pigs straw for their house so he can always blow it down at his leisure, while making sure they cannot afford bricks to build a better house. Such policies and practices are pervasive throughout the country, and caught on tape, and documented, and its deeper than just a small town in Missouri.
So lets not equate the minority expressing their displeasure of the majorities mistreatment of them, as the same racism the majority has imposed on the minorities. They are NOT the same at all as a minority can only holler, but the majority can not only holler, they can justify denying the minority the right to practice his freedom, and has making when he does, ILLEGAL.
By definition a minority cannot be a racist,
Racism - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
So who has power over who? A minority has no power to affect the lives of the majority, so how can the minority be a racist? Not liking the majorities treatment of the minority doesn't equate to racism.
What a sterling example of the collectivist mindset. Majorities and minorities don't do anything. Individuals hate. Individuals treat others poorly. Otherwise Bill Clinton and David Duke are equivalent, both being southern white boys. Likewise Sheila Jackson Lee and Condoleezza Rice.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
you can't be serious . The charge that the Justice Dept leveled against the Ferguson police was that they used traffic stops to enhance the township revenues. That happens in every town in America....witness the stink that the Sandanista Mayor of NYC made when the cops slowed down. Only Holder's Justice Dept could turn that into bias policy born of racism . They see racism where none exists.Quote:
just the fact the majority can still to this day impose its will on minorities and subject them to policies and practices under the guise of law, that adversely affects their freedom to exercise their rights should give you pause to examine those policies and practices.
Or maybe you cannot see racism where it does exist. You wouldn't be alone.
That is absolute nonsense, do you live in a bubble? Look beyond your borders if you are unable to see racism at home. ISIS, for example; a minority and racist as well as many other things. The fact is Tal minorities are just as racist as majorities they are just less able to enforce their racism, racism is an attitude of mind. Sometimes it comes out of being over exposed to a particular group and their overt racismQuote:
By definition a minority cannot be a racist,
How many minorities insist upon marriage within their group, this is racism. How many minorities turn their neighbourhoods into ghettos slowly forcing others out, where only their kind are welcome, this is racism in action
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