Really?. exactly what things are they funding with their billions of dollars exactly?Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
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Really?. exactly what things are they funding with their billions of dollars exactly?Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
WHy shoud I prove anything... you haven't proved your claims at all via a source that's not so obviously biased.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
this debate is going in circles, restating the same "facts" doesn't make them true or pertinent. Bundy has the course of legal action open to him, but the government has the ability to change the rules. A lease is a right to use, it does not confer permanent use and usually you cannot be compensated for leasehold improvements. If you break the terms of a lease by failing to pay the lease fee, this terminates the lease. Surely 20 years of stuffing about is enough latitude
WHen you've been doing it openly for well over 20+ years... and nobody says or does anything... that becomes a prescriptive rights issue. And he stands a really good chance of winning on that basis.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
http://www.dcclothesline.com/2014/04...defense-court/
Good Luck with that, a quick piece of retrospective legislation will extinguish his "rights", he is afterall one person,
Most other litigants would have filed a lien on the property, which would get satisfied when the property is sold or inherited.. Instead the government sent in the jackboots. The fact is that the Bundy family purchased grazing and surface water rights to the land in perpetuity in the 1880s, long before BLM existed. It was Bundy and the other ranchers who installed wells and irrigation , fencing, cattle guards,,built access roads etc. ,and maintained and worked the land.
Prescriptive easements are common in this country . My driveway goes through my neighbor's property .I can't claim the property as my own ,but he can't prevent me from driving on it .
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Originally Posted by smoothy
You should because the quote provided is one of the worst examples of quote mining seen here for a long time.
The source is irrelevant in this case because it contains the quote in context-- as opposed to the mined quote.
I think not . The fact that domestic agencies have purchased unprecedented amts of assault weapons and ammo....and the fact that we've documented a number of recent cases where these weapons have been deployed against civilians ,leads one to believe that the intent of that quote has more to do with our interpretation.
You've proven neither. I doubt your interpretation is better that the original speaker's actual words. Ideology will make you see something that isn't there to further your own beliefs.
That's correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Tom's response has nothing to do with quote mining. It changes nothing in relation to the two quotes provided. In fact, "our interpretation" is a pretty good definition of quote mining.
Harry Reids slide into senility continues at a rapid place.
Harry Reid Calls Cliven Bundy Supporters “Domestic Terrorists” |
He'll be drooling and wearing diapers soon if he's not already.
And more proof the Federal Government and the Dept of injustice and the BLM or out of control...
http://www.dcclothesline.com/2014/04...aries-hit-men/
Paid hitmen (murderers for hire) who aren't even law enforcement people.
what is out of content is the 2 sentences in relation to the rest of the emperor's address about volunteerism . Take off your blinders. What do those sentences mean in relation to expanding community service opportunities for Americans ? Nothing ...it was an off teleprompter moment when his true thoughts were revealed.
(here is the prepared text of the speech . Those lines were added in a candid moment revealing his real intent . Text of Obama's speech : DNC 2008 : The Rocky Mountain News )
Typical liberal... they rant away... but refuse to offer any real proof on their own ( and when they do its from a ultra left wing source, usually funded by Soros)... but expect everyone else to do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuttyd
What part of the ad hominiem fallacy are you having problems with understanding smoothy? The source is irrelevant to the truth or falsity of a claim. The test comes by way of analysis of what is being said.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Of course it's out of context.It's not for you or "our interpretation" to decide. You cannot sum up a speech of this size with 2 lines. It's the height of ridiculousness.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
The relevant 5 or 6 paragraphs are there for everyone to see. Post this, and then provide your interpretations. That's the standard procedure when it comes to academia and quality journalism.
Now that I have read the relevant sections I have an interpretation. I don't need you to tell me how I should be interpreting a speech.
Obama Sends Hundreds of Armed Feds to Nevada Wouldnt Send 1 Soldier to Defend Benghazi Why?
http://www.dcclothesline.com/2014/04/17/obama-sends-hundreds-armed-feds-nevada-wouldnt-send-1-soldier-defend-benghazi/
This speaks volumes about the post smoking cocain snorting tyrant ocupying the white house...
Reall6y... THe source has EVERYTHING to do about the validity of a claim... case in point... the so-called VIDEO... nobody ever saw... being blamed for Benghazi...Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuttyd
Source was the white house... claim was completely false and fabricated, and proven to be so... yet was still backed up and supported by other left wing hacks who have no regard for facts... they just want to push a falicy on the public..,. something that's been a daily occurrence the last 6 years under Obama on essentially everything, and everyone he has appointed to any position.
ANYTHING connected to scum like Soros and his money is suspect....and in fact needs to be assumed as false unless it can be proven true based on the extensive history of lies and misinformation he and his kind are responsible for.
Actually that website you seem to love speaks volumes about your lack of need for facts to believe a story, as long as it fits your agenda. The author is "active white supremacist and secessionist sympathizer" which does indeed fit your agenda.Quote:
This speaks volumes
Really.. Obama is a far bigger racist... and so is Eric Holder... and it's a matter of public record... yet you believe EVERYTHING they tell anyone... even when proven to be completely factually incorrect. Which is always.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
6 years of Obama has proven to the thinking population that absolutely nothing that comes from the WHite house is to be believed.
I can't think of a case where they were caught being honest and accurate about anything.
And unlike you who gets EVERYTHING from a biased press.....I wade around in this cesspool they call Washington every day.....what we hear around here is way different than what gets on the news most times.
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Originally Posted by smoothy
Smoothy, what has this got to do with anything I have said?
And you are an admitted active socialist and atheist... what makes you think anyone should take your word for anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Everything... read it again.. and read what you asked... it should be clear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuttyd
Because it is irrelevant to the truth or falsity of what he says. The truth or falsity of his claims are require a separate analysis. You seem to have trouble grasping this.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Don't take my word for it. Look it up under, "Ad hominem"
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Originally Posted by smoothy
I did. I didn't ask any question or make any statements in relation to Benghazi.
I don't know anything about Benghazi.
Really... so... left wingers can spew out any claim they want, back it with fabricated sources... and its beyond reproach? That's what you are saying? Obama the Messiah says so....and questioning it is blasphemy?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuttyd
Think a bit... I know you are smart enough to grasp the concept of an example.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuttyd
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Originally Posted by smoothy
Firstly, I am not a liberal and I am not a left winger, and I don't particularly like Obama.
Secondly, I didn't say that any statement that is made by anyone is beyond reproach. A person's character has nothing to do with the truth or falsity of what they say.
Here it is
www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
Tom, I have read the relevant quotes and the embedded contexts.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
I think you may be correct.
No offense, but I prefer to make judgements on my own based on all the available information.
You took that out of context... it wasn't calling you a left winger... it was pointed at left wingers in general, since they tend to think their propaganda is beyond reproach... and actual facts... unless accepted in their propaganda, or posted from one of their biased sources (many funded by Soros) aren't acceptable as an argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuttyd
I.E. If Obama says it....its like Moses himself came off the mountain saying it to that crowd.
I didn't care much for him when he got elected the first time....that has grown to outright contempt and hatred for the human scum in the six years of race baiting and corruption that has followed.
Highlight the sentences of his true intent from 6 years ago please. Just trying to draw a relevance between a campaign speech and a self enriching squatter.
I think it was reification on my part, not taking it out of context. I'd have to look it up to get a definitive answer to that.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
self enriching squatter ? You see the problem here is that the Federal government has as much respect for the grazing and water rights in perpetuity provisions as they once had for the treaties with the Indian nations.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
No the problem is I cannot find those 2 sentences that were stuck into a campaign speech from 2008, my bad. Indulge my slow mind why don't you. You said take off the blinders, so help me see the true intent that has been ignored for 6 years in the in the confluence of subsequent events.
The squatter will get his under the process of the law despite the guns pointed at the law. About time after 20 years I say.
here is the text as the emperor spoke them
And here is the text provided to the press :Quote:
[As] president I will expand AmeriCorps to 250,000 slots [from 75,000] and make that increased service a vehicle to meet national goals, like providing health care and education, saving our planet and restoring our standing in the world, so that citizens see their effort connected to a common purpose.People of all ages, stations and skills will be asked to serve. Because when it comes to the challenges we face, the American people are not the problem they are the answer. So we are going to send more college graduates to teach and mentor our young people. Well call on Americans to join an energy corps, to conduct renewable energy and environmental clean-up projects in their neighborhoods all across the country.
We will enlist our veterans to find jobs and support for other vets, and to be there for our military families. And were going to grow our Foreign Service, open consulates that have been shuttered and double the size of the Peace Corps by 2011 to renew our diplomacy. We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that weve set.
Weve got to have a civilian national security force thats just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded. We need to use technology to connect people to service. Well expand USA Freedom Corps to create online networks where American can browse opportunities to volunteer. Youll be able to search by category, time commitment and skill sets. Youll be able to rate service opportunities, build service networks, and create your own service pages to track your hours and activities.
This will empower more Americans to craft their own service agenda and make their own change from the bottom up.
As you see ;those were off the cuff /off teleprompter comments about forming a civilian national security force just as powerful ,strong and funded as the military that exposed his true intent . Face facts ...why have many Federal bureaucracies purchased combat weaponry ? Why does the EPA need them ? Why does the BLM ? You know the answer of course... every emperor has their Praetorian Guard .Quote:
As President, I will expand AmeriCorps to 250,000 slots, and make that increased service a vehicle to meet national goals like providing health care and education, saving our planet and restoring our standing in the world, so that citizens see their efforts connected to a common purpose. People of all ages, stations, and skills will be asked to serve. Because when it comes to the challenges we face, the American people are not the problem - they are the answer.
We'll send more college graduates to teach and mentor our young people. We'll call on Americans to join an Energy Corps to conduct renewable energy and environmental cleanup projects in their neighborhoods. We'll enlist veterans to help other vets find jobs and support, and to be there for our military families. And we'll also grow our Foreign Service, open consulates that have been shuttered, and double the size of the Peace Corps by 2011 to renew our diplomacy.
And we'll use technology to connect people to service. We'll expand USA Freedom Corps to create an online network where Americans can browse opportunities to volunteer. You'll be able to search by category, time commitment, and skill sets; you'll be able to rate service opportunities, build service networks, and create your own service pages to track your hours and activities. This will empower more Americans to craft their own service agenda, and make their own change from the bottom up.
Yeah he couldn't mean trained and equipped first responders, be it as a buffer for terrorists, or mother nature.
Back to you and your spin.
We have the Fire department, Police and the Guard (National, Coast and Air) for that...
no spin . Tell me why did National Oceanic Atmopheric Administration (NOAH) seek to purchase 46,000 rounds of ammunition this year ?
I guess you forget the droughts, mudslides, tornadoes, and storms, fires, and floods. Mostly volunteers who have to eat, from all parts of the country.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
National Weather Service €œammunition€ solicitation triggers confusion - Capital Weather Gang - The Washington PostQuote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
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UPDATE, 1:07 p.m.: NOAA spokesman Scott Smullen emailed the following statement, clarifying the ammunition order is for fisheries law enforcement, as we suspected:Due to a clerical error in the federal business vendor process, a solicitation for ammunition and targets for the NOAA Fisheries Office of Law Enforcement mistakenly identified NOAA's National Weather Service as the requesting office. The error is being fixed and will soon appear correctly in the electronic federal bidding system. The ammunition is standard issue for many law enforcement agencies and it will be used by 63 NOAA enforcement agents in their twice annual target qualifications and training.
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