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electric vehicles that means more emissions, I sort of look behind the bullshlt you see, there is a disconnect in the thinking, cuase and effect doesn'ts eem to get through. want to reduce emissions from transport get rid of the trucks and put it on rail
bin sippin that loco juice ?Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
All we need to know about climate change is that the lowest temp recorded in history recently happened in Antarctica. ( - 135.8 F )Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
It's been unseasonably cold in Texas for the last week. Dallas shut down, single digits here.
How do we know anything about what's possible in Antarctica, we are impressed by that but I'm more interested in what it means elsewhere, Speech says it's been cold in Texas, by coincidence we had snow last week in December (summer), one of those Antarctic blasts, had a few this year. I suppose what climate change means is that the jet streams become more unstableQuote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
lol ,my state has been run by lefties for decades , Keep that in mind all you who think I'm the one promoting corporate interests . When corporate money talks ,it the progressives who hear it .Quote:
Now I see that Tom, the arch conservative voice in our midst, is advocating a return to beggering the poor for the benefit of the rich. Obviously his state, being the home of the biggest city and the financial hub, would benefit most. So much for yankee largesse, Tom, the last carpetbagger, rides again
Take as an example the lefty organization 'Center for American Progress ' . They are the ones who fund 'Think Progress' which provides Tal with his rants. I posted about it's founder and chairman John Podesta going to serve as a senior adviser to the emperor
They recently released their list of corporate donors for the 1st time.
Among their corporate donors are ,Walmart, Goldman Sachs, Google, Northrop Grumman, T-Mobile, Toyota, Visa, GE,Wells Fargo...... and many others .
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CAP says that individuals and foundations account for more than 90% of its funding, and corporations only around 6%. It would be interesting to see the individual and foundation donor list; my guess is that left-wing foundations, most of which spend money left by dead conservatives top their list (like Ford and Rockefeller foundations ) .
Large corporations are not supporters of free enterprise. They prefer to partner with government to suppress innovation and competition. Oddly enough ,that makes their position simpatico with the left ,which plays lip service to defending the poor from the rich ,but in reality sleep in the same bed with them.
You are so fanatically driven by partisan politics to ever understand that it happens irrespective of party affiliation.Quote:
When corporate money talks ,it the progressives who hear it .
I'm not so sure NK. I think Tom is starting to realise there isn't " a dimes worth of difference between the two parties".
Now that's not true tutt the difference is in name only, once they were known as the democat- republicans or was it the republican democrats. I guess it's better than being known as the Whigs
I realized that many years ago ;after I shook off the indoctrination from years of attending the New York Public education system ,and a subsequent liberal arts education in college. For the record ......I was a registered Democrat ....I've never been a registered Republican.
so Tom what does that mean, you couldn't cast a vote for Bush in the primaries and wouldn't cast a vote for Obama in the primaries? It isn't obvious where your allegiences lie dispite your rhetoric
By the way Jefferson isn't on the ticket, perhaps you could write him in
there is no Republican party of any consequence in NY .I lose nothing from not voting in primaries .Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
And I'm a Madison type of guy.
amazing, must be terrible to live in a place where your vote doesn't count. what happened to carry the fight to them no matter what?Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
You say that but your post are overwhelmingly in the republican camp. Actually the post are less pro-republican than anti-everything-liberal. You still don't realize that both sides do stupid things equally.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
of course thay are both inept
yes ;only pro-Republican when they promote conservative positions.Quote:
Actually the post are less pro-republican than anti-everything-liberal.
Why do conservative positions always have to impact the poor, old, and minorities in cruel adverse ways?
right back at ya . You just THINK you policies help .
Well that's no answer. I have asserted you value rich humans over poor ones, and your policies reflect that as you export this attitude to all parts of the world forcing your own rights and attitudes while denying the rights of others.
Conservative don't seem to value anything but there own interest, thus isolating yourselves in your own thinking. I know you are a capitalist, and agree with a broken business model. Yet you still protect that broken model, and keep redistributing the wealth to the supply side, and ignore the demand side. Balancing both would benefit the whole economy, and more people not just the few.
I don't agree with your premise or your conclusions and will not defend positions you incorrectly attribute to me ..
We value all people equally . Our values have a proven track record of lifting people out of poverty .Quote:
you value rich humans over poor ones, and your policies reflect that as you export this attitude to all parts of the world forcing your own rights and attitudes while denying the rights of others.
I don't even know what that means .Conservatives spend a lot of time defending our values against persistent attacks from the left and those who would 'fundamentally transform ' the country and replace traditional values with a relativist view.Quote:
Conservative don't seem to value anything but there own interest, thus isolating yourselves in your own thinking
Totally disagree that the capitalist model is broken . Where it falls short is where government tries to micromanage the economy .Quote:
I know you are a capitalist, and agree with a broken business model.
I don't believe in redistribution ...period . Conservatives believe in expanding the pie so everyone benefits.Quote:
Yet you still protect that broken model, and keep redistributing the wealth to the supply side, and ignore the demand side. Balancing both would benefit the whole economy, and more people not just the few.
Expanding the pie equally? Show me a policy or position that does that.
I did not say equally .. I said everyone benefits when a rising tide lifts all boats . There was a time when the Dems believed that too. Before the radical progressives took over the party . Now ;in the immortal words of Madame Mimi ,we are told to "Embrace the Suck " . That's all your side has to offer .
We have accepted we don't get everything we desire and can compromise to move the process forward. Eliminating poor peoples welfare, and not corporate welfare hasn't worked to raise any tides for all to benefit either.
Good for you that the Beltway dinosaur media is circling the wagons around their favorite big government Repubics and spinning the tale about how they courageously standing up to conservatives.
What happened over there, you got a budget deal done with BO out of town for Mandela's funeral. you should send him out of town more often
the selfie Emperor .. It aint done yet ...The Dems may try to add an extension of unemployment benefits in the Senate . The budget deal is a classic "Wimpy deal" .....Wimpy is a character in the Popeye cartoons who says repeatedly ...."I'll gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today" .Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete;3i599297
The deal the Repubics cut with the Dems allows for an immediate increase in budget spending over the sequester numbers in exchange for the promise of budget reductions in a decade . How many times do the Repubics have to be suckered by Dem lies ?
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hey Tom, it's a plan. Noone can do what they would like to do today. I think we have all come to realise the GFC did more damage than we would like to admit. What they are really saying is it will take generational change to get it done, the tried men of today's politics don't have the will to pull the kid off the teat and forceably wean it. Even in our wonderfull nation we see the deficit getting significantly bigger before it reduces, and don't forget we started from a zero base, how much worse must it be for a nation significantly in debt.
Now when are we going to get serious and stop this QE nonsense
Get your own Federal Reserve Clete, or go on the gold standard.
Australia shares set for cautious start ahead of Fed meeting | Reuters
Oh that's right you do.
you know my position on QE ... This is basically the same beggar thy neighbor mistake that happened in the 1930s . It made a very messy 1940s .
No doubt markets values will shrink as the easing gets more considerations. But that's no different than the shrinking that will occurs when municipalities shake the bond markets with bankruptcies.
Analysis: Little respite seen for U.S. municipal bonds in 2014 | Reuters
The translation is tax payers will be on the tab for liabilities, while assets will be sold cheap. A ten year jobs/infrastructure plan while the interest rates were very low would have avoided defaulting on debt payments while making a strong revenue stream for cities and states facing financial insolvency.Quote:
(Reuters) - The withering U.S. municipal bond market will shrink even more well into 2014, with interest rate and credit risks keeping both investors and borrowers away.
Barring an unforeseen turnaround in the final weeks of 2013, municipal bonds will post their first negative annual performance since the financial crisis, with investors fleeing municipal funds at a record pace and the market's overall size, now less than $3.7 trillion, contracting for a third straight year.
Analysts, portfolio managers and traders say concerns about the Federal Reserve scaling back its massive stimulus, and about the financial soundness of state and local governments, will keep hitting the market at least through the first half of next year. They expect debt issuance to fall further and investors to continue exiting bond funds....."In the growth years, 2000 to 2010, you had debt for new infrastructure growing significantly and you had refunding," said Chris Mier, managing director of analytical services at Loop Capital, which forecasts 2014 issuance only at $300 billion. "Now you're seeing ... new money volume for these infrastructure projects flat because of the political environment and the aversion for taking out new debt."
On the demand side, net outflows from muni funds - which have already hit a record $52.76 billion this year - could persist for three to six months, said Vanguard's Alwine.
Outflows during the third quarter alone, $32 billion, exceeded total net outflows of any entire year going back to 1992, according to Lipper, a Thomson Reuters company.
Many funds hold Puerto Rico bonds because they are exempt from state and federal taxes, and some outflows were driven by the territory's budget woes. Detroit's bankruptcy filing - the largest municipal one in U.S. history - also led to outflows.
Still, "maybe 80 percent was driven by fears of interest rates going higher," said BlackRock Managing Director Peter Hayes, who heads the firm's municipal bonds group.
It would also avoid the high cost of bankruptcy as banks will not be able to charge fees that are generally the projected interest and payments they would have received if those cash strapped municipalities had made, or could have made on time as contracted.
Tom when will you learn that what you do echos, you wouldn't think your QE would effect us but it effects our currency and therefore our market. Over recent years your fiscal policy has driven up the value of our curency making us uncompetative in certain markets. The result of this is seen in the demise of our car industry, the demise of our airline industry and the struggle of other export based industries such as education and tourism. I don't think your own industries directly benefited but it is a begger my neighbour and my ally policyQuote:
Get your own Federal Reserve Clete, or go on the gold standard.
Tom didn't make that statement, I did Clete, and if you squandered the time that QE allowed you to restructure you fiscal house using the low interest rates that's the fault of your own government policies. But don't feel bad, few did including my own government. Many banks and businesses did though, and profits were through the roof while governments cut to the bone, or tried to.
Yes we are interlinked and our politicians are as stupid as yours are. We just have more.
Well sorry Tal, but we do have our own federal reserve and sometimes it's policies are as inexplicable as yours. They have been forced to lower interest rates to hold down the value of the currency because the interest rates in your nation create an artificial market for capital and at the same time mean that currencies like ours become the home of speculators, probably your own hedge funds. Because of the
lower interest rates we are seeing once again an explosion in housing prices
As far as your politicians are concerned, it is a great pity that a revolution isn't in the offering. We succeeded in getting rid of some of ours who were causing great harm, but the electorate is fickle
classic beggar thy neighbor. The ant--free trade people wouldn't understand the impact of government policies.Quote:
They have been forced to lower interest rates to hold down the value of the currency because the interest rates in your nation create an artificial market for capital and at the same time mean that currencies like ours become the home of speculators, probably your own hedge funds. Because of the
lower interest rates we are seeing once again an explosion in housing prices
Then its you who needs a revolution, like we over here are revolting now. Not our fault your electorate is fickle. We do not set your prices or interest rates YOU do through your own fed. Obviously somebody over there is making money whether you agree to the policies or not. Maybe you should complain to your own free market values and your fickle electorate.Quote:
Posted by Clete,
Well sorry Tal, but we do have our own federal reserve and sometimes it's policies are as inexplicable as yours. They have been forced to lower interest rates to hold down the value of the currency because the interest rates in your nation create an artificial market for capital and at the same time mean that currencies like ours become the home of speculators, probably your own hedge funds. Because of the lower interest rates we are seeing once again an explosion in housing prices
As far as your politicians are concerned, it is a great pity that a revolution isn't in the offering. We succeeded in getting rid of some of ours who were causing great harm, but the electorate is fickle
I am not anti trade just FAIR trade, and reviewing the trade agreements from NAFTA to the newer TPP treaty I have doubts of fair. Cheap labor on steroids, that will costs us jobs at home. You have said the business model has been broken many times yourself. Yet you perpetrate the status quo. So now you are a libertarian or something?Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
??? You love putting words in my mouth . For the record ,the capitalist system is fine . What you fail to admit is that when you put regulations in place that ONLY large corporations can afford to comply with,then you create the climate where only large corporations thrive.Quote:
You have said the business model has been broken many times yourself. Yet you perpetrate the status quo. So now you are a libertarian or something?
Where the business model is "broken" per se is where government interferes .
Don't mistake NAFTA and the proposed Korea free trade agreement as true free trade .They are bastardized versions of free trade .
Tom at least you see they are begger my neighbour policies, but free trade isn't the answer, free trade has ruined your economy as much as ours. Employment on the home front should be protected and certain industries should be declared starategic industries which are protected. I see auto, aircraft, and ship building as strategic industries, I see instrument, steel and aluminium as strategic industries, I even see film making as strategic and if we are serious about stopping CO2 we should stop transporting heavy objects around the globe. Now this is radical thinking in this age. the time has come to junk these free trade policies that have advantaged people who might actually be our enemy, kick a few multinational corporations in the teeth and get real about what is important, and it isn't profit over people
Well for sure cheap labor and lax laws around the globe is what has destroyed our economy, and unfair distribution of the wealth. That's not free trade, that's the oligarchs exploiting the masses on a global level. That's not capitalism, its robbery. Its using money as a whip and chain.
Yes Tal but you will never get Tom and his ilk to agree, they think Adam Smith was a saint.
The whole system is built on greed, the need to accumulate, and you watch what happens when wealth is concentrated in the hands of the 1%, they squirrel it away for fear they might loose a little, they are actually afraid the middle class and the working class might actually get some money and not need their trickle down economics, trickle down what a myth
Trickle down is a real concept and the nick name of supply side economics that works very well for the top tier investor, but allows for huge disparities and undo influence of market forces on ordinary workers. Its no secret that the decline of unions and the shrinking of the middle class is directly related to stagnant wage growth by a large segment of the population, as their jobs are outsourced to less competitive countries with little or no regulatory structure.
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